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muzzie 05-19-2021 11:46 AM

MP situation for EU accounts?
 
So, how it is going with the creativity with MP? EB seems giving hard times for US and UK users, but how about EU?

murdered_by_ebay 05-19-2021 12:19 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muzzie (Post 1154201)
So, how it is going with the creativity with MP? EB seems giving hard times for US and UK users, but how about EU?

This is individual for each country , I think ebay will check government databases for all countries where adyen is accepting payments. I expect weaker checks with payoneer

muzzie 05-19-2021 12:35 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay (Post 1154204)
This is individual for each country , I think ebay will check government databases for all countries where adyen is accepting payments. I expect weaker checks with payoneer

Not sure how they plan to do it in small countries like Latvia where there is no way to check ID unless you are a bank registered in Latvia.

Aguero 05-19-2021 12:37 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muzzie (Post 1154210)
Not sure how they plan to do it in small countries like Latvia where there is no way to check ID unless you are a bank registered in Latvia.

Same here in BG. We'll see very soon.

murdered_by_ebay 05-19-2021 12:41 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muzzie (Post 1154210)
Not sure how they plan to do it in small countries like Latvia where there is no way to check ID unless you are a bank registered in Latvia.

Latvia will not have adyen though. I have been payoneer customer for many years and I know for a fact they use face recognition software and regularly ask suspicious customers to send in selfies holding passport , sheets of paper with specific text etc.

this is pretty much the kind of checks you can expect to see in countries outside of adyen's scope

muzzie 05-19-2021 12:44 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguero (Post 1154211)
Same here in BG. We'll see very soon.

I've just checked our public register, they offer to check ID number only. And they just say if it is valid or not - no possibility to check any other details.

muzzie 05-19-2021 12:45 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay (Post 1154213)
Latvia will not have adyen though. I have been payoneer customer for many years and I know for a fact they use face recognition software and regularly ask suspicious customers to send in selfies holding passport , sheets of paper with specific text etc.



this is pretty much the kind of checks you can expect to see in countries outside of adyen's scope

Wrong. Latvia is moving to MP in May. Tomorrow is deadline to update account details and then they will roll out MP invites.

murdered_by_ebay 05-19-2021 12:59 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
will latvia have adyen or payoneer?

murdered_by_ebay 05-19-2021 01:07 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
anyway , as far as Latvia and any other country is concerned. If there was a message saying that your deadline to check your details is the 20th of May because MP will be rolled out soon then it will be payoneer , I know people who received this for various countries , even exotic ones

muzzie 05-19-2021 01:11 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay (Post 1154219)
anyway , as far as Latvia and any other country is concerned. If there was a message saying that your deadline to check your details is the 20th of May because MP will be rolled out soon then it will be payoneer , I know people who received this for various countries , even exotic ones

Seems to be Ayden. However no any clear info about it as for now. Still waiting for updates.

murdered_by_ebay 05-19-2021 01:16 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muzzie (Post 1154220)
Seems to be Ayden. However no any clear info about it as for now. Still waiting for updates.

it is highly unlikely it will be adyen , they sent this message specifically to those countries where payoneer will soon kick in. it will be interesting to see what kind of onboarding payoneer is gonna have here because with their other business on amazon etc. there is no credit card risk involved while here it is not clear who will be taking the risk . there is hint where payoneer or adyen will be used because MP for payoneer will be run from ebay office in Moscow and various messages show Ilya Kretov as signatory because he runs all ebay operations on emerging markets

sax4 05-19-2021 01:16 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muzzie (Post 1154216)
Wrong. Latvia is moving to MP in May. Tomorrow is deadline to update account details and then they will roll out MP invites.

There isn't one deadline for all, it depends on your account.

For example if you start selling on a dormant account now, you will get a message in the next few days saying to register by something like 25th June

muzzie 05-19-2021 01:37 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sax4 (Post 1154222)
There isn't one deadline for all, it depends on your account.



For example if you start selling on a dormant account now, you will get a message in the next few days saying to register by something like 25th June

Anyway, waiting for tomorrow. As that uncertainty is killing me.

Aguero 05-19-2021 01:46 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muzzie (Post 1154224)
Anyway, waiting for tomorrow. As that uncertainty is killing me.

BG is moving on MP im May too. Bank account or Payoneer will be the payout options, as the email states. But, nobody knows here which one will be chosen one. I wouldn't be Neo :)

viableopposition 05-19-2021 11:53 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muzzie (Post 1154210)
Not sure how they plan to do it in small countries like Latvia where there is no way to check ID unless you are a bank registered in Latvia.

I think they'll figure out a way to do that.

ilcarletto 05-20-2021 02:35 AM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muzzie (Post 1154201)
So, how it is going with the creativity with MP? EB seems giving hard times for US and UK users, but how about EU?

I had no ID check so far using Payoneer on Italian account. Mismatched name seems not to be a problem.

Aguero 05-20-2021 02:54 AM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ilcarletto (Post 1154302)
I had no ID check so far using Payoneer on Italian account. Mismatched name seems not to be a problem.

Payoneer stealth still possible ?

ilcarletto 05-20-2021 06:51 AM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Payoneer is NOT stealth... is in my name. "creativity" was meant on the eBay side if I understood correctly.

eBay account is stealth not in my name

Aguero 05-20-2021 07:11 AM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Thank you.

If anyone have experience with Payoneer stealth accounts, please share. Many of us will need that when registering on MP EU.

muzzie 05-20-2021 07:20 AM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguero (Post 1154353)
Thank you.



If anyone have experience with Payoneer stealth accounts, please share. Many of us will need that when registering on MP EU.

I had a lot of success having stealth Payoneer. However, they give EU iban only by a request. And I have no clue how to make such request recently. As there is no any way to send a ticket about it to him - everything is replied automatically by robots. And phone call is not available - they say it is only for accs with non-zero turnover.

Aguero 05-20-2021 07:33 AM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muzzie (Post 1154355)
I had a lot of success having stealth Payoneer. However, they give EU iban only by a request. And I have no clue how to make such request recently. As there is no any way to send a ticket about it to him - everything is replied automatically by robots. And phone call is not available - they say it is only for accs with non-zero turnover.

I have this bank details on my real Payoneer account:

Wirecard Bank AG
Bank address - Einsteinring 35 85609 Aschheim, Germany
BIC - WIREDEMM
IBAN - DE...........................
Bank country - Germany

I found these contacts, haven't tried them yet:

1) International: 1-646-658-3695.

2) Live Chat: payoneer.custhelp.com/app/chat/chat_launch.

3) Web Form: payoneer.custhelp.com/app/ask/ E-mail: to CustomerServiceManager@Payoneer.com.

muzzie 05-20-2021 07:46 AM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguero (Post 1154357)
I have this bank details on my real Payoneer account:



Wirecard Bank AG

Bank address - Einsteinring 35 85609 Aschheim, Germany

BIC - WIREDEMM

IBAN - DE...........................

Bank country - Germany



I found these contacts, haven't tried them yet:



1) International: 1-646-658-3695.



2) Live Chat: payoneer.custhelp.com/app/chat/chat_launch.



3) Web Form: payoneer.custhelp.com/app/ask/ E-mail: to CustomerServiceManager@Payoneer.com.

Thanks! They stopped giving that wirecard iban when it went south. They started offering citibank iban later, but only by request. Contact info above is wonderful!

Aguero 05-20-2021 08:00 AM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muzzie (Post 1154360)
Thanks! They stopped giving that wirecard iban when it went south. They started offering citibank iban later, but only by request. Contact info above is wonderful!

Thank you! I hope it works!

@Guys, Anyone made stealth Payoneer account recently, selfie ID reqiuered ?

muzzie 05-20-2021 08:44 AM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguero (Post 1154361)
Thank you! I hope it works!



@Guys, Anyone made stealth Payoneer account recently, selfie ID reqiuered ?

Never ever they asked for a selfie. But that was few months ago. Nowadays - no idea.

Aguero 05-20-2021 09:07 AM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muzzie (Post 1154364)
Never ever they asked for a selfie. But that was few months ago. Nowadays - no idea.

Hope it's not common to ask for that kind of verification on EU accounts. December 2019 post:

https://community.payoneer.com/en/di...t-approved-yet

murdered_by_ebay 05-20-2021 09:16 AM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
with payoneer a lot depends on the country , the less reliable the country the more checks there will be

I fear however that checks for ebay will be stricter than for usual payoneer accounts because someone will have to deal with the credit card risks otherwise the partnership between ebay and payoneer will fail.

Several years ago payoneer had the same kind of partnership with amazon and it failed within a year due to massive abuse. At first payoneer was heavily advertised within seller accounts on amazon and later on they completely removed it. The risks are high indeed because light identity checks on payoneer for ebay would open the door to fraudsters who would be selling on ebay withdrawing to stealth payoneer and running away

muzzie 05-20-2021 09:25 AM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay (Post 1154369)
with payoneer a lot depends on the country , the less reliable the country the more checks there will be



I fear however that checks for ebay will be stricter than for usual payoneer accounts because someone will have to deal with the credit card risks otherwise the partnership between ebay and payoneer will fail.



Several years ago payoneer had the same kind of partnership with amazon and it failed within a year due to massive abuse. At first payoneer was heavily advertised within seller accounts on amazon and later on they completely removed it. The risks are high indeed because light identity checks on payoneer for ebay would open the door to fraudsters who would be selling on ebay withdrawing to stealth payoneer and running away

Lets hope for the best. Payoneer is big and maybe will just eat frauds as profit from legit activity is still huge.

diamond13 05-20-2021 12:28 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Hi everybody.

So, if I understand it.

In UK = you are have verification via bank account = thatīs mean, your name on ebay account need be the same like on the bank account.

I read, here in forum, that exist guy, who successfully verified his UK stealth account with stealth name and DOB and address.... only IBAN was real!!!

If our EU stealth account = will be have this verification ( I think via bank ), it will be easy and just we need change our stealth name on our real name and we are can keep stealth address and dob and all + real bank account.

But question is: What I need do, because my 3 EU stealth accounts have time to end today 20.05.2021. And I no have idea what I need do !!!!

I must change my stealth names on real names? ( and will be, if I get payoneer verification ???? I will be need verified 3 accounts on the saem name with different addresses?)

Or, I keep this stealth names and what will be, if I get verification via my bank account? Because name on my stealth ebay not be the same like on my real bank account.


Can somebody say answer for it?

And about payoneer = will be accepted stealth documents?

PLEASE HELP with this questions, any experience with this is GOOD for me.

murdered_by_ebay 05-20-2021 02:28 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
I have asked a colleague from China how this works with the new payoneer system and this is the process:

once you have an invitation you will be able to create a new payoneer account or connect an existing one to ebay

then you will need to synchronize payoneer with ebay , during this process ebay will pull your personal data from payoneer and replace the existing data with the new data

then you will be asked to add a credit card as backup payment method on ebay

then you will send a request to payoneer through ebay to be verified by payoneer

after that it will be taking several weeks until you receive a request from payoneer to upload documents

once the documents have been uploaded payoneer will check them and possibly ask for additional information , this may take several weeks as well

once your account is verified payoneer will let know ebay that you can receive payments and MP will be activated then

murdered_by_ebay 05-20-2021 02:30 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
basically it is similar to adyen and here everything will depend on the payoneer verification , if it passes you will be receiving all funds in USD on payoneer , if it does not pass your ebay account is toast

newstart123 05-20-2021 02:32 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muzzie (Post 1154220)
Seems to be Ayden. However no any clear info about it as for now. Still waiting for updates.

same in lithuania

murdered_by_ebay 05-20-2021 02:34 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
another interesting thing here is that you apparently need to be verified regardless of whether you open a new payoneer account or use an existing payoneer account

this may mean that payoneer will be working differently from paypal where you could simply open a paypal account and connect to ebay without any special verification or disconnect one paypal and connect a new one.

here there seems to be mandatory verification for any payoneer account being connected to ebay and also automated data exchange to make sure the personal data on ebay and payoneer are identical

Karlis96 05-20-2021 02:39 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay (Post 1154413)
another interesting thing here is that you apparently need to be verified regardless of whether you open a new payoneer account or use an existing payoneer account

this may mean that payoneer will be working differently from paypal where you could simply open a paypal account and connect to ebay without any special verification or disconnect one paypal and connect a new one.

here there seems to be mandatory verification for any payoneer account being connected to ebay and also automated data exchange to make sure the personal data on ebay and payoneer are identical

Then better to use any other IBAN, not payoneer ! And then you dont need to wait weeks !

murdered_by_ebay 05-20-2021 02:49 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
IBAN will be allowed only where adyen is running MP , I think in almost all countries it will be payoneer only

diamond13 05-20-2021 03:52 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay (Post 1154410)
I have asked a colleague from China how this works with the new payoneer system and this is the process:

once you have an invitation you will be able to create a new payoneer account or connect an existing one to ebay

then you will need to synchronize payoneer with ebay , during this process ebay will pull your personal data from payoneer and replace the existing data with the new data

then you will be asked to add a credit card as backup payment method on ebay

then you will send a request to payoneer through ebay to be verified by payoneer

after that it will be taking several weeks until you receive a request from payoneer to upload documents

once the documents have been uploaded payoneer will check them and possibly ask for additional information , this may take several weeks as well

once your account is verified payoneer will let know ebay that you can receive payments and MP will be activated then

OK, but is possible create payoneer with stealth names and address and doband etc = all the same stealth info what I have in my ebay account?

Thatīs is really important!!!

Or It will be better change my stealth name on real name ?

Or if I change it and keep stealth address and dob and etc....

It will be works?

THANK YOU FOR ALL HELP INFORMATION.

I have las 1 hour for change it in my account.

murdered_by_ebay 05-20-2021 04:34 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by diamond13 (Post 1154428)
OK, but is possible create payoneer with stealth names and address and doband etc = all the same stealth info what I have in my ebay account?

Thatīs is really important!!!

Or It will be better change my stealth name on real name ?

Or if I change it and keep stealth address and dob and etc....

It will be works?

THANK YOU FOR ALL HELP INFORMATION.

I have las 1 hour for change it in my account.

they are not asking to change all details but to check if the country is correct and change the country. my best guess is that verification will depend on the laws of each individual country so they want to make sure that people are registered in the correct country

RedPill 05-21-2021 05:14 AM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
In the UK the name check service is called "Confirmation of Payee"

But with certain banks at least you are allowed to opt-out.

So what happens is your bank will tell Ebay that they cannot confirm the name with the microdeposits.

What happens then I don't know, maybe it will just go through and maybe not.

VeryVERO 05-22-2021 08:26 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay (Post 1154204)
This is individual for each country , I think ebay will check government databases for all countries where adyen is accepting payments. I expect weaker checks with payoneer

ebay, Adyen and the like are private sector and don't have access to personal data kept by Authorities.
No way to check ID data with Authorities.
That's why when you open a Bank Acc. the Bank asks for all this info. If they could have it they could use that data and just do a face control with you.

At least that is within EU countries, Switzerland and some other countries soon to be in EU where personal data are greatly respected.
The only way to cross examine them is if a person consents for this with Authorities. Absolutely no way around it. And i have to say i don't know of any such case nor the possible existence of such and authorization or procedure.

There is one way though that one could use to determine whether you exist or not or whether data given correspond to real person's data and that is the VAT number which is unique and easy to verify whether it exists or not. In some cases if that person or economic entity has an international activity, one can verify the name, address etc with VIES very easily.
But if it's just a person with no international economic activity (declared) or no declared activity at all then that person's VAT can't be verified whether it belongs to that person or not.

When it comes to VAT numbers, they are not sequential, they have their last digit a "check digit" but there are VAT number generators on-line available i believe:typing:
But the VAT is a unique identifier.

The other fact (as some users have already correctly said in other threads) is that when you make a Bank transfer that transfer hasn't got a feedback for you, it's a one way thing. Meaning if you write down the name misspelled, it will nevertheless go through as long as the IBAN is correct. Of course if you give a wrong IBAN the transfer wont go through at all and will give an Error.
So when the IBAN is correct the money is transferred but you don't get a feedback of whether the name was correct or if and when the money arrive to the recipient.
That is the situation here in Europe with Banks in the SEPA area.

One can verify the name of the recipient if he sends a SWIFT. In such case if there's an obvious difference (not just a misspelled name) the SWIFT may bounce if the recipient's Bank decides so.
Of course SWIFT are used if you go to the Bank in person (at least from what i know until recently) it can also happen when an ACH transfer is made.
But there's no need for SWIFT or ACH in SEPA countries.

Additionally, from what i know and what i've seen in Adyen site, they ask for an ID number and not your ID scanned.
At least that's if their info is complete.
But even if they ask for your ID scanned, they can't verify the name of the IBAN.

Another thing is they can't verify your address. (Again i'm talking about EU countries). Some clearing houses / Merchants can verify given address with address on file but that's for Card payments, not IBAN transfers.
And Adyen is going to make Bank transfers. Please don't confuse the two methods as they are greatly different.

So the conclusion should be that Peter Pan could use the IBAN of Mickey Mouse to receive payments from Adyen / ebay.
Unless something change drastically in the near future, i believe the above facts will remain unaltered.
But have in mind Covid19 have set thing in motion and countries start to utilize the power of information technology, increased computing power and networking speed and thus start to link sectors that had been obscured for decades.
I hope i helped some

murdered_by_ebay 05-23-2021 12:33 AM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
I wish it was this way but it is possible to check addresses and id's in many countries. for example the UK offers a gateway to check validity of driving licences and passports against the government database. addresses can be checked as well easily in various EU countries incl. UK , Germany and Austria. In italy they can check codice fiscale and in Spain the internal ID number. And this is only what I know of

VeryVERO 05-23-2021 03:29 PM

Re: MP situation for EU accounts?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by murdered_by_ebay (Post 1154775)
I wish it was this way but it is possible to check addresses and id's in many countries. for example the UK offers a gateway to check validity of driving licences and passports against the government database. addresses can be checked as well easily in various EU countries incl. UK , Germany and Austria. In italy they can check codice fiscale and in Spain the internal ID number. And this is only what I know of

Do you have links for those services?


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