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ebay UK sending sales data to HMRC
 

Hello all, time to accept the inevitable.
Clearly I can’t ask this on the ebay forum, but what are those with high selling private accounts in someone eses name going to do when ebay UK start sending sales data to HMRC next year?
Converting to a business isn’t an option and I’m getting increasingly nervous about simply chancing my arm and ignoring it.
I’ve left it as long as I can, time to formulate a plan before the year end and any advice you can offer would be greatly appreciated.

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Are the people who's information you are using know what you are doing? If so then they should have thought about the tax implications before giving you permission.

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Welcome to the forum OP - all the best as you master stealth :thumb:

if these people owe money,$$ from her Ebay linked bank account could be seized.

You should be able to find information from Ebay UK

IRS can also ask for seller sales history from AMZN,EBAY.ETSY.Paypal.
So can FBI,DEA,US customs office and your local police

Back to the original question if my understanding is correct. I'm seriously thinking of simply ditching my bogus ebay accounts and going 100% legit unless anyone has an angle I've not seen.
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Good idea.

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So the HMRC will be targeting every eBay seller? There are about 18 million eBay sellers on ebay UK. Or will they be only looking at large volume sellers? And if so, what would be that volume threshold?

''UK plans to force tech companies to report sellers’ income to HMRC
Proposals requiring digital platforms to hand over data to taxman will affect up to 5m British businesses ''

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ebay and amazon have been sending data to HMRC for years , it is more about other less mainstream platforms

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If your turnover on eBay UK is low on a personal account you have nothing to worry about.

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OP, what are your total sale amounts (degsey69 alluded to this)

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There are limits that eBay requires you to make a personal account into a business one, these are the ones that HMRC are more interested in and data passed on, eBay can show their due diligence in making high sales account into business ones.

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you don't know what you are talking about , HMRC have had access to ebay data for many years , at least since 2000's

they can investigate anyone they want for any amount but it is obvious that only some sellers would be it , who it is no one knows and there are certainly no fixed limits

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I did read on eBay policy that they can force you to open a business account once you reach a certain limit

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The only person who does not know what he is talking about is you. The amount of misinformation that you have given out has been tremendous Hank is always calling you out as you do not know what you are talking about.

Yes they can investigate anybody t.hey like, but it’s the circumstances that lead them to start an investigation that counts. If you are a low number sales on a personal account the likelihood of being investigated is low. EBay has limits they do not make public, which they will ask a seller to go to a business account if the turnover gets high. Read all the threads on here stating that eBay has asked them to convert to a business account and withhold payment.

Next time you write something make sure you know the facts because it looks like you make stuff up.

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personal accounts do not have a low number of sales by default , you are the one spreading false info here , even more false than hank

the limits for private accounts are very high before they get asked to upgrade to business , it is tens of thousands of pounds at least

how do I know that? because I have such accounts myself

you better go and write about the IRS , maybe you will have more luck there then with the HMRC

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I am not talking about selling limits, you do not read the threads, it’s about when your sales has reached a certain level which makes you a target for taking your account from personal to business, also I am have a registered company in the UK and I have dual nationality and with considerable experience with HMRC going back over 30 years.

I am an old dog like Hank who has forgotten more than you will ever know.

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if you are so experienced do not spread false info here as the limits for account upgrade are not related to the HMRC at all

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Sorry for the late response and thank you to those who replied.

I have googled and googled for hours on end over the years trying to find any evidence of ebay sending sales data to HMRC and cannot find any and why I have continued on regardless. The impending law change is the first and most meaningful proof it will happen and why it has attracted so much attention.

All I can find is HMRC asking for info on specific sellers in order to send out Online Marketplace Status check letters but I do not think they are currently simply handing over sales info of all sellers. Surely it would be common knowledge and the question of Data Protection would have been discussed.

Can the poster above who said it's been happening for 10-20 years give some links, I can't find anything.

If true then it could be argued that I should carry on regardless because all my account info been going to HMRC anyway! (pretty certain it hasn't).

Back to the original question if my understanding is correct. I'm seriously thinking of simply ditching my bogus ebay accounts and going 100% legit unless anyone has an angle I've not seen.

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all major marketplaces were pressured into providing access to seller details many years ago , this does not apply just to HMRC

the story with letters is exactly it , they were coming in waves and this started years ago as the letters had been sent due to direct access to ebay data

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seems dubious - source?

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Yes it would be nice to get the source of the claim?

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it needs to be searched in older news , back in late 2000's and early 2010's ebay and amazon were forced by the EU to provide access , they had initially refused but had to give in eventually in order not to be liable for tax evasion , they were even describing a software which was specifically made for tax authorities to search these marketplaces , in germany it was called XPIDER that I can still remember

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Nothing found about Xpider for early 00s and 10s

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Still not convinced that ebay have been legally obliged to send all sales figures to HMRC, I can find absolutely nothing. Isn't that why the changes are happening?
I hope not now they have a link to my real identity via the bank accounts I've added.

How would it work if I buy an account as I'm getting nervous about next years changes. Am I jumping out of the frying pan into the fire?

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From what I’ve gathered they are only sending information across from January 2024 onwards so sales before this date are not being sent over. However, I am a small seller. Surely they are chasing those who are running a business from a personal account selling large quantities, constant sales and large sales figures. As someone stated earlier there are millions of eBay users, it seems odd they would hand over sales figures for sellers making around £8,000 a year? Then again who knows? I am the same as you though slightly worried about making any sales from January onwards I guess ill just wait and see

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On Italy or Germany eBay send information about sales to Tax agency after 2000 EUR )

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normal to be nervous but make sure you understand stealth

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what about changing stealth account details to your UK company?

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The eBay forum is a joke anyways, this is the best forum to ask real questions so ask away.

I'm not a UK expert but basics wise you can read them in the stealth guide.

I'm sure the other UK expert members here can help you more than me

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by 'understand' do you mean adding legitimate bank details to an account created with a stolen identity. If so then yes, I do understand because I'm doing it now and it's time to stop knowing what's round the corner.

I was trying to ascertain if the accounts sold here do the same, create them with stolen ID and we have to add legitimate bank details.

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you don't use stolen identity for stealth - you use madeup info...it is possible to operate without being hit with an ID request. if you're looking at big volume of sales then you will need to figure out about business operation vs personal

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I was under the impression that they did a soft credit check and the days of imaginary names and addresses were long gone.

So much conflicting info on this forum????

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Not really pal, just spend time reading the right info.

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erm....okay. How does that work? So do you know if they do a soft check (mentioned many times on the threads I've read) or is the poster above right and any old made-up info will work?

Can anyone shed any light on how a purchased account is created?

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Can you tell me which conflicting info you've been saying and who said what?

I'll clear it up if I have more details form you

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You click on the search forums at the top of the site and search for what you want to find out. You then ascertain what you want from there.

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Thank you for editing the above post @Saijin, I didn't know whether they were being sarcastic and condescending or just plain stupid.

I simply want some clarification as to whether bogus names and addresses will work as one of the posters above suggested or whether they had to be real as it has been suggested that they do a soft credit check and will eventually ask for ID.

I know it will be a trade secret and I understand that, but can anyone suggest how the account sellers create accounts?

Anyhoo, whilst I do not believe ebay are currently sending sales data to HMRC I have decide to temporarily suspend my name-sensitive accounts sand am looking for ways to operate legitimately and buying one is an obvious option once I've got my head around the pending data release info.

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Same problem and in Greece (EU).
After 30 transaction the Ebay will be send Tax Report to Tax authorities.
First time this will be happen Jan 2024 for the year 2023.
I closed me 3 stores to avoid problems...

I think not solution (?)

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Look up DAC7 which is a EU directive which HMRC is complying with, how much we do not know, all I know is that if eBay passed on all info to HMRC over a certain amount, they do not have the resources to chase every single penny that may be owed to them.

It is different in the USA as a 1099 is issued by eBay which is attached to your tax account by your Social Security number or EIN by the IRS and if you do not declare the 1099 they are on your back about it.

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apologies

apologies for any confusion - there are some differences between the country platforms

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I agree, there is no way that HMRC have the means to investigate all the data.

I just don't want to be in the list which their software selects for investigation.

Unless of course they employ another 87,000 agents like they have in the States to chase the poorer paid members of society whilst big business is paying little or no tax. But that's another story.

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I don't think any softchecks are necessary here.

they will simply request UTR or NINO for UK sellers (my assumption), and if you can't provide it - you can't sell.

And UTR/NINO can't be random numbers