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Selling the most high risk items on a stealth acct
 

So i was just wondering if it is even possible to sell a $15,000-$20,000 VERO item (such as a super expensive watch) on a stealth acct. before it gets suspended? I understand that this action will definitely get you shutdown I just don't know if there is a way to sell the item and get the funds out of PayPal before it it did. And if it is possible, how long would the account have to be aged, how much positive seller feedback on acct, etc. Basically the ideal situation to minimize getting shutdown within a week of posting it so you could get the money into you bank acct. Thanx

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hmm anythings possible but you would have to prepare for the fact that eventually sooner rather than later that PP would lock your funds for 180...

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If you are serious about doing this, then your best bet is to call eBay and tell them what you are doing and ask what the requirements are.

At this point I double any kind of account is immune as the risk is just very high.

Have you read the stealth guide yet btw?

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Alright that's what ill prolly do then is call ebay, and yes I have read the stealth guide.

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20K high risk? On EB? With PP covering your back?

Get ready to lose your product and your money both.

This one is going to hurt for a loooong time...

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you will get limited with that amount within 5 minutes after the buyer pays

me and a friend did this with a watch that sold for 3k. the account had feedback and was over a year old

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Makes me wonder how the sellers with a non-stealth acct that sell these type of things don't get banned left and right....or do they??

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I am sure they get limited if it is too expensive until paypal can verify their identity and sometimes proof of ownership

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Meanwhile they're just collecting a ton of interest on YOUR money for however long they please right? :mad::mad:

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I kind of doubt you will get this answer even from people with success - any method that exists (if there is one) would be uber precious to divulge...

Back in the day there was the concept of Escrow #memoriesofoldeBay

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I've seen it done with very expensive coins or collectibles. Items priced at 10-20k on a new account with feedback less than 1 or 2. By "new account" I mean one created just a couple weeks prior. Those listings appeared to complate, and feedback left by the buyer, but that really don't mean much.

For these items (and the dollar amount) the problem will always be with PayPal, not so much eBay.
As others have said here, expect PayPal to limit you pretty much immediately once that first payment comes though on an account with little/no prior history.

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If it is a totally legit item, for the love of god, go to a proper auction. Ebay isnt your highest money at those levels. There are private dealers with shops that would offer your better risk/reward in theory. Just food for thought.

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Exactly, the way this is phrased is fishy at best. Basically "I want to sell an ultra high risk 15-20K item and get the cash out fast without providing documents"

Lots of higher class auctions online that can independently sell and authenticate an item of that value for around the same fee ebay charges to do nothing

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With all the ⊗⊗⊗⊗ goods out there these days, who's the say your "authentic" item is so?

One thing is certain: PayPal has a LOT to potentially lose in such a deal if your item doesn't happen to be what you claim.

If there is a dispute/chargeback/case initiated by the customer, PayPal would be left holding the bag.

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This may works on eBay but not on PayPal, if you wants to try then give them call and ask them they will refer your case to backend department which I believe run risk assessment and more likely it will declined worth trying

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You can do this on a well established stealth account in good standing. I would not do this on a new stealth account.

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Why cash out so quick? It seems like a scam to me

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Wow. Never even occurred to me but yeah, this sure sounds fishy.

OP's in too much of a hurry by far. He sounds like he wants to sell and run.

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so what single transaction amount to paypal would start to get you limited? Over $500? Over $1k?

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Yeah, except that on top of fees for the seller, the buyer pays around 25% for the privilege of buying. Which means you'll get a price minus 25%, compared to a buyer that isn't going to have to pay that much.

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Many factors to consider - first sale on a new account, type of item, risk of sale, etc

$500+ on a first sale on a new account in general is pretty risky

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Could be a seller's second account that was linked to his first...

In a case like this, I could totally see PayPal just shoving the buyer aside to look after their own. "Sorry, we could not determine with sufficient proof" blah blah blah and close the case against the buyer... no way they write off 20k to their books. I would say most credit card companies would make the customer jump through an inordinate amount of hoops before issuing a credit, too... they don't like to authorize chargebacks in that amount IMO

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This thread actually makes me think: is there a limit on eBay buyer/seller protection? It's easy for eB/PP to intervene for smaller value transactions, but what about transactions for these kinds of large amounts? Anyone know if there's any fine print to their protection for those amounts? Or do they just blindly refund according to their policy even if the amounts start reaching 5 figures +

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Dont know how someone can sell something like this on ebay


WARNING: Link to eBay!!

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Don't know the limits, but I strongly suspect if somebody charges back 20K they're going to be using the fine print in the 600 page terms of service to weasel out of any 'seller protection' claims.

It's kind of like the guy who wanted EB to make good his $600 buyer fraud case a few weeks back, they'll do $5-10 as a courtesy, but bigger money they're going to laugh and tell you to go fish. ( which is exacly what they did in spite of the BBB and USPS fraud filing and police report and IC3 stuff everyone suggested ).

The only justice people can obtain in our sad era of corporate greed is the justice they can afford to pay for an attorney to convince a judge to enforce.

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again, I had a $350 courtesy, and I barely had to fight for it at all. I've done $250. $200. $150. Hell, I barely bother if it's not 3 figures. $5-10 is SUPER easy. They won't even flinch. Hell, last week I had an ebay rep give me a $400 credit on some other problem.

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Sometimes $50 is enough. It is random.

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I was doing some research on this and I THINK I saw somewhere that protection only applies up until $2k per transaction. Think this was for PP, not sure how it works for eB, but interesting nonetheless

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They've weaseled their way out of some legitimate claims I had.

The worst was a phone I bought which had actually been locked and unable to be unlocked (DOA). It was a suspected stolen device and I sent proof to paypal, which then told me word for word that it was not their problem if a stolen device is sold. Eventually reported it all the way up to the manager who listened to the recording of the conversation and said the rep would be punished, however best he would offer me is 50% refund.

Never underestimate the TOS of ebay/paypal.

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Ok, that is sad and funny at the same time

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Just got two more courtesy refunds last night from two different reps. $150 each. lol what reps are you talking to that are laughing and telling you to go fish?

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You are obviously the KING, man!

Wow! Sounds like you could sell anything to anyone! :)

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I'm not the KING. Nothing about this is abnormal

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Are you serious? In essence you want help in committing a crime? You want to make everyone who answered you on the thread as well as this forum some kind of Co Defendant,,, yes I said DEFENDANT, because defrauding someone out of that kind of money is a FELONY.

In those amounts Law Enforcement involvement is GUARANTEED Paypals ONLY role will be to fully cooperate with the law.

And please spare us the Bull$h^t, you are planning to rip people off, why else would you need to get your money out fast. IF by some chance this is all on the up-n-up, then why ask for advice here???,,,Why not simply call Ebay and Paypal, express your concerns, and Im POSITIVE that they themselves will be MORE than happy to guide you properly.

It is people like you that this forum exists, if it wasn't for people like you NO ONE would ever get suspended

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Where the hell did ANY OF THAT just come from. :doh:

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lol... no clue!

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The OP is asking how to sell a $15,000-$20,000 VERO item, an expensive watch to be specific,,,,if you do not think that there is a possibility that the watch just might be a "China Special" then you are living in a bubble

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Reality check with slapped is required on the regular :thumb:

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Do I think things are possible? Sure. But you pretty much outright accused the guy of selling ⊗⊗⊗⊗, and decided not to help him because of that. Not even " maybe". You straight up called it all out as BULL****.

In your little bubble, no chance that someone has an expensive watch to sell on ebay, that they know ebay is going to get all upset about and perhaps shut it down while still in the process of being shipped. You know, cause that has NEVER happened to ANY of us before.... :noidea:

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I'm probably one of the MOST cynical/skeptical people on here, and I completely overlooked the possibility the OP might be planning on some sort of fraud.

Really, you should give the guy the benefit of the doubt, he may be completely legit and is just be worried about losing his money and wants to pull it out as quickly as possible to prevent that from possibly happening.

Lord knows we've all worried about that over much smaller sums.