Forum

I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

I been making stealth accounts for8 years no issue Using vmware and switch ip addresses.I use 24vc alot which is a awesome service,fresh ip addresses for days.However I make alot of stealth accounts with vmware.But for the last two months been having issues.I think amazon has a way of reading through vmware to see information your host computer holds.I can do up too 4 accounts max without any issues using a freshly installed Os ,vmware and the ip change.Around account 5 My accounts get instant blocks non stop at 5 hours after the creation.Until I refresh or reinstall my computers Os,then I can make accounts again.They are only doing this for the initial creation of the account.I do use windows 7 on vmware.Am I missing a special setting on vmware that stops them from doing this.I know they are seeing something.I think most forum members wont have this isssue because i make a lot more accounts then most people.But for the people who make a lot of accounts are you dealing with this?

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

Here is the problem, your assuming that Amazon can see beyond your VMWare...Honestly, I don't see how they would be able to see past your VMWare at all. Now, are you using the same exact OS with the same exact Settings for all the accounts you make? also, maybe it could be the CC your using?

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

I understand that ,but the thing is once i reset computer that is hosting the vmware .WHole system clean ,I start making accounts again.Quite frankly I don not want to have to reset my computer every few accounts i create.As far as the cc goes ,when I switched to the vps system over vmware they worked fine using the same cc's.But yes I am using the same exact os and settings,i dont get how that wouldnt effect me even after I factory resett the computer

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

Never had an issue with vmware. Are you doing full clones on each new installation?

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

They see your VMware just like a regular computer, they have no ide that it is a VMware. So it should be something else, that links your accounts together - same screenresolution, same system fonts, same browser version. Also they may link you by same images / texts / methods of listing items / VCCs used etc.

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

I agree with the others. I don't sell on AZ but I'm very familiar with VMs. You must be making some type of configuration error.

What type of network settings are you setting your VMs up with? (bridged, host-only, NAT). Bridged is ideal for a VM stealth setup, while NAT will potentially cause links all day.

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

NAT gives 192.168.xxx IP to the machine, which may leak out via WebRTC. Bridged gives the same IP as the Host has. So yes, bridged is better.

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

You've got that reversed. "Bridged" gives the VM direct (virtual) access to the physical network, meaning the VM would be issued a new local IP by DHCP and not have the same IP as the host. With NAT all of the VM's traffic would be routed through the host PC before being sent to the network, meaning any NAT VM's would share the host PCs local IP.

Bridged is still ideal for stealth though ;)

Source:
http://s21.postimg.org/9htcsz79j/ssssss.png

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

in my experience amazon are able to detect a computer by unique settings , for this reason I think it is essential to use virtual machines with different operating systems , different browsers and change various settings

when you clone machines then you basically do the same thing as creating an additional user on the same computer as all those machines are identical which is not a problem as long as none of the sellers with such a computer was suspended.

in the past I used the same computer with multiple users for different amazon accounts but later I noticed that after one was suspended they also suspended all the others and this despite different ip addresses and cookie separation.eventually they have a way to identify the actual computer and unfortunately cloned machines are the same computer if nothing is done additionally to change this

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

hmm very interesting thread.i use bridged and dont have any issues but like murdered by ebay said...

maybe change the browser and plug-in will work? But my old account had so many different ad-on and plug-ins. i will never use the same setup-for my stealth. definitely one of the reason i never been linked...However.. i do need to make each one clone a tad bit different...

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

Maybe install different plugins thru each acct?

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

I have NEVER liked VMware, especially for Amazon.

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

What you use Jeff?

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

I personally think it is better not to make any clones but to create a new machine , it takes maybe 1-2 hours but this way you get a totally new system without the slightest chance of having anything there that could connect you to another machine , of course this would also mean to change some windows settings but in general clones may be dangerous depending on how you do it , especially if you clone a machine that was used on amazon in the past

the whole thing with clones is somewhat ambiguous because amazon actually don't care about using the same computer or same settings as long as no user name was suspended so it may make the impression that different users on the same computer or identical machines with same settings work without problems

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

Very interesting! I've been using one mac with many user accounts and VPN with fresh dedicated IPs for each account and never had a problem before. Do I need to worry? I just had couple accounts go down, would I be linked on all the other accounts, if murdered by ebay is right?

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

You don't need to worry, because what you're doing is not cloning virtual machines. From what you described you're not using virtual machines at all so the warnings in this thread would not apply to your set up.

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

amazon have different levels of search for associated account

probably it depends on the reason why you were suspended , there are certain reasons where amazon would pull the full search for associated accounts on you.I don't know how mac works but with windows computers I would refrain from using the same computer for more than one account

I personally did in the past but my experience with this was bad , I lost several accounts with no obvious link to others , this even affected brandnew accounts where only a few items had been sold that did not have any connection to any accounts I ever had in the past

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

I'm quite sure WebRTC is not a tracking factor. Literally millions of PCs would have the same internal IP address, and this isn't practical at all for profiling.

You can also turn off WebRTC for certain browser. For example in firefox, all you have to do is set media.peerconnection.enabled to false in about:config.

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

which credit card you use to open new accounts ??

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

I stopped having the issue when I switched to bridge.I guess they started using something under nat to figure out if i was making multiple accounts.Every time I hit account 4-5 it was instant suspensions from there on out.Unless i factory reset the computer and restarted the process again

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

Just created one myself and it was suspended under creation, just used a user account and that was it. I'm thinking maybe the user name I picked could be closely associated with one that was suspended. For example let's say user name was rottentomatoes was taken, so I try rottentomatoes2 and that was taken, finally, rottentomatoes3, that went through and that was the one that got suspended. Frustrating.

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

What exactly is your process? Im almost positive there is no way they can link you via vmware.

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

No, you're right. It was vmware with multiple user accounts within the vmware. I just setup a new vmware with one user account and it worked fine. But I also changed BOTH my computer's mac address and my router's mac address. Not sure how many of these steps I need to continue doing. Can I just have a different mac address on just the computer and NOT the router? The reason I ask, I want to use my Verizon mifi for ip changes. It is so much easier. So using 2 mac address changes would be such a hassle.

So in short, the new account that works fine now is: new VM machine recently installed OS, new mac address for network card, new mac address from router.

Which step do I not need to take? I plan on making a lot more Amazon accounts.

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

it's true but not ALWAYS true :)

Here's an article, which describes how usage of virtual machine can be revealed through vulnerabilities or "features" in some browsers Web-based virtual machine detection using the HTML5 Performance object | Amit Klein's security corner

Some versions of Firefox leak this data. Internet explorer and edge refused to close this loophole. There's no hard data that Chrome is safe either.

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

Wow, that's some deep stuff. So in theory, Amazon can detect virtualization

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

So, if op can still answer since his activity is at 4%, people still having problems opening up 5 Amazon accts in one day with VMware?

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

So why exactly is bridged stealthier than nat? It gives you a different internal network ip?

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

What's the latest on this topic regarding vmware usage and amazon?

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

I have the same experience , I had openned new amazon accounts over 2000+ why it's in bulk most of them had been sold. I used my method for 2 years used vwmare it's woking good. till last week 2 of new acc met review by amazon and suspended by amazon. I think amazon had update his technology. My advise is do not trust vmware 100% they are still some issues we are don't know.

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

Are you guys using the isolated installation or are you using the more seamless option? I tend to use the isolated option. U might want to check the time zone as well on the VMware.

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

What do you mean isolated installation or seamless option? How do you do one or the other? I just install from the Windows OS in an .iso file.

Is right clicking on the task bar time and date and choosing "adjust/date time" good enough for timezone?

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

Also, for those who got suspended. Did you configure the firewall to block access to the internet if the VPN or Proxy drops? I found using VPN on the vmware some times drops connection (as my vpn lags sometimes, perhaps that's why my vpn gets disconnected). Obviously if VPN drops and nothing to block internet access, then your main computer's internet and IP will kick in.

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

The isolated option is I think two screens after you click add new VMware. Isolated is when all your files from the main computer is seperate from the virtual machine. The seamless option is when all your folders and files is integrated with the virtual machine, so files can be manipulated with ease from Mac to pc for example. I choose isolated option just to keep any integration with my main computer away from the virtual machine.

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

How do you know if the installation was seamless? My vmware was already set up.

And how do you know if it was installed as a "bridged connection" or NAT?

Again I want to check my VMs that I am already using and installed. Is there a way to check the settings, and if settings are not optimal can i change it? or need to reinstall

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

How can I double check my existing vmware setup? And if it's not isolated can we just change it to be isolated in the settings, or does this require a whole new vmware virtual machine install from scratch?

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

hmmmm....

VMware by default should be isolated from your main machine.

The only isolation setting I am aware of is Guest Isolation, which I leave on as it allows for copying/pasting content from host machine to the VM.

A VM should NOT be able to share data/files with the host. For example, if a VM got infected with a virus, it wouldn't be able to travel into the host PC - and this is a virus we are talking about, not even ebay/paypal.

There are exceptions to this, i.e. an extreme virus could use the network protocols to travel between VM and host pc.

One other form of data sharing that props up to mind is when you duplicate VM's and it uses data from the primary VM - or something like that... I haven't quite read into it, but this is for when you duplicating.

Am I missing something?

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

It could actually share information with the host quite easily, at least with the Mac version of VMware. I do this all the time, take photos with my iPhone, sync it with my MacBook, while VMware is running, put all pictures in a folder on my desktop MacBook, go to my VMware and go to the folder where my pics are that was originally on my Mac . In fact, the pc desktop virtual machine completely syncs with your Mac desktop so all files on your Mac desktop can be seen on your VMware pc win 7 desktop. So now I just use batch purifier on my VM to clean out the pictures on my Mac desktop, it's really cool since I can't find a Mac version of batch purifier.

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

Your virtual desktop is synced with your host, all files can be seen without complication, you're probably on the seamless installation.

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

I use PC windows, and on my VMware (after default install of new virtual machine) I remember that the only access I have to the files on my desktop is via copy and pasting it to my Virtual Machine.

Are you saying that the default creation of Virtual Machine is seamless and not isolated? So then the safest bet is to just re-create all my virtual machines from scratch and start again or is there a setting to convert it from seamless to isolated?

Re: I think Vmware maybe compromised by amazon
 

hmmm... I don't use VMware on my Mac... Im guessing its a Mac thing because there is no way I can get to my host pc files through a VM, let alone it all appearing in the VM automatically.