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Question about the impact of Unpaid Item Cases
 

I've got a question about Unpaid Item Cases, from a buyer's standpoint (and if it effects my selling at all)

Is there any negative impact to having an Unpaid Item Case opened on something I purchased if I pay for the item within the 4 days? I know one will get strikes if they don't pay for the item within the 4 days, but is it like nothing happened if I do pay?

Hypothetically, if I buy 40 items a month, and don't pay for them until cases are opened, does that seem like something eBay would consider to be indicative of a risky account?

Finally, does your behavior as a buyer impact your ability to maintain a good selling reputation?

Thanks in advance!

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I hate buyers like you:mad:

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I don't plan to do anything like that at all... My wife is concerned about an item she bought. We want to wait until I get paid Friday to make payment. The seller could potentially open an Unpaid Item Case around midnight tonight (Wednesday). She's concerned that we're putting our whole seller account at risk if this were to happen. I've done reading and not been able to find anything about a negative impact, so long as you pay for the item before the case can be closed 4 days later. I'm just trying to get a second opinion. We normally pay for purchases right away.

I do want to be very cautious, as I'm running a psuedo-stealth account, and only have one at the moment.

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Just message the seller and let them know when you will make the payment. I have unpaid assistant so i dont need to worry about opening and closing unpaids, but if a buyer messages me and lets me know when they will pay i turn it off for their transaction

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This is a seller's forum. First you claim this is just to help your wife, but you ask some asinine question like this also?

You won't find any help here for crap like that unless you want to get ripped a new a**hole.

You are fishing for more than just helping your wife who likes to bid on things she can't afford.

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Not really such a thing - it is either stealth or not - why do you call it "pseudo-stealth"?

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I did not claim that. My very first sentence in the original post clearly stated that I had a question the impact of UICs from a buyer's standpoint, and its effect on my selling account.

Rip me a new a**hole and call me asinine all you feel you must. I'm a big boy and can ignore a bully if I want. I still don't know the answer to my question, just because you cursed and called me names.

I have read through eBay policy, and have searched these forums as well as others. Plenty is out there on UICs where no payment is rendered and strikes. The topic of if UICs have any impact when the item is paid for is something I haven't come across. Therefore, I came to the place where people with a lot more experience than I do discuss eBay to find out if anyone has any insight I haven't encountered.

I'm not fishing for it, I'm straight out asking for it, thanks.

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I understand that this is best practice, however my question was more about understanding what eBay looks at and finds risky. It was more of a hypothetical question than anything. Thank you for the advice though

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My original EB & PP accounts went down like 2 years ago. Since then I have gotten a new bank account, phone number, and moved to a new address. So everything is legitimately in my name with my info, but not linked to my old accounts.

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gosh what a pointless thread. u wasted 3 min of my life. u owe me! :rant::attention::rant:

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Tread carefully. If you have your SSN on file for both Paypal's, you will be linked eventually. A few years ago before I learned about stealth I moved and did the same thing you did. The new account did fine for a while. Sold $24k over about 8 months. But then boom, out of nowhere, accounts linked and selling limit reduced to 0/0.

If I were you I would be getting some "full stealth" backups ready, so you are still able to sell when/if your new account is linked to your old one.

Regarding your original question, I don't think it would be a good idea to make a habit of buying things before you're ready to pay. I can't say for sure if it would have any impact on your selling account, but it's a major hassle for the seller you're putting off until payday.

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Yes, thank you pahz0rz, I know better than to use my SSN on the new ones. It was compromised when my old accounts went down.

The other major question I have is what to do about that. I have a Sole Proprietor EIN. I am trying to figure out if I should go ahead and add it, as I have read that it is too late (to upgrade to a business account) once PP requests tax info.

It is questionable as to whether I would sell enough to trigger the PP tax request. In preparation though, we are going to do the same thing with my wife's info and bank account. We haven't figured out what to do about the physical address though, because if it is the same as mine I believe it risks being linked with my new one.

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I hope they do shut down your account....

Doesn't sound like you're very successful anyways, if you don't even have the money in your PayPal account to cover the items you're bidding on....

Maybe you should focus more on building your eBay business rather than buying things you can't afford.

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WTF?!?! Just stay out of the thread if you're just going to talk **** to the OP. You have no idea who this person is or what kind of situation they are in. 2 years ago my finances were tight just like OP's, now I run a profitable business thanks to HELP FROM PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM. The OP is obviously a n00b. It's pathetic for you to harass him/her knowing damn well you did not always run a profitable business. YOU were a n00b at one point also. I do agree the guy is doing something annoying by putting off unpaid orders, but that is not a reason to dismiss him outright and call him a failure. DO NOT POST IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO CONTRIBUTE. YOU, AND OTHERS LIKE YOU, ARE RUINING THIS FORUM.

EWhendo- You might as well go ahead and give them your EIN if you had it made just for that account. If you do not get 200 sales AND 20,000 in sales, paypal won't send out a 1099. But it's also worth noting that it's not impossible to add an EIN once they request it. You will get two emails from paypal requesting your tax ID before they limit your account. As long as you supply your EIN before they limit your account, it's fairly easy to upgrade to a business account. If you put it off too long and they limit your account, it's still impossible to upgrade. But at that point you will have to call in and get them to manually add the EIN. Which can be tricky because they can be pesky about getting an SSN from you.

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Thanks Phazorz... you rock.

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[QUOTE=phaz0rz;746905]WTF?!?! Just stay out of the thread if you're just going to talk **** to the OP. You have no idea who this person is or what kind of situation they are in. 2 years ago my finances were tight just like OP's, now I run a profitable business thanks to HELP FROM PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM. The OP is obviously a n00b. It's pathetic for you to harass him/her knowing damn well you did not always run a profitable business. YOU were a n00b at one point also. I do agree the guy is doing something annoying by putting off unpaid orders, but that is not a reason to dismiss him outright and call him a failure. DO NOT POST IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO CONTRIBUTE. YOU, AND OTHERS LIKE YOU, ARE RUINING THIS FORUM.



Calm down buddy, you're going to pop a vein.

If you read my post, you'll see I did give some VERY valuable advice:

Live within your means, and focus on making $$$.

This is good advice for ANYONE, PERIOD, no matter what their situation.

The OP just needs to hear it more than most.

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Sad thing is ebay does not do hypotheticals....

Marks/blemishes on accounts can be taken and used later even if an account is in good standing.

Messing around with buying issues should be avoided.

:peace:

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UGGH YOU'RE AN IDIOT, I HOPE THEY SHUT DOWN YOUR ACCOUNT, YOU'RE NOT SUCCESSFUL, I HATE PEOPLE LIKE YOU, HOW DARE YOU POST THIS, READ THE FAQ OMG C'MON, YOU SCUMBAG

Oh but hey buddy, here's some valuable advice I'd like you to have... :3 !

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Nice post, too bad most of what you listed I never said. :peace:

It's called "tough love". You can kiss OP's butt all you want, but he needs to get his priorities straight, period.

:focus:

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Can someone please answer this...

How on earth does 1 unpaid case translate to 40?

There is a BIG difference between a NOOB and a DUMB question.

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solefoodbk

READ the posts!

Hypothetically does not work when ebay/paypal are involved....

:pop2:

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A quick review of OP's history shows the first post they ever made which stated they had an EB/PP account "go into the red" and also a statement that they can't get a real bank account unless it was a "second chance" account.


So yea, something tells me our special little OP has serious financial issues and now wants advice on burning sellers on EB. But yea, let's treat everyone like innocent little babies on this forum.

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My instincts are usually right on point, and this was no exception.

Everyone here defending OP: You aren't doing him ANY favors. He NEEDS a good kick in the rear to knock some sense into him. He obviously has zero financial intelligence, and babying him won't teach him anything. Just like the people who are on Welfare, "oh it's so sad, we should help them." No, give them an education, and give them a job. None of this "free stuff" or "buy now, pay later" crap. Earn your keep.

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Ah ok - understood. Did you provide the same birth date as that of the old account?

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Nothing wrong with getting tough on someone when it's necessary, but I'd like to think there's a well defined line between insulting/bullying someone vs serving up some tough love. I can't see--in any situation-- when the former is an actual productive response, rather than an emotional, bitter ...or dare I say... uneducated response because you're not capable to get your point across otherwise? :juggle:

I must point this out because, it's very true, A LOT if not ALL of the advice you give is golden, I love your posts myself... I just don't understand why it's often packaged in a passive aggressive fashion, if not downright aggressive. The ones you're replying to are far less likely to take anything you say, and that would be a shame. There's a difference between being the alpha male and being an asshole, bruv.

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My view can be summed up as such:

"There are no dumb questions---only dumb people."

When someone is trying to find a "shortcut" to success, be it through selling phakes, shorting sellers, scamming others, or anything else, I have little patience.

I was there once, that attitude that I could get by without putting in the effort. It took me years through trial and error to see how stupid my idea to skip the hard work was. I WISH someone had come along and told me just how STUPID I was, how ARROGANT it is to think you're smarter than everyone else who's doing things the "right" way. Because if someone had given me that information, maybe I would have listened. But we'll never know, because no one told me that I was an idiot. I had to figure it out on my own, and because of it, wasted years and missed lots of opportunities.

Perhaps OP can learn a lesson from this, perhaps not. Hopefully though, when others look at this thread, they see that the short term gain often leads to long term pain.

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Wow.

There are a whole lot of assumptions flying around like crazy in this thread, geez.

I can certainly admit that I had a period in my life durning which things went sour between financial establishments and myself. My wife became seriously ill after our daughter was born, which caused this to occur. However, were one to exercise some reading comprehension skills, they would see that I never said that I was unable to afford the purchase in question. What I said was "we want to wait until Friday, when I get paid." I can see how it would be easy to jump to the conclusion that many of you did, but that doesn't make you right.

I have an Architecture degree from a school consistently ranked as one of the top in the nation for my field. I am employed in a firm that works in high-end residential architecture just outside Washington DC. I'm doing just fine, thanks. I'm not asking for handouts and I'm not looking to burn buyers. If you would continue to look into my previous posts, you would see that I am trying to re-establish a single account for normal household use. I may undertake a second account, but it is doubtful I will need to based on the 200/20k marks.

So, GoA, while I so dearly and deeply appreciate your concern about needing a "good kick in the rear" to address my "zero financial intelligence," I will decline your heartfelt altruism for the moment. Thanks so very much for the offer though!

I get that eBay doesn't do hypotheticals... I was hoping the Aspkin forums would. I get that it is best not to mess around with buyers issues, and that other accommodations can usually be made with the seller, I am not trying to deny or circumvent that. I was hoping re-posing my question as a hypothetical would help clear that up.

I also get that marks and blemishes can be held against an account in good standing later. That is why I am trying to find out if anyone knows whether a UIC that later gets paid counts as one of those marks.

I don't remember off-hand. I don't believe that I did. Is it better to give one that wouldn't match my old account?

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Maybe it is just me, but if I have not got the money to pay for something when I make an offer to buy, then I don't bid on it.

If you bid on an item, but decide you wish to wait til the Friday you get paid, before you complete the transaction, then it DOES mean either you can not afford to pay, or your a ****, or both.

I don't go into the local supermarket and say, 'These bananas look lovely, I would like you to take them off the shelf and make them unavailable for others to buy, I will probably pay you in the next 7 days-ish'. Sounds a totally stupid way to act doesn't it?

That is though exactly what you have done.

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So IF you could afford the purchase in question, why would you need to wait until Friday, and why would the fact you get paid on this day even be relevant?:rolleyes:

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This.

If you're so successful, with your brilliant education and high-paying job, why is it so hard to pay for an item when you buy it? Why are you living paycheck to paycheck? I got news for you: Financially successful people don't live paycheck to paycheck.

If you need it now, but don't have the cash today, get a credit card. You pay no interest if you pay it off in full during the grace period, usually 30 days. Very simple.

If you knew better, you'd do better.

Simple as that. I suggest picking up some financial advice books, a good one to start with is "Rich Dad, Poor Dad".

Best of luck to the brilliant, successful, highly paid professional who lives paycheck to paycheck. :rolleyes:

I do not live paycheck to paycheck. Continuing to rant about assumptions you've made is simply a waste of your time. The desire to wait to make payment has to do with what accounts our funds exist in and the fees associated with moving those funds, as well as the way I recieve my paycheck.

To elaborate on your metaphor Realdeals, I do not go into a grocery store and bid on the aforementioned lovely bananas, and wait to see if anyone outbids me for them. Now even if I did expect this particular grocery store to operate in the way you described, then we would need to consider the store's posted policy, that if I do ask for the lovely bananas to be put aside, then the store manager can take official action to ensure my payment between 2 and 31 days from when I asked that the lovely bananas be put aside. Perhaps it doesn't make me the greatest customer to put the manager in that position, heck it might even make me multiple asterisks. And if you do think it makes me multiple asterisks, then that is absolutely bully for you. It does not, however, negate my desire to know whether this official action has any impact on my management of my own lovely banana shop, nor my belief that it would be best to ask a group of very experienced lovely banana shop managers if they have any knowledge they may be willing to share on the subject.

I will likely cease playing into your misinformed flame war after this post, such that the thread can get back to topic.

Love,
-E

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To answer your question and put this thread in the grave:

ANY negative marks, notes, strikes, etc that is recorded on your account, can and will be held against you in a court of law.*

*Kidding

Seriously though, anything negative on your account is saved and stored on eBay servers FOREVER. At any point, a rep or bot reviewing your account can see this information, and use it to decide the fate of the account.

In short, if YOU were an eBay rep, and saw an account had a history of having unpaid item cases opened, would this make you more or less likely to suspend the account?

There's no hard and fast answer for this, as GreenBean said, there are no hypothetical situations with eBay. But you only need to know basic human psychology to draw a very probable conclusion. Doing what you described can only work AGAINST you. Just like when you fail to pay your bills on time, your credit rating takes a hit (which you're already aware of), when you don't pay for items on eBay in a timely manner, it will NOT reflect well on you.

Will you be instantaneously suspended overnight? I doubt it. But when a rep or bot calculates your risk/value to eBay, rest assured, their athogarithms will take everything into account.

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Risk of hypotheticals is they cross to supposed facts in some cases.

Users may not want to admit in open forum they suxed as buyers & sellers. That needs to be taken into account too.

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i suck at buying and selling

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Who cares?

:pound:

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If you pay before the case closes then no harm.

I have automated setting so if you pay now or 1, 2 etc. days after case is open makes no difference. Ill take the money anytime you want to provide it.

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In general, I agree, but if an account has a history of waiting until cases are opened before paying (40+, as OP mentioned) I highly doubt eBays algorithms aren't going to consider that. It would be akin to a consumer waiting until they get their first letter from a collections agency before paying any bill---in short, a high risk, irresponsible customer.

Thank you guys for providing some reasonable answers. I appreciate it.