Buyer threathening for selling something ⊗⊗⊗⊗! blackmail?!

[OfficialGenius]

Originally Posted by gibsonton

I hate to play Devils Advocate but if you are selling something that is suppose to be authentic and it is not ,your really no better than the person giving you a hard time..i was in a similar situation over a item and just gave the buyer the item . i had this happen years back and finally realized it was a road to nowhere and once again when paypal starts reporting to the irs in 2011 in the US you better have a backup plan for paypal accounts cause you are not gonna get one without a valid ss number .

Good thing we have Paymate! As far as the new ruling, how will it affect existing accounts? Looks like someone's going to have to make a thread in preparation for this.

[jeffweico]

Originally Posted by OfficialGenius

Good thing we have Paymate! As far as the new ruling, how will it affect existing accounts? Looks like someone's going to have to make a thread in preparation for this.

It all depends on how PayPal implements this.

They MUST comply with the new regulations, they have no choice. So, they have to decide how to implement this at the lowest cost to PayPal.

The new rule states that only sellers with more than $20,000 and 200 transactions have to be reported.

So the issues for PayPal are:

1) Do they get everyone's SSN upfront, or do they only require sellers who meet the new criteria to divulge their SSN's? Which costs less?

2) In considering #1, how many users who will not meet the threshhold anyway will not want to do business with PayPal if they have to divulge their SSN? There are MANY LEGITIMATE reasons for not wanting to do so.

3) If they require the SSN's upfront, does it have any other benefit to PayPal? Maybe in fraud loss reduction?

So, the powers that be at PayPal will meet to discuss these issues. Each person will probably have their departments estimate the cost and effect of each scenario, so they will have numbers to discuss.

At the end of the day, they will do whatever costs them less, be it in employee salaries (someone would have to manage the process of getting the SSN's from individual sellers), lost business (it they just make it a requirement of all users upon signup), and then also taking any positive benefits into consideration.

That is how businesses operate. Everything is a financial decision.

I don't know the internal working of PayPal, so this is just a guess - they will only require sellers meeting the threshhold to divulge their SSN's. Why? Because they are probably a small number of accounts.

I also think that many, if not most, sellers already report their income, so I doubt the IRS will get as much of a lift out of this as they are hoping to.

Just my opinion...

[gibsonton]

from my convesation with paypal you will have to give yout ss# up front or your fed tax id if a business to get a account , its not gonna be that difficult for them as most merchants require a tax id for a business anyway ..what the irs is going to be looking for is the seller who reports they grossed $15k in 2010 and than they get a nice statement from paypal for 2011 showing $150k .. those are the ones who be red flagged for a audit ..and most probaly dont report the correct ebay income thats why they are doing this ...as far as extra expense that will be passed on to us i am sure.

[slapped]

Originally Posted by jeffweico

It all depends on how PayPal implements this.

They MUST comply with the new regulations, they have no choice. So, they have to decide how to implement this at the lowest cost to PayPal.

The new rule states that only sellers with more than $20,000 and 200 transactions have to be reported.

So the issues for PayPal are:

1) Do they get everyone's SSN upfront, or do they only require sellers who meet the new criteria to divulge their SSN's? Which costs less?

2) In considering #1, how many users who will not meet the threshhold anyway will not want to do business with PayPal if they have to divulge their SSN? There are MANY LEGITIMATE reasons for not wanting to do so.

3) If they require the SSN's upfront, does it have any other benefit to PayPal? Maybe in fraud loss reduction?

So, the powers that be at PayPal will meet to discuss these issues. Each person will probably have their departments estimate the cost and effect of each scenario, so they will have numbers to discuss.

At the end of the day, they will do whatever costs them less, be it in employee salaries (someone would have to manage the process of getting the SSN's from individual sellers), lost business (it they just make it a requirement of all users upon signup), and then also taking any positive benefits into consideration.

That is how businesses operate. Everything is a financial decision.

I don't know the internal working of PayPal, so this is just a guess - they will only require sellers meeting the threshhold to divulge their SSN's. Why? Because they are probably a small number of accounts.

I also think that many, if not most, sellers already report their income, so I doubt the IRS will get as much of a lift out of this as they are hoping to.

Just my opinion...

Nice post for Sure, but it is the wrong thread

[gibsonton]

Talked to Paypal today and they gave me some general information ..the rep told me from what she has been told they WILL BE GETTING THE SS# Upfront on all new accounts as they will not wait for you to pass the limits as they know most -would than just close the paypal account and never give the number and they would than not be in compliance.... also if they do not have your ss# now you will be required to give it to them in 2011 or your account will go into some type of freeze untill they get it ..maybe someone else can call and see what they tell them ..

[pod]

Originally Posted by gibsonton

you will be required to give it to them in 2011 or your account will go into some type of freeze untill they get it ..

Dark days are coming :(