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jamthedeejay 02-10-2022 11:17 AM

What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
I haven't been able to get back on ebay in over 12 months and it's absolutely killing me, ive tried to set up around 8 stealth accounts in the last year and all get restricted, i purchased an account from the seller forum here about 5 months back and that got restricted within 2 days and i only logged into the account once and did nothing else, seller wouldn't replace as said it was my fault for using dedicated i.p from i.p burger, anyway..

A user on here commented on a post yesterday saying...

''They look at operating system, web browser, cache, cookies, fonts installed, resolution, audio devices, name, address, phone number, bank accounts.''


How true is this? Because im trying to figure out why i can't seem to make a stealth account, many people here say a new user is enough, then there's other stating about hardware etc and should get a new pc or laptop?

bruh 02-10-2022 11:36 AM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jamthedeejay (Post 1184627)
I haven't been able to get back on ebay in over 12 months and it's absolutely killing me, ive tried to set up around 8 stealth accounts in the last year and all get restricted, i purchased an account from the seller forum here about 5 months back and that got restricted within 2 days and i only logged into the account once and did nothing else, seller wouldn't replace as said it was my fault for using dedicated i.p from i.p burger, anyway..

A user on here commented on a post yesterday saying...

''They look at operating system, web browser, cache, cookies, fonts installed, resolution, audio devices, name, address, phone number, bank accounts.''


How true is this? Because im trying to figure out why i can't seem to make a stealth account, many people here say a new user is enough, then there's other stating about hardware etc and should get a new pc or laptop?

100% is true

bruh 02-10-2022 11:37 AM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
New user is hardly enough. Fingerprinting is the same on all accounts, because you use same os and browser. You are one and the same person for e.bay

jamthedeejay 02-10-2022 11:39 AM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bruh (Post 1184629)
New user is hardly enough. Fingerprinting is the same on all accounts, because you use same os and browser. You are one and the same person for e.bay

Interesting.

DENDEN76 02-10-2022 02:44 PM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Fingerprinting is easy to get around I believe the issue lies in the identity checks

yankee 02-10-2022 03:33 PM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
I believe you need real details. Name, DOB must match. In the USA is is a bit more than that now. We use separate computers for most accounts these days. It works for us. If we are starting accounts, portable browsers and modify fingerprinting.

Roy3805 02-10-2022 05:48 PM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Websites can easily check fingerprints now. And when you try to spoof it you run into problems. You can do simple things though like changing browsers on each user account

ebayStlealth300 02-15-2022 07:23 PM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
I got 16 ebay accounts all on same computer, different user accounts and browsers.
No promblems yet for over 5 years now.

SaiJin 02-15-2022 09:02 PM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jamthedeejay (Post 1184627)
I haven't been able to get back on ebay in over 12 months and it's absolutely killing me, ive tried to set up around 8 stealth accounts in the last year and all get restricted, i purchased an account from the seller forum here about 5 months back and that got restricted within 2 days and i only logged into the account once and did nothing else, seller wouldn't replace as said it was my fault for using dedicated i.p from i.p burger, anyway..

A user on here commented on a post yesterday saying...

''They look at operating system, web browser, cache, cookies, fonts installed, resolution, audio devices, name, address, phone number, bank accounts.''


How true is this? Because im trying to figure out why i can't seem to make a stealth account, many people here say a new user is enough, then there's other stating about hardware etc and should get a new pc or laptop?


Wait, who said that the issue is the IP?

kendalljenner 02-15-2022 11:45 PM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
they check a bunch of things but don’t tell you.

rsot 02-16-2022 07:28 AM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ebayStlealth300 (Post 1185041)
I got 16 ebay accounts all on same computer, different user accounts and browsers.
No promblems yet for over 5 years now.

Nice experience - what about the MP side? all in same real info?

richest 02-16-2022 09:10 AM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Now this review process is becoming more and more mysterious, not the logic of normal people's thinking

SaiJin 02-16-2022 02:35 PM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Foundation wise we know what they check on, but also throw in some random review for whatever reason.

kendalljenner 02-16-2022 10:43 PM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
i’m dealing with the same issue too man.

l0ner 02-17-2022 07:13 PM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
You can also try changing your behavior from a set of predefined pattern

Roy3805 02-17-2022 07:31 PM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Best to learn from past mistakes. Whatever is not working try a smarter approach

SaiJin 02-17-2022 07:56 PM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by l0ner (Post 1185215)
You can also try changing your behavior from a set of predefined pattern

This is correct, but it's really not easy to change a habit.

One way is to share what he's been doing and we can point out what not to do

jamthedeejay 02-19-2022 05:30 AM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaiJin (Post 1185052)
Wait, who said that the issue is the IP?

That was a user called DUAB, who was selling UK Ebay accounts in the seller section around 6 months ago but he took it down since, think he still sells others. 1 of the mods here got in touch with me i sent him the chat logs between me and the seller, they spoke to him, he messaged me saying if i amend my comment on here he will send me another account but he never did. He literally delivered me the account, i used a dedicated proxy from i.p burger instead of a residential proxy as a mistake, obviously did new pc user , new browser etc and logged into the account to check it was ok then signed out did nothing, 3 days later when i logged back in the account was suspended, seller said it was my fault for using dedicated proxy and not residential proxy and can offer me another account for £100 as a bad luck offer. It's put me off risking buying any more accounts

jamthedeejay 02-19-2022 06:27 AM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Creation Steps

- New User On PC (in name of account i'd be registering just incase)
- Disable flash player cookies
- Sign up on ebay in family members name who has not registered on ebay
- New phone number
- new uk bank account not used on ebay
- Personal account registering not business account
- Personal Hotspot Mobile Phone to PC for i.p (ensuring i always unplug my ethernet cable before logging into that user)

I would sign up for personal seller account and list 1 item which i usualy put up a t shirt as thats what im wanting to sell, the design i put up is definitely not copryighted it would be a simple design such as a 'I'm Dave Doing Dave Things' T Shirt, i don't take a photo of the shirt, i use a photo ive made on photoshop, i list the t-shirt in sizes S-2XL, i do not go crazy on filling in the information for the tshirt as i want it to make it seem like i am a new seller, so description etc is very minimal no html or anything like that. the image would be exiff cleaned to erase any data, i don't list the same name item as ive listed on an account before, after 1st listing you get the initial suspension so i phone them up and get that initial restriction lifted, i do nothing else on the account except log in and browse ebay etc, then not to long after i get the 'we noticed a risk to the community etc etc permanantly suspended'

No i don't build any browsing history on the accounts or anything before signing up, i do watch a couple of items and browse for abit to act 'normal' but this after i've signed up as a seller.

jamthedeejay 02-19-2022 06:38 AM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Over the last year though i've tried a few different things, such as keeping all above the same but listing a dvd as auction that ive taken a photo of rather than buy it now and using a stock photo, same thing happens. I've used chrome and firefox same thing happens, ive tried personal and business accounts same thing happens.

Which is why i was asking the question regarding as to what ebays system actually checks, because if it does actually check fonts / audio devices then my system would be pretty unique as i've got a pretty expensive soundcard for music production, ive got over 4000 fonts installed for graphic design, ive got a dual monitor set up, new I9 processor etc my PC was custom built. so if they do see all this then my PC will definitely cause a flag because its not like a 'normal' person buying a DELL pc from pc world and not doing a great deal on it (such as having the standard fonts installed, the normal audio devices)

For my next attempt im thinking to try on my laptop but formatting it before i do.

rsot 02-19-2022 08:06 AM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Might want to do something else as an initial listing instead of t-shirt - go for something household item or similar

Roy3805 02-19-2022 05:50 PM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
All you have to do to solve it is.. Create a new user account on windows

phoenixdown 02-20-2022 02:57 AM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Also, does anyone recommend services like textnow: https://www.textnow.com/

e2free 02-20-2022 04:51 AM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jamthedeejay (Post 1185335)
That was a user called DUAB, who was selling UK Ebay accounts in the seller section around 6 months ago but he took it down since, think he still sells others. 1 of the mods here got in touch with me i sent him the chat logs between me and the seller, they spoke to him, he messaged me saying if i amend my comment on here he will send me another account but he never did. He literally delivered me the account, i used a dedicated proxy from i.p burger instead of a residential proxy as a mistake, obviously did new pc user , new browser etc and logged into the account to check it was ok then signed out did nothing, 3 days later when i logged back in the account was suspended, seller said it was my fault for using dedicated proxy and not residential proxy and can offer me another account for £100 as a bad luck offer. It's put me off risking buying any more accounts

That's crazy, they can't really say to remove comments to get account, reach out to jamesnorth if account is not working you should get full refund no matter what

rsot 02-20-2022 06:26 AM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phoenixdown (Post 1185422)
Also, does anyone recommend services like textnow: https://www.textnow.com/

Hit and miss - like many of those numbers are rehashed/reused

jamthedeejay 02-20-2022 11:10 AM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by e2free (Post 1185430)
That's crazy, they can't really say to remove comments to get account, reach out to jamesnorth if account is not working you should get full refund no matter what


Yeah that was the guy i spoke to, he got in touch with seller and seller said to me if i remove the comment i made on his seller post on here he'll replace the account. Anyway that's long gone now haha

Will attempt another new account this week see how it goes

thepianoman 02-22-2022 01:09 PM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yankee (Post 1184645)
I believe you need real details. Name, DOB must match. In the USA is is a bit more than that now. We use separate computers for most accounts these days. It works for us. If we are starting accounts, portable browsers and modify fingerprinting.

Hey so if I use my same computer what is the way to go. Can you give a basic example. I don't want to buy more laptops that seems impractical.

thepianoman 02-22-2022 01:12 PM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaiJin (Post 1185052)
Wait, who said that the issue is the IP?

SaiJin, what is the simplest way to get separate accounts using same computer? What do you recommend. I always thought different user names and browsers were enough.

Roy3805 02-22-2022 06:42 PM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thepianoman (Post 1185741)
SaiJin, what is the simplest way to get separate accounts using same computer? What do you recommend. I always thought different user names and browsers were enough.

New Windows User + Firefox that’s it. Use hotspot or IP Burger for IP

SaiJin 02-22-2022 07:30 PM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thepianoman (Post 1185741)
SaiJin, what is the simplest way to get separate accounts using same computer? What do you recommend. I always thought different user names and browsers were enough.

Well it's exactly that. . . .

CobraBear 02-22-2022 11:25 PM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
What to do when they request I.D. and proof of address before lifting a new account restriction????

Roy3805 02-23-2022 04:36 AM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Send the documents as they request. No way around docs. You maybe can get some made but your account will stay restricted until you satisfy ebay

rsot 02-23-2022 05:18 AM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy3805 (Post 1185789)
Send the documents as they request. No way around docs. You maybe can get some made but your account will stay restricted until you satisfy ebay

Correct - no way around it

Camaro2SS 02-24-2022 01:08 AM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Lol I can’t believe no one is talking about HWID. It’s not just your IP or whether it’s real identity but your hardware. You can be opening accounts using the same hardware. There is a serial number that’s being calculated for your HWID.

okzune 02-24-2022 01:45 AM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Camaro2SS (Post 1185854)
Lol I can’t believe no one is talking about HWID. It’s not just your IP or whether it’s real identity but your hardware. You can be opening accounts using the same hardware. There is a serial number that’s being calculated for your HWID.

Yes this is very important.

rsot 02-24-2022 05:11 AM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Camaro2SS (Post 1185854)
Lol I can’t believe no one is talking about HWID. It’s not just your IP or whether it’s real identity but your hardware. You can be opening accounts using the same hardware. There is a serial number that’s being calculated for your HWID.

This serial number would go out?

Roy3805 02-24-2022 05:59 AM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Different user accounts can only do so much, I agree. I’m still getting suspensions. Literally nothing else you can do to change your fingerprints without looking suspicious is multiple devices. That would be expensive. Different users seems to be the most efficient option. I was thinking multiple operating systems from same PC. Or even installing each Operating system on seperate hard drives, even though you will still share same hardware.

l0ner 02-24-2022 12:27 PM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy3805 (Post 1185874)
Different user accounts can only do so much, I agree. I’m still getting suspensions. Literally nothing else you can do to change your fingerprints without looking suspicious is multiple devices. That would be expensive. Different users seems to be the most efficient option. I was thinking multiple operating systems from same PC. Or even installing each Operating system on seperate hard drives, even though you will still share same hardware.

I have done different browsers before same user but I only opened a seller account after a few month.

SaiJin 02-24-2022 01:09 PM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Doing that in reverse so 1 browser but a separate user account is safer, Ion.

thepianoman 02-26-2022 05:56 PM

Re: What does Ebays system check exactly?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy3805 (Post 1185768)
New Windows User + Firefox that’s it. Use hotspot or IP Burger for IP

Does it have to be firefox. What if I have seperate windows usernames and use chrome browser. what's so special about firefox when it comes to this "fingerprinting" thing.


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