| | | glacier922 | 11-15-2016 02:55 PM | Vero working full-time this time of year? Got like 12 listings pulled in the last 2 weeks. How do you guys get rid of them once and for all? Post a receipt with the product? Invoice snapshot? |
| phaz0rz | 11-15-2016 02:57 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? You don't/can't get rid of them, lol. A VeRO takedown doesn't necessarily mean you're selling a counterfeit item, it means you're selling an item which the verified rights owner does not want you to sell.
I know it's not what you want to hear, but it's the truth. Only option is to reach out to the rights owner seeking permission to sell their item. |
| glacier922 | 11-15-2016 03:52 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Looks like I'll have to be doing some experimenting then. Are they active this time of year? |
| ilcarletto | 11-15-2016 03:55 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? |
Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Quote:
Originally Posted by glacier922
(Post 812178)
Looks like I'll have to be doing some experimenting then. Are they active this time of year? | Their active throughout the year, I would imagine more during this period than any other time of the year though. |
| pastrami_on_rye | 11-15-2016 03:55 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? I've been having problems as well in regards to VeRO the past 1-2 months. Products that I have been selling for 3+ years with no problems have been getting taken down rapidly and this is with multiple accounts. |
| glacier922 | 11-15-2016 04:05 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Yea, this has been the most active, couldn't believe so much has been taken down. |
| phaz0rz | 11-15-2016 04:06 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Quote:
Originally Posted by glacier922
(Post 812178)
Looks like I'll have to be doing some experimenting then. Are they active this time of year? | Yeah most companies tighten up on that sort of thing around Christmas time because you are taking their sales.
Be careful with your experimenting. Wouldn't want to see another member served with a lawsuit. :/ |
| glacier922 | 11-15-2016 04:30 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Thx dude, but all legit regardless. Even after that, stealth methods is pretty good, so double protection. |
| vogeltron | 11-16-2016 04:16 AM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Not in my realm of eBay. Had multiple sellers in my category who are selling clearly phake items with lots of negative reviews saying items are counterfeit and eBay won't lift a finger. |
| phaz0rz | 11-16-2016 07:44 AM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Quote:
Originally Posted by vogeltron
(Post 812262)
Not in my realm of eBay. Had multiple sellers in my category who are selling clearly phake items with lots of negative reviews saying items are counterfeit and eBay won't lift a finger. | Ebay's fingers won't be lifted until it becomes a problem for Ebay. As long as they are raking in cash for Ebay and the VeRO isn't complaining, Ebay turns a blind eye and the seller keeps on keeping on. |
| yomama9999 | 11-16-2016 08:42 AM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? It is the opposite for me. I had alot and have not had any removals of any kind in the past 3 months. From what i find wording/pictures and a older account with alot of feedback seems to have stopped my listings from getting removed that were getting removed before. Best of luck to you anyway though! |
| glacier922 | 11-16-2016 02:22 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? No can do, still getting some of my stuff removed. I guess I'll have to take a picture with a receipt next to the item. |
| Gladiator | 11-16-2016 02:27 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? As someone who uses VERO to monitor their own product, I have been getting most takedowns processed within 2-4 days. If you have multiples of the same item it could be spread out over that period or you got hit with a second wave. |
| newjerseymax | 11-16-2016 03:14 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? I firmly believe this is why it is in your best interest to sell these higher risk items in summer slow months so that you can sell in high season also. I see a lot of seasonal flyby sellers in holidays that try to list high risk items and almost always get removed. |
| glacier922 | 11-16-2016 03:30 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Quote:
Originally Posted by Gladiator
(Post 812361)
As someone who uses VERO to monitor their own product, I have been getting most takedowns processed within 2-4 days. If you have multiples of the same item it could be spread out over that period or you got hit with a second wave. | What do you mean by second wave? So Ebay does determine themselves whether to take the items down or not? Thanks. |
| yankee | 11-16-2016 03:34 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Quote:
Originally Posted by glacier922
(Post 812379)
What do you mean by second wave? So Ebay does determine themselves whether to take the items down or not? Thanks. | Ebay is removing the items because the VERO rights owner tells them to. Ebay does not do it themselves. |
| glacier922 | 11-16-2016 03:48 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Oh well, the way gladiator was saying was as if eBay determines it. Why would it take 2-4 business days if Vero had absolute power right? Looks like I'll do some more experimenting. I'm going to take pictures with receipts to prove that those products are mine. |
| yankee | 11-16-2016 03:54 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Quote:
Originally Posted by glacier922
(Post 812382)
Oh well, the way gladiator was saying was as if eBay determines it. Why would it take 2-4 business days if Vero had absolute power right? Looks like I'll do some more experimenting. I'm going to take pictures with receipts to prove that those products are mine. | I submit the report to ebay and 3-5 days later listings are removed.
It is not like I log into ebays system and remove the listing myself. It takes a few days for ebay to process it. |
| yankee | 11-16-2016 03:55 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? I VERO my pictures and titles as well now. I remove any listing that uses my pictures or titles. Takes 3-5 days. Never less than 3 and so far not more than 5 days. |
| muzzie | 11-16-2016 04:30 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Sales are going up near Christmas, so they are taking down eBay sellers to boost their own sales. Happens every year. |
| yankee | 11-16-2016 04:44 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? My best selling item that I dont own the brand was just removed. Over 1200 sales this month so far. Oh well. Time to run auctions. |
| glacier922 | 11-16-2016 04:48 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee
(Post 812384)
I submit the report to ebay and 3-5 days later listings are removed.
It is not like I log into ebays system and remove the listing myself. It takes a few days for ebay to process it. | Have you tried that with a picture with the receipt? I'm still trying to get inside the head of Ebay's machines. It's like why take that long if it's a machine right? Should knock it out within a few hours at most, and that would be because their processors are too slow to do it within 1 minute. |
| yankee | 11-16-2016 06:52 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Quote:
Originally Posted by glacier922
(Post 812394)
Have you tried that with a picture with the receipt? I'm still trying to get inside the head of Ebay's machines. It's like why take that long if it's a machine right? Should knock it out within a few hours at most, and that would be because their processors are too slow to do it within 1 minute. | Vero rights owner has to email ebay, then ebay rep has to send to member to member department for review.
It is a slow process.
If a vero owner does not want you to sell, then they dont want you to sell. |
| yankee | 11-16-2016 07:21 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Quote:
Originally Posted by phaz0rz
(Post 812424)
If Yankee is a registered VeRO agent submitting a report to have a competitors listing removed, why would he submit any type of receipt? He's obviously already proven he owns a brand, lol. | Because I posted that my best selling item that I do not own the brand was just removed.
First time this year I have had this, but I have been in constant battles with them over MAP all year sooo they finally got smart.
Just means I will run auctions..... |
| glacier922 | 11-16-2016 07:43 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? I ran auctions too, still got pulled. I guess I'll have to go hardball on them prove those items are legit. Target and Walmart is legit right? First sale doctrine is legit right? First sale doctrine benefits eBay right? The last sentence is a reference to jeffweico, since he always writes 20 pages per post on how eBay/Amazon will do what's in their benefit. So, just got to play hardball. The companies vero agent is not the law. |
| yankee | 11-16-2016 07:50 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Quote:
Originally Posted by glacier922
(Post 812430)
I ran auctions too, still got pulled. I guess I'll have to go hardball on them prove those items are legit. Target and Walmart is legit right? First sale doctrine is legit right? First sale doctrine benefits eBay right? The last sentence is a reference to jeffweico, since he always writes 20 pages per post on how eBay/Amazon will do what's in their benefit. So, just got to play hardball. The companies vero agent is not the law. | Not at all.
Vero rights owner will pull no matter what. They could not care less if you buy from them. They dont want you to sell at all Period. |
| phaz0rz | 11-16-2016 08:43 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Quote:
Originally Posted by yankee
(Post 812426)
Because I posted that my best selling item that I do not own the brand was just removed.
First time this year I have had this, but I have been in constant battles with them over MAP all year sooo they finally got smart. | Pulled my post, but I have no idea what you're talking about. :( Quote:
They dont want you to sell at all Period.
| I tried to say it on page one, lol. Become an authorized retailer, Glacier. |
| glacier922 | 11-17-2016 03:19 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Well, today has been really bad. Haven't counted how many, but I'm guessing 10 accounts suspended. All things I have been selling for the last 2 years too! |
| yankee | 11-17-2016 03:42 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Quote:
Originally Posted by glacier922
(Post 812618)
Well, today has been really bad. Haven't counted how many, but I'm guessing 10 accounts suspended. All things I have been selling for the last 2 years too! | New accounts or inactive accounts just starting back up? |
Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Quote:
Originally Posted by glacier922
(Post 812618)
Well, today has been really bad. Haven't counted how many, but I'm guessing 10 accounts suspended. All things I have been selling for the last 2 years too! | Portable Browsers? |
| glacier922 | 11-17-2016 04:00 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Portable browsers, new accounts, old accounts with feedback. I just got 4 more suspended as we speak! One of them, was pretty good, 30 items sold maybe , 1 vero used, one broken iPhone 6, I clearly stated as broken. Also, they were all connected to inkfrog.
And I did check the browsers, no flash. |
| Gladiator | 11-17-2016 04:29 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Quote:
Originally Posted by glacier922
(Post 812382)
Oh well, the way gladiator was saying was as if eBay determines it. Why would it take 2-4 business days if Vero had absolute power right? Looks like I'll do some more experimenting. I'm going to take pictures with receipts to prove that those products are mine. | No that is not what I said. I said eBay does their take downs over a period of days and if you have two or three of the same item you may get hit over multiple days vs all at once. eBay has no say in what comes down, but they do control how they process their takedowns and they have been sporadic in taking, for example, a handful of listings down from a list of 100+ and coming back the next day and removing the other 90. |
| Gladiator | 11-17-2016 04:31 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Quote:
Originally Posted by glacier922
(Post 812618)
Well, today has been really bad. Haven't counted how many, but I'm guessing 10 accounts suspended. All things I have been selling for the last 2 years too! | Are these clothing items? I know a few companies are going scorched earth on a few products. |
| glacier922 | 11-17-2016 04:57 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Quote:
Originally Posted by Gladiator
(Post 812638)
No that is not what I said. I said eBay does their take downs over a period of days and if you have two or three of the same item you may get hit over multiple days vs all at once. eBay has no say in what comes down, but they do control how they process their takedowns and they have been sporadic in taking, for example, a handful of listings down from a list of 100+ and coming back the next day and removing the other 90. | So are you saying this will only happen over a few days? If so, I should cool it for a week or so? Thanks for the info. And no, they are not clothing. But let's just say that they are on the risky side, but I do have receipts. I'm even prepared to make an account, 5/500, call in to ask for a raise, provide ID, AND receipts! What do you think of that plan? Will that protect me from this ridiculous onslaught? Thanks. |
| Gladiator | 11-17-2016 05:04 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Quote:
Originally Posted by glacier922
(Post 812643)
So are you saying this will only happen over a few days? If so, I should cool it for a week or so? Thanks for the info. And no, they are not clothing. But let's just say that they are on the risky side, but I do have receipts. I'm even prepared to make an account, 5/500, call in to ask for a raise, provide ID, AND receipts! What do you think of that plan? Will that protect me from this ridiculous onslaught? Thanks. | Typically, if you get one hit and have others anticipate a hit again over that week.
I have no idea on your other question. I only sell products at this point that I legally own and have the rights to. My difference is I only use a merchant account, not Paypal. I get all my money the next day and avoid the middle man. I haven't noticed a huge difference on eBay as a lot of people are happy to pay directly with a card vs Paypal. |
| glacier922 | 11-17-2016 05:16 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Ok, I had a 1 or 2 hit 3 weeks ago. This week it was hitting me like a mother fu...
What I was asking was if I just stop making accounts for like a week, let this hot period cool off, I can resume? Again these are my staples for the last 2 years, never had a problem with it until these 2 weeks. Again, I'm prepared with receipts, invoices everything. |
| Gladiator | 11-17-2016 05:59 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Quote:
Originally Posted by glacier922
(Post 812652)
Ok, I had a 1 or 2 hit 3 weeks ago. This week it was hitting me like a mother fu...
What I was asking was if I just stop making accounts for like a week, let this hot period cool off, I can resume? Again these are my staples for the last 2 years, never had a problem with it until these 2 weeks. Again, I'm prepared with receipts, invoices everything. | I don't know. It depends on how often they are monitoring this product now. Have you tried reaching out to the rights holder? I have people reach out all the time and I withdrawal complaints after we reach an agreement. |
| glacier922 | 11-17-2016 11:46 PM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Anyone have a rough estimate at the success rate with contacting vero when you got receipts, invoices, etc. ? |
| Gladiator | 11-18-2016 03:01 AM | Re: Vero working full-time this time of year? Quote:
Originally Posted by glacier922
(Post 812698)
Anyone have a rough estimate at the success rate with contacting vero when you got receipts, invoices, etc. ? | It's gonna vary by vendor. Just reach out. The worst that can happen is they ignore you, the best gets your listings and store back. | | All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:26 PM. | |
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