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Aguero 04-11-2017 10:06 AM

German seller eBay stealth
 
Hello guys,

I want to set up a German account and it should look like a German seller. I read a lot of threads here about it. Thanks to all of you. I am worried about Schufa check. I am thinking about two ways i can probably do it.

1. Make an account in .de with Bulgarian address and IP, and after some time and seller feedback i will move it to Germany /change the address and IP to German/ .

2. Make an account in .de with Bulgarian address and German IP, after some time i will change the address to German.

3. I have no option to find real German name, address and DOB to match Schufa data.

I'll be glad to hear your opinions.

Thanks in advance

vetus 04-11-2017 11:23 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
I would go with the German account with a Bulgarian address - you can if done correctly come up with some nice limits doing it this way.

Using real information isn't really the best way to go as you will end up burning someone elses identity on eBay.de

HUBPOZ 04-11-2017 12:05 PM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Schufa probably not required, it has nothing to do with stealth ip and cleanliness rules. How do you have a legitimate bank account, and paypal personal or stealth is probably enough.
But i do not know :)

Aguero 04-11-2017 12:17 PM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vetus (Post 841382)
I would go with the German account with a Bulgarian address - you can if done correctly come up with some nice limits doing it this way.

Using real information isn't really the best way to go as you will end up burning someone elses identity on eBay.de

Do you think after moving account to another country there will be extra verification ? I don't know is it eBay save address history. It is important to me to look like a German seller. I hope non Eastern European name will make them believe it is a German lived in Bulgaria and back in Germany.

I think using real info is not good idea too.

Thanks

Aguero 04-11-2017 12:24 PM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HUBPOZ (Post 841386)
Schufa probably not required, it has nothing to do with stealth ip and cleanliness rules. How do you have a legitimate bank account, and paypal personal or stealth is probably enough.
But i do not know :)

Schufa check is required imo. You can read some nice threads here on the forum and here : http://pages.ebay.de/help/account/schufa-help.html /in German/.
I don't know how to have German bank account. I am in Bulgaria. To have a German dedicated IP is not easy i think. I don't know what VPN service to choose. Do you have any idea about this two very important points ?

Thanks

HUBPOZ 04-11-2017 12:32 PM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
I do not have, I think a lot how to do it,
I do not have schufa, so I also have a problem,
But i can have an address in germany, real,
But the problem is another name on the doorphone.
A friend is on holiday temporarily in Germany and therefore I have an address.

I know that you can create a bank account with a card on the N26, or DKB cash,
There is a problem with the verification by the webcam, but apparently it is more possible to set up a mail account in germany. Before you have to fill out an online application
In the banks.

Since the bank is given an address when assumed this verification paypal should go. But I do not know because I do not have a card yet.

Aguero 04-11-2017 01:33 PM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
I am newbie here in the beginning of learning. May be is better to make thread and ask knowledgeable guys or read other threads about Germany accounts. They are very useful. I read them all twice. When you make a new account in .de they match name, address and DOB with Schufa data imo. I personally recommend to read the Stealth Book.

HUBPOZ 04-12-2017 02:57 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguero (Post 841410)
I am newbie here in the beginning of learning. May be is better to make thread and ask knowledgeable guys or read other threads about Germany accounts. They are very useful. I read them all twice. When you make a new account in .de they match name, address and DOB with Schufa data imo. I personally recommend to read the Stealth Book.


Is there a stealth book outlined exactly how to make a stealth account in germany?

ilcarletto 04-12-2017 03:35 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
No, there is no specific indication for each country but stealth rules applies everywhere.

You have to find a proper "local" tools for your account to start. This is what the forum is also about... sharing experience and suggestions.

Aguero 04-12-2017 03:53 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ilcarletto (Post 841540)
No, there is no specific indication for each country but stealth rules applies everywhere.

You have to find a proper "local" tools for your account to start. This is what the forum is also about... sharing experience and suggestions.

I will be happy to hear your opinion which option is better to make a German account.

Thanks

vetus 04-12-2017 04:43 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguero (Post 841390)
Do you think after moving account to another country there will be extra verification ? I don't know is it eBay save address history. It is important to me to look like a German seller. I hope non Eastern European name will make them believe it is a German lived in Bulgaria and back in Germany.

I think using real info is not good idea too.

Thanks

No not necessarily - plenty of us have moved accounts across before and started selling immediately. You obviously need to contact eBay to do this properly and let them move the account across.

Try it and report back on findings but I would say it can work well.

Aguero 04-12-2017 05:08 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Contact eBay.de before changing address to German correct ? I will be registered in .de and want to try sell there.

I will report for sure.

Thanks a lot

chrisch00 09-26-2018 10:36 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Hi Aguero,
any news here? I am planning to move a uk account to ebay.de

Aguero 09-26-2018 04:08 PM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Hi chrisch00,

Didn't move acc to .de (changing address to German and logging with German IP). I once changed the address in EB to another country without logging from foreign IP with no issues.

If you change your address and log from foreign IP keep your registered sim card in EB, they may call you.

When making German stealth with German address you first find out is there Schufa check or not. I didn't find clear answer.

What is your plan ?

backamblock 10-11-2018 06:53 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
hey guys, did you get through with this topic? where did you get simcards from without ID verification?

btw, if you still have schufa problems, i can help you with that

HUBPOZ 11-28-2018 04:34 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
It takes a long time but it wants it all the time.
I was in Germany to have a report.
I created a bank account.
I have paypal verified with this account.

Now I need 10 comments to deaden the first limits.
I am looking for an idea how to do it.

dachilla 11-28-2018 05:39 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
You don't need SCHUFA. There is no way they can compare the data.

Might be easier for your to make a bulgarian account maybe and then just list on ebay.de

I made an US account and simply listed on ebay.de, works perfect.

HUBPOZ 11-28-2018 06:09 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
How do you exchange a USA account for German?

Is it possible to buy a USA account with the limits from the sellers lifted here and connect to it your real German bank account and paypal?

dachilla 11-28-2018 06:12 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HUBPOZ (Post 960811)
How do you exchange a USA account for German?

Is it possible to buy a USA account with the limits from the sellers lifted here and connect to it your real German bank account and paypal?

You'll need US paypal. But you can sell on german ebay with it. Same goes with bulgarian Ebay and Paypal account. You can just do that, then log in on ebay.de with the respective username and password and start selling

Aguero 11-28-2018 06:34 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HUBPOZ (Post 960811)
How do you exchange a USA account for German?

Is it possible to buy a USA account with the limits from the sellers lifted here and connect to it your real German bank account and paypal?

You want to sell on .de or to look like German seller ?

HUBPOZ 11-29-2018 11:38 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
yes, I have a German address, I am a Pole,
I need to get an account which has already been sold, 100-500 sold.
To have credibility.

My products, I do not sell one with a 0 account sold.

backamblock 12-08-2018 09:18 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dachilla (Post 960803)
You don't need SCHUFA. There is no way they can compare the data.

Might be easier for your to make a bulgarian account maybe and then just list on ebay.de

I made an US account and simply listed on ebay.de, works perfect.


Sorry, but this is WRONG! There is a HUGE Difference!

Please be careful what you say as people might loose their freshly created accounts sooner than they want and also loose money :)

Correct, you do not need Schufa essentially
BUT!!! They CAN and WILL compare Data with the Schufa DB!
Every company can make a request there for a minimal fee!


A valid Schufa entry bypasses eBay phone verification, so you can throw whatever number you want in there.
Plus the accounts are more trusted, which is very important and the number 1 reason to make it with schufa, you just won't get problems..

Also, the more important part:
List 9 items on an 1 hour old account WITH schufa, no problem here

now try that without schufa and not get suspended, good luck <3

backamblock 12-08-2018 09:32 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HUBPOZ (Post 960811)
How do you exchange a USA account for German?

Is it possible to buy a USA account with the limits from the sellers lifted here and connect to it your real German bank account and paypal?

you can only add US bank to US paypal, correct me if i'm wrong but afaik you can not add IBAN..

anyways.. german ebay has much higher limits on eBay.de.. also higher included free listings

rsot 12-08-2018 09:56 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by backamblock (Post 963463)
you can only add US bank to US paypal, correct me if i'm wrong but afaik you can not add IBAN..

anyways.. german ebay has much higher limits on eBay.de.. also higher included free listings

Correct US bank is attachable to any paypal account but for US paypal, only US bank is allowed.

Aguero 06-09-2019 07:43 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
How is eBay.de with the new registered accounts nowadays ? Is there some issues ?

Thank you in advance!

Aguero 06-15-2019 01:46 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Any help will be appreciated.

dachilla 06-16-2019 07:38 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by backamblock (Post 963461)
Sorry, but this is WRONG! There is a HUGE Difference!

Please be careful what you say as people might loose their freshly created accounts sooner than they want and also loose money :)

Correct, you do not need Schufa essentially
BUT!!! They CAN and WILL compare Data with the Schufa DB!
Every company can make a request there for a minimal fee!


A valid Schufa entry bypasses eBay phone verification, so you can throw whatever number you want in there.
Plus the accounts are more trusted, which is very important and the number 1 reason to make it with schufa, you just won't get problems..

Also, the more important part:
List 9 items on an 1 hour old account WITH schufa, no problem here

now try that without schufa and not get suspended, good luck <3

No, you are wrong. SCHUFA does not give out or confirm anyone's personal data.

It's not that you call Schufa and ask them if someones address is correct, and they'll confirm or deny so.

Please read and learn what Schufa does. You are spreading wrong information here.

On top of that you shouldn't list on a 1 hour old account ever.

backamblock 06-16-2019 09:12 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguero (Post 1009355)
How is eBay.de with the new registered accounts nowadays ? Is there some issues ?

Thank you in advance!

I have no problems here, doing batches weekly.
But i heard of some people that they want phone verification now once you try to add the payment method for creating the seller account.
However i have not had this yet and i guess it's due to bad fingerprinting.

backamblock 06-16-2019 09:17 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dachilla (Post 1011342)
No, you are wrong. SCHUFA does not give out or confirm anyone's personal data.

It's not that you call Schufa and ask them if someones address is correct, and they'll confirm or deny so.

Please read and learn what Schufa does. You are spreading wrong information here.

On top of that you shouldn't list on a 1 hour old account ever.

I may have formatted and formulated that post a little bit too dramatic back then.

Still.. ebay checks address infirmation with schufa, and yes they still can do that. They (schufa) can confirm any current and past address a person has if there was ANY kind of contract liek phone/internet or a car loan on that address, or any other kind of link. Maybe a phone nr in a flat renting contract (Think about it, there are US companies who track you more than even Facebook does.. IT has moved quickly.)
There is however information that only banks have access to, this is true. But an address is not Something of this information. Companies can NOT ask schufa what your current address is, they can however send an address to schufa and they either confirm or deny it.

Where did you get that schufa does not confirm addresses and existence of a person? That's the whole point of the existence of schufa in the first place, besides the credit info.
Please explain further on this, this is a very interesting topic for me

I will not go any further into the time between account creation and listing as everything has to fit and it wont work with multilogin/vm/firefox portable
Everybody will have his/her own best practise here

Edit.. with reading it again, your point is very correct indeed, a PRIVATE person like you and me can not do that other thwn for yourself. Companies however can

dachilla 06-17-2019 01:35 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by backamblock (Post 1011374)
Still.. ebay checks address infirmation with schufa, and yes they still can do that. They (schufa) can confirm any current and past address a person has if there was ANY kind of contract liek phone/internet or a car loan on that address, or any other kind of link.

You are wrong here. All they do is confirm weather or not a person has a faulty loan. Example: You ask SCHUFA for Max Mustermann, Musterstr. 1, 6000 Musterdorf

What you (or any company will get back) is: There is a faulty loan under that name or there is no faulty loan under that name. If the name and address given do not exist SCHUFA will still reply there is no faulty loan, they will NOT reply: this person doesn't exist at the given address. Thus the SCHUFA system is not or only in a very very limited way able to confirm an address.
Quote:

Originally Posted by backamblock (Post 1011374)
Where did you get that schufa does not confirm addresses and existence of a person? That's the whole point of the existence of schufa in the first place, besides the credit info. Please explain further on this, this is a very interesting topic for me.

The legal basis for SCHUFA and any other "Bonitätsauskunfteien" are governed in the DSGVO (Datenschutzgrundverordnung). Schufa, Creditreform and all the others... they confirm credit worthiness and not name and address.

Quote:

Originally Posted by backamblock (Post 1011374)
Edit.. with reading it again, your point is very correct indeed, a PRIVATE person like you and me can not do that other thwn for yourself. Companies however can

And you are wrong again. Anyone can obtain information from Schufa if they can show a contract or a power of authority where this is agreed on. So without consent no info to whomsoever. The information is not limited to companies to my knowledge. If you have a source where it says otherwise I'd be interested to know.

Having said this, I am pretty sure, that your creation method and not any SCHUFA info is of essence. I get 1k/10k limits with the accounts I create and always use full stealth details which are definetly not in the SCHUFA (or Creditreforms) database, without the need to upload any documents btw.

However aren't German accounts off the table now, since the German govt started this stupid VAT form (starting Oct 1st)?

backamblock 06-17-2019 06:00 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dachilla (Post 1011590)
You are wrong here. All they do is confirm weather or not a person has a faulty loan. Example: You ask SCHUFA for Max Mustermann, Musterstr. 1, 6000 Musterdorf

What you (or any company will get back) is: There is a faulty loan under that name or there is no faulty loan under that name. If the name and address given do not exist SCHUFA will still reply there is no faulty loan, they will NOT reply: this person doesn't exist at the given address. Thus the SCHUFA system is not or only in a very very limited way able to confirm an address.

The legal basis for SCHUFA and any other "Bonitätsauskunfteien" are governed in the DSGVO (Datenschutzgrundverordnung). Schufa, Creditreform and all the others... they confirm credit worthiness and not name and address.



And you are wrong again. Anyone can obtain information from Schufa if they can show a contract or a power of authority where this is agreed on. So without consent no info to whomsoever. The information is not limited to companies to my knowledge. If you have a source where it says otherwise I'd be interested to know.

Having said this, I am pretty sure, that your creation method and not any SCHUFA info is of essence. I get 1k/10k limits with the accounts I create and always use full stealth details which are definetly not in the SCHUFA (or Creditreforms) database, without the need to upload any documents btw.

However aren't German accounts off the table now, since the German govt started this stupid VAT form (starting Oct 1st)?

seems i got some knowledge to fresh up here.. i'll source up where i got that info from again, it was from before dsgvo tho, so it may be outdated.

what i don't get then is the following however:
my accounts are created by bots, so aside from small fluctuations in the exact timing between things, the creation could be called a "controlled testing environment"
whenever i do an account without schufa it asks me for phone verification after the address entry page, when i have schufa it doesn't

so there still seems to be some difference between the "no bad entries" reply for a person that is known for schufa before the request by ebay and one that was never known there.

i'll have a look into their api documentation, if they have any publicly available. i guess there are different answer codes for both situations, on which ebay bases their decision

for the vat thing, we'll see how it goes. i guess there will be ways around this, question is rather if one is wiling to take the risk to ⊗⊗⊗⊗ info after that. i have not informed myself about this because of little free time yet

Aguero 06-17-2019 08:49 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by backamblock (Post 1011369)
I have no problems here, doing batches weekly.
But i heard of some people that they want phone verification now once you try to add the payment method for creating the seller account.
However i have not had this yet and i guess it's due to bad fingerprinting.

Thank you. I will create an account and will update soon.

backamblock 06-17-2019 09:13 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguero (Post 1011703)
Thank you. I will create an account and will update soon.

wish you the best for your success :)

Aguero 06-17-2019 09:35 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by backamblock (Post 1011714)
wish you the best for your success :)

Best of luck :)

⊗⊗⊗⊗nstein 07-18-2019 09:37 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
How to create a Schufa entry quick and easy?

I also guess that a german account runs better with valid schufa.

dachilla 07-28-2019 07:19 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ⊗⊗⊗⊗nstein (Post 1019883)
How to create a Schufa entry quick and easy?

I also guess that a german account runs better with valid schufa.

it doesn't

rsot 07-28-2019 07:30 AM

Re: German seller eBay stealth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ⊗⊗⊗⊗nstein (Post 1019883)
How to create a Schufa entry quick and easy?

I also guess that a german account runs better with valid schufa.

Welcome to the forum - all the best as you master stealth :thumb:


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