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LEARNINGONLY 09-14-2018 07:46 PM

Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Is there any need to buy or create your own VPN when there are cheap dedicated socks5 proxies out there for creating an ebay stealth account?

Thanks appreciate it if anyone can tell me if it's worth it. I know a site selling dedicated socks5 for only 3.5 bucks a month maintenance.

empirestate 09-14-2018 08:09 PM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Been using proxies for 10 years, I don't see a reason to use slow VPNS...

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chrisroookie 09-15-2018 03:49 PM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Those dedicated socks5 proxies aren't private.

SaiJin 09-15-2018 04:05 PM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LEARNINGONLY (Post 943822)
Is there any need to buy or create your own VPN when there are cheap dedicated socks5 proxies out there for creating an ebay stealth account?

Thanks appreciate it if anyone can tell me if it's worth it. I know a site selling dedicated socks5 for only 3.5 bucks a month maintenance.


I try to stay away from proxies due to privacy and inconsistency.

I have found that a GOOD VPN is really worth its cheap price.

Camaro2SS 09-15-2018 04:31 PM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
I am using Fresh VPN but it’s not cheap at all.

SaiJin 09-15-2018 04:41 PM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Did you use IPburger? It's one of the best and cheapest ones I know of.

chrisroookie 09-15-2018 06:46 PM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
IPBurger is the best, instant & very good aswell.

MM78 09-15-2018 10:09 PM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisroookie (Post 943993)
Those dedicated socks5 proxies aren't private.

There are good Proxies, just not going to land in your lap. How many ****ty VPN's, VPS's exist? yeah...more than you can count on 2 hands, and toes. I've been using Proxies for a long time and have never lost any account because of the Proxy.

nickopedia 09-16-2018 01:46 AM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
There are indeed some good proxies that work well with EB/PP. I know because I use several.

The truth is that we are not just going to mention who they are with because making that information public would obviously cause problems.

This takes trial and error. Put the work into finding the right IP, and you will find it's totally worth the effort.

marvydocs 09-16-2018 05:07 AM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
I haven't tried proxies , but tried VPN and VPS, so VPS Comes as a 1st choice , Especially that it's also a seperated equipment , so no need for much setup .

empirestate 09-16-2018 12:18 PM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 

LEARNINGONLY 09-16-2018 01:43 PM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MM78 (Post 944023)
There are good Proxies, just not going to land in your lap. How many ****ty VPN's, VPS's exist? yeah...more than you can count on 2 hands, and toes. I've been using Proxies for a long time and have never lost any account because of the Proxy.

I see it is a bit of a known one. So how do we know if it's a small guy that they will be trustworthy? How much do you pay for the proxy?

MM78 09-17-2018 10:37 AM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LEARNINGONLY (Post 944171)
I see it is a bit of a known one. So how do we know if it's a small guy that they will be trustworthy? How much do you pay for the proxy?

What I have found is the best way to test proxies is to literally buy 1 proxy and test it with www.whoer.net and see if it gets detected as a Proxy. I pay $2.50/per Proxy.

nickopedia 09-17-2018 10:54 PM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
As Empirestate mentioned above, Multilogin is a great tool for keeping profiles separate and works great with proxies. I get them for less than $2 each and can choose the region/state I want them in. Furthermore, each profile on Multilogin can show that I am using a mix of different OS's and browsers/versions, etc. Even the screen resolution and various fingerprinting/canvas profiles are supported making it that much harder to screw up at being detected by PP/EB.

@NasterXchange 09-18-2018 03:10 AM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MM78 (Post 944321)
What I have found is the best way to test proxies is to literally buy 1 proxy and test it with www.whoer.net and see if it gets detected as a Proxy. I pay $2.50/per Proxy.

Would you mind sharing where you buy proxies at $2.50 please?

@NasterXchange 09-18-2018 03:12 AM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by empirestate (Post 944144)

I'm testing this tool today, my first impression is that it's providing outdated useragents? For example getting an old version of Google Chrome.

H4ck 09-18-2018 06:38 AM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
socks5 proxies doesn't last forever. it can last anywhere from 1 hour to 3 months......it will randomly die out and won't work anymore.

paid vpn service on the other hand is guarantee to last up to the license date you paid for it.

MM78 09-18-2018 10:05 AM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jarsky541 (Post 944533)
socks5 proxies doesn't last forever. it can last anywhere from 1 hour to 3 months......it will randomly die out and won't work anymore.

So you are saying that the 12 proxies I've been using for 1.6 Years is gonna die soon? I better make other arrangements.

yankee 09-18-2018 10:36 AM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MM78 (Post 944557)
So you are saying that the 12 proxies I've been using for 1.6 Years is gonna die soon? I better make other arrangements.

He is saying they dies at least 1.3 months ago if I am reading all this right:eek:

MM78 09-18-2018 10:44 AM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yankee (Post 944563)
He is saying they dies at least 1.3 months ago if I am reading all this right:eek:

He's saying they only last for a short period of time, and if you use a **** proxy, that is true.

nickopedia 09-18-2018 11:12 AM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
I think a lot of how long a proxy lasts will depend on where you get them from. My provider will let me keep my socks for as long as I like, so long as I pay my fees to retain them. I have yet to have any pulled out from under me. In fact, I have been using some of the ip's for up to 2.5 years already. They are SOCKS4/5/https and are a mix of datacenter & residental ip's. They are non-detectable as proxy by sites such as whoer.com.
I rarely get a bad one, as my eBay & PayPal have yet to have any issues.
I also don't use a crappy proxy either. Cheap isn't always your best option. You get what you pay for.

nate 09-18-2018 11:18 AM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Even when you pay it sometimes doesn't work out... I had a VPS in Switzerland that I paid 4x the price for compared to the servers I get in the US...

Soon as my 180 day paypal guarantee was up I got migrated to Germany.

@NasterXchange 09-18-2018 11:48 AM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nickopedia (Post 944569)
I think a lot of how long a proxy lasts will depend on where you get them from. My provider will let me keep my socks for as long as I like, so long as I pay my fees to retain them. I have yet to have any pulled out from under me. In fact, I have been using some of the ip's for up to 2.5 years already. They are SOCKS4/5/https and are a mix of datacenter & residental ip's. They are non-detectable as proxy by sites such as whoer.com.
I rarely get a bad one, as my eBay & PayPal have yet to have any issues.
I also don't use a crappy proxy either. Cheap isn't always your best option. You get what you pay for.

which proxy provider are you using?

H4ck 09-19-2018 12:51 AM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MM78 (Post 944565)
He's saying they only last for a short period of time, and if you use a **** proxy, that is true.

my bad, I guess you bought some created proxies......technically yes....they will last just as long as vpn.....

I was talking about a different type of situation.......

nickopedia 09-19-2018 02:34 AM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by @MasterNaster (Post 944582)
which proxy provider are you using?

PM'd you privately.

iamlmfao 09-19-2018 02:02 PM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nickopedia (Post 944718)
PM'd you privately.

can you please pm me? Thanks!

Brainbuster 11-20-2018 11:22 PM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaiJin (Post 944003)
Did you use IPburger? It's one of the best and cheapest ones I know of.

Cheapest?? Are you joking?

Buying a month of ipburger is $30/month--more than ten times expensive as a proxy.

The lowest price at ipburger is $100/year but you have to pay for the year upfront, which doesn't make sense when it comes to Paypal (your your account may get limited at any point).

Going with ipburger just makes a limit hurt more. More than once I've had an account get limited, and I still had 9 months left on ipburger (that's an extra $90 gone for each account).

You can get proxies for $1.50/month that work just as well as ipburger.

adc 11-20-2018 11:43 PM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
I've successfully used some dedicated U.S. ipV4 proxies to setup eBay and PayPal accounts, after carefully configuring the Windows user account and the browsers to show a matching system time and language, prevent Web RTC IP leaks, disabling Java, Flash, etc. When doing checks on them via Whoer.net and 2ip.io, they show no indication of any type of proxy or anonymization being used. However, not every single one of them bought from the same Russian Proxy vendor for $1.26 per month can actually connect to PayPal or eBay. It seems to be sort of luck of the draw.

MM78 11-20-2018 11:43 PM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brainbuster (Post 959051)
Cheapest?? Are you joking?

Buying a month of ipburger is $30/month--more than ten times expensive as a proxy.

The lowest price at ipburger is $100/year but you have to pay for the year upfront, which doesn't make sense when it comes to Paypal (your your account may get limited at any point).

Going with ipburger just makes a limit hurt more. More than once I've had an account get limited, and I still had 9 months left on ipburger (that's an extra $90 gone for each account).

You can get proxies for $1.50/month that work just as well as ipburger.

Alright....relax.
1)VPN's and Proxies are not the same thing.
2)Finding good VPN's and Proxies is not always easy, there are a ton of **** Proxies and VPN's out there.
3)Some people are not tech savvy and want what is easiest for them to use.

nickopedia 11-21-2018 12:41 AM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Here's the thing with SOCKS or http proxies:

1) It's tricky to find one that is not SHARED or over used/abused. Like a good VPN service, it takes trial and error.

2) Cheapest isn't always better. In fact, the cheaper or more well known the service, the WORSE the IP's are liklely to be.

The best route, if your a bit tecvch savvy of course is to create your own proxy/vpn from a PRIVATE pool of IP's that ONLY you yourself use, and have access to.

The dirty secret is that many SOCKS proxies are shared with other users. They are not private and that's going to cause you issues.

@NasterXchange 11-21-2018 06:14 PM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nickopedia (Post 959061)
Here's the thing with SOCKS or http proxies:

1) It's tricky to find one that is not SHARED or over used/abused. Like a good VPN service, it takes trial and error.

2) Cheapest isn't always better. In fact, the cheaper or more well known the service, the WORSE the IP's are liklely to be.

The best route, if your a bit tecvch savvy of course is to create your own proxy/vpn from a PRIVATE pool of IP's that ONLY you yourself use, and have access to.

The dirty secret is that many SOCKS proxies are shared with other users. They are not private and that's going to cause you issues.


The same can happen also to VPN.
VPN are easier detectable than Proxies, except you use any Obsfucation method. However eBay and Paypal never said, you cannot use a VPN with their Service, because they are many legitimate reasons why you might use a VPN. So both should work or fail, depending on many many other factors.

nickopedia 11-21-2018 07:02 PM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
A VPN or proxy is nothing more than a BRIDGE to a remote network.

It's simply a method of getting from YOUR computer/network to some other network with it's respective IP pool.

What matters here isn't so much the technology (VPN/SOCKS/http) "transport" but the IP ADDRESSES at the remote network itself.

I choose to use IP addresses no one except me has access to. This is MY own private block. I know for a fact they are clean, never used previously, and not on any blacklists, abuse, or proxified lists. Sites like whoer.net and other tests show these IP's as a non-proxy, etc.

There are some good SOCKS providers who give you such clean space, but cost a slight premium. Unfortuantely a lot of the cheaper proxy sellers use SHARED pools, and that is going to potentially be dangerous for eBay or PayPal use.

blanco98 11-28-2018 03:51 PM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nickopedia (Post 944718)
PM'd you privately.

Can you p.m me the proxy provider that you use? Thanks

ddm50 01-08-2019 04:41 PM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nickopedia (Post 959312)
A VPN or proxy is nothing more than a BRIDGE to a remote network.

It's simply a method of getting from YOUR computer/network to some other network with it's respective IP pool.

What matters here isn't so much the technology (VPN/SOCKS/http) "transport" but the IP ADDRESSES at the remote network itself.

I choose to use IP addresses no one except me has access to. This is MY own private block. I know for a fact they are clean, never used previously, and not on any blacklists, abuse, or proxified lists. Sites like whoer.net and other tests show these IP's as a non-proxy, etc.

There are some good SOCKS providers who give you such clean space, but cost a slight premium. Unfortuantely a lot of the cheaper proxy sellers use SHARED pools, and that is going to potentially be dangerous for eBay or PayPal use.

Saw you PM'ed the other guy your proxy provider, was wondering if you could do the same and PM me it aswell?

WB1976 01-08-2019 06:10 PM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
I use IPvanish, I can always use the same IP for my accounts and it is fast, I have been using that software for years now. You can pick the country you like as well as the city you want inside the country, coming very close to where you want it to be.

MM78 01-08-2019 06:18 PM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WB1976 (Post 969783)
I use IPvanish, I can always use the same IP for my accounts and it is fast, I have been using that software for years now. You can pick the country you like as well as the city you want inside the country, coming very close to where you want it to be.

Try making an ebay account in the US with IPVanish.....then get back to me.

Stealth1738 01-08-2019 09:36 PM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
nearly all vpns have high risk score so makes more sense to use proxy for many reasons

nickopedia 01-09-2019 02:43 AM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Sorry to disappoint anyone PM'ing me about what provider I use, but as I've said, I am using a PRIVATE pool of addresses which is not for sale to the public. In other words, I own the network in that case and don't resell to anyone.

The point is, if everyone knows about a provider that's good for eBay or PayPal, it would get burned out quickly. Don't think for a second that eBay and PayPal employees arn't lurking here. I'm nearly 100% sure they buy the same services to study.

Find a smaller webhost that doesn't resell their services, and ask them for test IP's to perform your own lookup tests before you spend your money. Check that providers range and use a blacklisting and IP reputation tools (many are found online) for starters. This takes a little research, but it's worth it in the long term. If you're lazy and just want a quick provider that works, use IPBurger or 24vc. One reason they are recommended here is because these providers do thier own research for IP's before giving them to customers. That's the whole point of a Fresh IP.

Don't use any webhost you have actaully heard of and stay away from big companies like Hostgator, Godaddy, or Amazon AWS. Chances are, if you have heard the name before it's not a good choice for IP's.

Even better, you can get a residential based proxies, but they are more costly than datacenter IP's because they are using real providers such as Verizon, AT&T, Comcast, Charter, etc. These types of addresses score much better on risk panels for financial sites such as PayPal and banks.

nickopedia 01-09-2019 02:46 AM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealth1738 (Post 969815)
nearly all vpns have high risk score so makes more sense to use proxy for many reasons

Of course they don't score well... It's because everyone and their uncle is using them. The big ones like Nord, CyberGhost, Hide My Ass, ExpressVPN, IPVanish,, etc are heavily used and abused. Each provider uses the same range of IP's and they are well known to PayPal and eBay.

@NasterXchange 01-09-2019 08:08 PM

Re: Do Socks5 proxies work just as well as a VPN with a dedicated IP address?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nickopedia (Post 969838)
Of course they don't score well... It's because everyone and their uncle is using them. The big ones like Nord, CyberGhost, Hide My Ass, ExpressVPN, IPVanish,, etc are heavily used and abused. Each provider uses the same range of IP's and they are well known to PayPal and eBay.

Although these VPNs providers are well known and abused sometimes, there are still legitimate reasons to use them. Therefore you can use Paypal normally with any of these VPNs without reasons.
I'm not saying - it's recommend - but I'm just saying you can use them without getting limited (you will get limited for other reasons).


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