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thank you for you opinion and advice. unforunately i tried this, earlier today, i offered to refund 30% to the buyer and said he could keep the item. this immidiately satisfied him. which only confirmed to me that he is scamming me. because if he really did recieve the incorrect item, why on earth would he take only a 30% refund on a very expensive item. on top of that he claiming the item he recieved is practically worthless to what he was supposed to recieve. so of course any extra profit or amount would satisfy him. because of the high expense of the item 30% was as high as i am willing to go. i am more concerned now with starting from scratch and am already working on that with stealth accounts and starting there. I am getting no where with the buyer. my concern now is what paypal is going to do to resolve the neg balance on the account as funds will not be recovered.

unforunately taking a loss or blow to the chin as you say is simply not an option for me. i was banking on these funds. it will cripple me. this is a very expensive item. its just not an option. even 30% is to significant. so if i have to take it up the rear from paypal and hear it from them so be it. i just want to know how far they are going to go or what their options are so im prepared ahead of time. if push comes to shove ill come to some type of settlement agreement with paypal, if they choose to re imburse the buyer for the full purchase, however i dont think they are going to cover it because it is a good chunk of coin. Maybe a small portion. Whos to say, its a mess. It could just end up in my favor and go away. but i need to know if i would be obligated to cover the full cost if they rule in the buyers favor. or what happens if i dont. because i simply cant. its not an option unless i recieve my actual auction item back from the buyer, then all could be squared away.

Is the Paypal account under your Real Info? Do they have your SS#?
If you don't pay back the negative balance paypal will close your account and put it in collections. You will be getting calls from the collection agency. After they make a certain number of failed attempts they will send it to the legal departments where you will get notices from the Paypal Lawyers and and it will go on your credit for 7 years.

The collection agency will not agree with a discounted settlement. They will expect you to pay the full balance owed. But if it goes to the Lawyers you probably may have a chance to come up with an agreed settlement.

From experience I paid my balance when it got to the collection Agency stage because it was my Real Info. Even though my paypal account was never reinstated and I was never permitted to use paypal again. I looked at the big picture and I needed my good credit record.

BooMer

thank you, that was the type of answer i was looking for. someone who has had a similar experience. is this basically a guranteed process that happens, and yes the account is all legitimate info. so again, this is basically guranteed to happen? they are going to go through all the work of hiring attorneys, and they are really that capable of ruining someones credit, when its just a matter of one persons word against another, how could they do such a thing in such a scenario, when their is no concrete proof or anything valid what so ever to validate the buyers claim? what is so stop buyers from all over the world from doing what this guy is doing? well thank you.

Firstly, Kingfish I feel sorry about your expereince.

I think I got one solution in case that the buyer really sends you the book/or any item that you didn't send him/her very first.

First, ask the buyer send you back the item via registered post. When the postman delievers the item, don't ever sign it. Ask the postman to ship the item to your nearest post office. Tell them you are going to collect it later.

You will then go to the post office, collect the item and sign your name with a Witness that has some kind of authority (e.g. police officer, bank manager, lawyer, etc). You then open the box at the spot, under the witnessing of the post office staff and someone with authority and then inspect the item. If it is the identical item that you sent him then I think the case can be closed.

If it is really a BOOK, you now have at least 1 witness that can proof that the buyer really sent you an item that you never expected.

Well you may want to ask, who the hell is gonna proof that I DID NOT send the BOOK to the buyer at the very beginning? I think this is a little bit tricky here. What I can think of is the WEIGHT OF ITEM on your receipt that may be your proof. I think you still got your receipt on hand which was issued by the post office when you first sent the item. Say it weights 500g. If the item that you received from the buyer weights more than that (say 1.5kg) that it can be a proof that the buyer is trying to scam you.

However, one may argue that, hey what if the scammer sends you a book/stone/broken harddisk/whatever that weights around 500g? Well in this case I don't think weight can be used as a proof anymore.

Just my 2 cents. :) Please keep us updated.

Also, I think you may consider videotaping the whole inspection process in the post office. Just make sure you inform the post office staff and any witness that comes with you beforehand. It should increase your credibility and bargaining power to some extent.:)

kingfisher and ringstar have same ip? OMG what a schizo.....he made a user, just to back up his own point! He talked to himself and thanked himself..ahahaha...

in my job blah blah...sounds like one of those guys who tells people he is the SAS and its a secret, when really he is mall security...

DellDell, very good point regarding weight :cool:

What I am curious about is how old is account OP sold this from and what is the feedback, DSR record?

oompaloompa, first off, your ignorance is amazing. it didnt possibly occur to you that ringostar could possibly be a friend of mine.. say ohhh i dont know, a roomate??? ..thanks for your ignorant and pointless post oompa, while their was no need for it, i will say nothing more about it. i will ask you this however, because you see someone on the street, who looks like their in raggidy clothes, does this make them a bum? another common misconception and insult people make towards people because they go on the obvious. just cause something looks a certain way, isnt always what it may first seem. think on that.

thanks delldell, these are some very good ideas you gave me here, i like your point, i mean who the hell is going to prove that i sent a book? i mean how can they prove something like that. how can they validate making me pay the money back and ruining my credit all based on the simple word of one person. your right. you had some other ones as well that i plan on doing if and when he sends this item back. im definently going to have some people present, as well as photos taken and recording it. i will have a postal service employee or manager or some sort witness the inspection of the item as well. as for the item, it is very valuable but also very small. it weighs near to nothing. so what i will actually be getting back is a similar item that weighs near to nothing. basically the same thing, but worthless in value. because he is claiming it is a different item worthless in value. the account i sold this from lyda is 5 years old. i have over 100 dsrs and a feedback rating of 98% . however how far of a reach can paypal get to me delldell, i mean really if their unable to recover funds they should only be able to do so much to me other then shut my account down. they cant just go around ruining peoples credit at will can they? solely based on the word and claim of a buyer?

but yea, weight wont be any part of my claim, because i am confident hes going to send pretty much the exact same item, nearly exact, but basically a knock off and cheap version of the item. so weight will be the same. while i see no idea how i counter this, and for them to prove this guys claim, i dont see how they can prove it either. you are right it is a very very tricky situation. its a bloody mess. i guess the next step is just waiting for the item to be returned it should be here on monday. i will let you know what happens then. i dont really know what happens then or where things go from there. but i know no one is getting a dime out of me unless i get my real item back. if they go after my credit paypal that is, then that would just be an absolute travesty. if they do this every time a buyer has some absurd claim. this situation i have completely lost my faith in ebay. while i realize people like this are rare, and you get them every now and then, it just really sucks.

I knew youd come back and talk to me.....you got your room mate to answer, even better....couldnt even change your ip and make the post less obvious...luv it, stick around......I write plenty of useful answers to posters, but youve got an attitude, so you are just fun to point and stare at....

more ignorance. so i take it you never think before you speak? you just run with the first thought your little feeble mind gets dont you? much like a rodent. my roomate introduced me to these forums and my roomated posted on his own free will. and we run a proxy as our home page on every internet source. everything is run through a proxy you knit wit. and not just 1. but various browsers and proxys. and all i see in all your posts are pompous arrogant and not helpful responses to users. unless their a subscriber or vip. lol, oh im fun to point and stare at am i ? you know who else finds amusement in such things and points and stares at people for no reason? people who are mentally impaired. are you also mentally impaired oompa? probably, we've already established you have a feeble mind. thanks again, for another pointless post. keep em coming. are you gay as well by chance? because what straight guy watches the devil wears prada? not that their is anything wrong with being gay. just curious. lol . really, i welcome anyone who has anything intelligent to say in response to the OP, it would be appreciated. rather then just recievieng more pointless banter.

ahhh more ignorance i see. first off, every home page on every internet access point is a bloody proxy server. my ip is constantly reset and constantly changing. everything is ran through an ip. so i dont have to bloody worry about changing anything. it just so happened that my roomate who introduced me to this forum happened to be on the same proxy browser as i, you ignorant knit wit. do you ever think before you speak? or do you just run with the first thought your feeble mind gets, much like a rodent? dont worry, ill stick around, im not going anywhere. keep making pointless non helpful posts all over the forum. the only people i see you helping are fellow subsribers and vips, if their not one of those then all you have to say are generally pompous non helpful answers. you find me funny to point and stare at do you? well hmm. do you know what other kind of people like to point and stare at things that have no reason to be pointed at or stared at? those who are mentally impaired, we've already established you are feeble minded, are you mentally impaired as well oompa? also might i ask, if you are gay? because what straight guy in the world watches the devil wears prada? not that theres anything wrong with being gay. im just curious lol. i welcome anyone and would appreciate anyone who has anything intelligent to say in response to the OP. it would be appreciated. as for my attitude oompa, it is only the people like you, who leave ignorant and pointless posts that make me that way. so you force me to point out your ignorance. dont leave pompous and arrogant posts, and you wont get an attitude. i dont expect or demand help from any of you. however i thought thats what this forum is about? however, i dont expect arrogant and non helpful posts, because their is just no need for such.

This thread is horrible, any chance mods can close it?

it would be fine, if people such as oompa could post constructively and positively rather then making pointless ignorant statements. i am still having the same issue, and it has still not been resolved, and their have however been other users who have been very helpful such as lyda and delldell, and i thank you for your advice. so i would request the thread be left open until the matter is resolved. for now on if people such as oompa should choose to continue to post such ignorant and pointless responses they willl just be ignored on my behalf. thank you.

Oompa is one of the most experienced members on here and usually has really good advice.

The reason that Oompa posted above is because for one you are being punchy in your posts and because you are setting up other accounts to join in the foray.

I doubt the will get all the help that you need if you keep taking potshots at other members. My advice would be not to do that as you will only make it hard on yourself.

The members on here are not stupid and the setting up of another account just makes you look a bit daft.

Chill, everyone on here helps each other, but this help is built on mutual respect and trust.

1. i dont care if oompa is the "more experienced" user, he has no more experience in ebay and paypal then i do. i have been a seller for quite a few years. oompa didnt post his ignorant statements because i was being punchy in my posts he posted it because he saw something greenbean said , so he hopped on the bandwaggon. ontop of that, i wasnt being punchy until people started giving me pompous and non constructive non helpful responses. third, i have already explained the issue of me and another user having the same ip. their is nothing to prove such. that is a lenghty and wild accusation to make, and theres nothing to support it other then the fact that me and another user have the same ip, what its not possible that two people who live together and use the same forum posted on the same thread? good lord. this is the only issue i am having with ebay and paypal and the only issue i have ever had. aside from this i dont need any help, i came here to share my knowledge and help others, but most of you are making it very difficult to do that publicly, so i will just share my knowledge and help users privately while you people who want to be pompous and arrogant can miss out on secrets and information that i know, and you dont. i hear your advice, and sadly that part i cannot take, because i refuse to allow other users be d bags, and take their arrogant responses and then just say nothing. i dont need bloody help from people if their going to be wankers. and you are yet another person joining the bandwaggon making a ignorant accusation of something i didnt do.

no matter how experienced at anything you may be, it doesnt give anyone the right to be a douche. as you can see by the posts, he clearly for no reason at all, felt obligated to call me a schizo, and make false accusations and ignorant statements towards me for no reason what so ever. other then a post he saw greenbean make. and yet you stand by his side faithfully.. why? because thats what you subscribers and vips clearly seem to do regardless of the matter or situation. your like a little possy. lol. cant even bring up an issue im having without getting all these rehotorical and punchy posts, as you would say.