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Swizzle 05-19-2016 04:28 PM

How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
Pro accounts require ssn how do you get around that?

miketyson 05-20-2016 12:48 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
you have to use EIN

bboard 05-23-2016 11:17 AM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
You can either use your SSN or a EIN for Tax Setup.

If you've already used your SSN on a previous account you will now need to apply for a EIN and use that.

slokor 05-23-2016 03:16 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
EIN can be used but since those are not so easily obtained the other solution is to forego those Pro accounts altogether and just spread your sales across multiple accounts.

yankee 05-23-2016 05:00 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by slokor (Post 774003)
EIN can be used but since those are not so easily obtained the other solution is to forego those Pro accounts altogether and just spread your sales across multiple accounts.

Problem is you are limited at 50 transactions.

phaz0rz 05-23-2016 05:24 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
^^Also, it's pretty darn easy to "obtain" an EIN :)

GreenBean 05-23-2016 05:58 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by slokor (Post 774003)
EIN can be used but since those are not so easily obtained the other solution is to forego those Pro accounts altogether and just spread your sales across multiple accounts.

Bit tricky for amazon.

:ranger:

bboard 05-24-2016 06:39 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by slokor (Post 774003)
EIN can be used but since those are not so easily obtained the other solution is to forego those Pro accounts altogether and just spread your sales across multiple accounts.

EIN's are not really that hard to get.

You can apply online from Monday through Friday 7 a.m. to 10 p.m and the process takes only about 10-20 minutes depending on how fast you are.

rsot 05-24-2016 08:13 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
Lot of hot threads to read about the EIN Swizzle as well as the IRS website

alekov 05-26-2016 03:43 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bboard (Post 774348)
EIN's are not really that hard to get.

You can apply online from Monday through Friday 7 a.m. to 10 p.m and the process takes only about 10-20 minutes depending on how fast you are.

Hm, that's assuming that you have Corporation already setup, right? My experience has been that you can only obtain 1 EIN per person in your lifetime. Is there a way around this, or are you talking about something else? :noidea:

yankee 05-26-2016 04:28 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alekov (Post 774846)
Hm, that's assuming that you have Corporation already setup, right? My experience has been that you can only obtain 1 EIN per person in your lifetime. Is there a way around this, or are you talking about something else? :noidea:

Unlimited amount of EINs. Some say you can only get one a day, but that is not true either. You can get one EIN for one type of entity per day.

How many companies does Donald Trump have with his name or initials on it? It is just under 500 if you did not know. All of course have its own EIN attached.

Most major Hedge Funds(EIN) will own dozens, hundreds and even thousands of EINs and that is an entity in itself.

alekov 05-26-2016 04:39 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yankee (Post 774862)
Unlimited amount of EINs. Some say you can only get one a day, but that is not true either. You can get one EIN for one type of entity per day.

How many companies does Donald Trump have with his name or initials on it? It is just under 500 if you did not know. All of course have its own EIN attached.

Most major Hedge Funds(EIN) will own dozens, hundreds and even thousands of EINs and that is an entity in itself.

Wow that's great, but let me see if I understand this correct. These are EINs obtained under corporation, not person/sole proprietor? I've tried to get a second one under person and it didn't allow me.

Do you form the corporation first, or just pretend that the corporation exist? I've heard that if you setup EIN under corporation that doesn't exist, even though it allows you to get the EIN, within a month or two Amazon gets a wind of it somehow and shuts down your account? Is that correct?

alekov 05-26-2016 04:43 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
Something like this:

1. Setup corporation (ex Donald LLC)
2. Obtain EIN under Donald LLC
3. Next day apply for another EIN for Donald LLC
4. Next day apply for another EIN for Donald LLC

Setup 3 different stealth accounts for Donald LLC with each EIN and different address/cc/banks, etc?

yankee 05-26-2016 04:57 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
No, not at all. Kraft Corporation owns hundreds of other companies. Each company is its own entity just owned by Kraft.

You can only have one sole proprietor EIN but it does not make any sense to have one. Most taxed, most liability and it is you.

yankee 05-26-2016 04:58 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
Typically you get the EIN from the IRS before registering with the state, so I guess all EINs at one point are not yet companies...

nnah 05-27-2016 07:10 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
you can get an ein online just go to the irs website pretty simple

Swizzle 05-30-2016 05:59 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
My ssn stealth works But add far as ein how much does allthis cost? ?

rsot 05-30-2016 08:16 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Swizzle (Post 775842)
My ssn stealth works But add far as ein how much does allthis cost? ?

SSN stealth means....?

Swizzle 05-31-2016 11:55 AM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
meant just ssn

butterbear 06-01-2016 06:03 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Swizzle (Post 776057)
meant just ssn

If you use a ssn on a paypal account, does this account still consider as stealth?

GreenBean 06-01-2016 09:08 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alekov (Post 774867)
Something like this:

1. Setup corporation (ex Donald LLC)
2. Obtain EIN under Donald LLC
3. Next day apply for another EIN for Donald LLC
4. Next day apply for another EIN for Donald LLC

Setup 3 different stealth accounts for Donald LLC with each EIN and different address/cc/banks, etc?

You seek professional tax advise for this.

Start by looking over the IRS site.

www.irs.gov

Free to use and, surprisingly, user friendly.


:shhh:

rsot 06-01-2016 10:15 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by butterbear (Post 776438)
If you use a ssn on a paypal account, does this account still consider as stealth?

If you use your SSN then 1) PP has that info on file forever (for the most part) 2) Why would you want them having access to your real info? 3) Debatable on stealth status even if all steps are followed.

evicktd 06-03-2016 08:37 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rsot (Post 776481)
If you use your SSN then 1) PP has that info on file forever (for the most part) 2) Why would you want them having access to your real info? 3) Debatable on stealth status even if all steps are followed.

Yes, you can create, in theory, 100 EINs, but the repercussions in the long term for having so many companies under your SSN is unforeseen.

You would need to file for taxes on 100 different EINs. That's insane! You still have to do things the smart way...

subz 06-04-2016 12:28 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
Hi, can a Non-US resident get a SSN/EIN for stealth accounts on amazon.com without having to open a LLC or sole prop. company?
Kindly throw some light.

yankee 06-04-2016 04:50 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by subz (Post 777310)
Hi, can a Non-US resident get a SSN/EIN for stealth accounts on amazon.com without having to open a LLC or sole prop. company?
Kindly throw some light.

Nobody can USA citizen or not.

GreenBean 06-04-2016 08:14 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by butterbear (Post 776438)
If you use a ssn on a paypal account, does this account still consider as stealth?

How could it be stealth?

The SSN belongs to a unique idividual whose name is likely not on the stealth account.

:deadhorse:

alekov 06-08-2016 02:36 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
OK, I need clarification on this.

Can a single individual or single corporation have several EINs or not? Now I understand that anyone can open unlimited number of corporations, each with it's own unique EIN number. That's not my question, everyone knows that. My question is can one individual (SSN) or Corporation (with it's already assigned EIN) own several more EINs without opening new corporation for each?

Again, I'm pretty much 100% sure that ONE individual (with one SSN) CANNOT have several EIN numbers. The limit is 1 for life. I've discussed this with IRS several times.

I have not tried to do the same with a Corporation, but assume same rules apply. The messages on this thread make it sound like one Corporation can have unlimited EINs...

yankee 06-08-2016 03:01 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
Your corp can own other LLCs and corps but it is still filing for a new LLC or Corp.

Example is Kraft owning several other brands/companies all with its own entities. Then those profits pass through to Kraft.

yankee 06-08-2016 03:09 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
Example:

Titan Holdings Corporation
Holds:
ABC Realty Trust
Bluepond Estate LLC
Barkley Point LLC
Ronalds Sales and Marketing LLC

The profits/losses pass through to Titan Holdings. It is essentially a tax strategy and for raising unsecured capital.

alekov 06-08-2016 05:06 PM

Re: How do you get professional account when they require ssn?
 
Thank you Yankee, that's what I suspected I guess. So no, the answer is no. You need to setup many new corporations, and it's completely irrelevant who owns them, if one of them owns all the rest, or half own the other half, or me personally owns all the corporations. At the end of the day, you paid for setting up all of them, you pay for maintaining them, you pay yearly fees, and you pay for taxes, even if it's just pass through profits. :(


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