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Very nice! Windows also provides a "fast user switch" capability (has to be enabled to work) to easily switch between user accounts. Keeping the IP factor under control, of course, it creates a nice fluid setup that keeps you protected.

If you go here %appdata%\macromedia\flash player\#sharedobjects, I believe this is where the FLASH cookie is held at.

Will ebay ever possibly just give you new ones if you log in and out enough so they won't call you?

which folder does ebay plant them?

Not sure if you folks want to delete the cookie or save the cookie so eBay can monitor you or not. However if you use IEPrivacyKeeper it deletes the flash cookie for you :)

Does anyone use paypal shipping with the java apps? Can they identify computers threw that?

I'm sorry but all this technical stuff has me totally lost and I wouldn't even know where to look to find these tokens you are taking about. I guess if it comes done to that us who aren't computer savy are eBay out of luck for running multiple accounts.

Just a quick question. I know ebay tracks sellers using all those thing mentioned before but what about if you are just a buyer and have absolutely no desire to sell at all?

Would you have to change your ip and everything else mentioned in the ebooks? I figured maybe they wouldn't track buyers as much as sellers? The worst thing buyers really do is not pay for items which isn't good but sellers aren't out anything as they can even have their fees for the unpaid auction refunded but sellers can collect payment for auctions and not send the items which is much worse.

The only exception would be the stupid nigerian scammers who try to scam sellers by sending ⊗⊗⊗⊗ money orders or by sending the seller a ⊗⊗⊗⊗ paypal letter saying the seller has to give paypal a tracking number before payment can be released and therefore trick the seller into shipping when the payment is bogus but sellers have to be really stupid to fall for that.

As of right now I can still open up buyers accounts without using a credit card because I use the email through my ISP. I have a few accounts. One was suspended today for being linked to a suspended account but that could be one of 2 things. My sister logged into my account last week and then a few days later she was suspended for something pretty friggin minor to everyone but ebay. The other thing which I just thought of a couple of minutes ago might also be what did me in. On an older buying account I had a seller I bought from regularly. I was extremely friendly with this woman. she lived about half hour drive from me. I even on one occasion went to her house to pick up an item. We were friends or so I thought. Well that account got suspended because I had purchased a couple of items from different sellers and then had gotten into a car accident and all my money for the auctions had to pay for the car repairs. I tried contacting the sellers and to them know and was hoping there was a way to work it out. Anyways the sellers could care less and filed NPB reports and I got suspended. I opened up another account about a month and half ago. bought a few things paid for everything. I happen to see the seller, whom I bought from on the other account and whom I was very friendly with, she was selling something I was very interested in but she had a requirement that you had to have at least 10 feedback to bid on her items and I didn't yet have 10 feedback. I sent her a message and explained who I was and that I had just opened a new account and would it be Ok for me to bid on her item since I had bought from her many times in the past and I always paid her and always left her glowing feedback. Well that was probably either last week or beginning of this week. Well I never heard back from her and her auction that I wanted to bid on ended. I wondered why she didn't get back to me but I didn't think too much about it. Then this morning I am trying to log in and it says something about suspended users not being to login. I go to outlook express to read my mail and there was the suspension letter so when I first read the suspension this incident didn't even cross my mind but now that I sit here thinking about it It is very possible this bitch reported me to ebay. I never would have thought in a million years that she would do something like that as we were very friendly. I have learned my lesson though I will not buy from any seller that I have bought from in the past with a now suspended account. What a friggin ebay brown noser. Anyways I am just so friggin pissed thanks for letting me vent.

I've been checking all my seller accounts for a few days now. Didn't get any flash cookie selling on any of the others, just on this one.

IJM, was that any different from your other accounts?

I think I just figured out the flash cookies and when/why they are placed by eBay.

The account I got it on, I logged in with a different dial-up account (different provider, different IP range) than I usually use for this account. And *POOF* that's when the flash cookie magically appeared. On all the other accounts, where I always logged in, and still login, with the same IP range (same provider) I have since the account was created, I never received a flash cookies.

I'm thinking eBay first checks for the IP range. If that is different, it checks your flash cookies and places one on your computer to identify you for the future, in case you use a different IP range again.

Imjustme, where exactly do you see these flash cookies? On your screen as a pop up?

Using Objection from Objection

Making Sense
 

IJM,:) thank you for that answer. So because you did something 'different' with the account you trip something in ebay? I know that sound simplistic but....? trying to work with this matter.:rolleyes:

I just now tried it with another account and was able to duplicate it. I never got a flash cookie on this one, so I logged in with another IP from a different provider and right on the first page after logging in I got a flash cookie.

Great
 

IJM, thanks so much. Your experiment is of great use to me.;)

This is what it looks like in Objection:

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/7...cookieswk3.jpg

I found from experience though not completely sure that buyer accounts generally just get forced on a limit and have to enter a credit card and more personal information to get past buying limits to buy. eBay will suspend a buyer if reported, but ebay's bots seem not to auto-suspend, just limit buying activity or demand a credit card on signup.

Stop Ebay From Tracking You! Delete Your Flash Cookies Now!!
 

I basically found out how to delete these flash cookies from your computer, so eBay won't be able to track you using the same computer.

Go to: Adobe - Flash Player : Settings Manager - Website Storage Settings panel

When you arrive on this page, you will see something that looks like an image, IT'S NOT AN IMAGE! It's an actual list of all the flash cookies that are in your computer and that will stay in your computer! You have the choice of deleting whichever one's you want...

eBay hasn't implemented this policy 100%, so people, get your head's up quick...

Also read how eBay implement this policy: Help with Cookies

I right clicked windows and the settings are not there to remove. Do I need to download something first?

When you get to this page ( Adobe - Flash Player : Settings Manager - Website Storage Settings panel )

There is something that looks like an image that will be right on the page...

It says beneath it: Note: The Settings Manager that you see above is not an image; it is the actual Settings Manager. Click the tabs to see different panels, and click the options in the panels to change your Adobe Flash Player settings.

You should then be able to delete any flash cookies that you want...I am using Firefox and it worked for me... I am not sure about other browsers...

Thanks
I dont use firefox because it slows my computer down so much that I gave up.

I logged into one of my accounts with the same IP range I created it with ...3 times within the same hour and never got a flash cookies. I changed the IP range and logged in a 4th time and there it was. It definitely checks for both the IP range and the flash cookies.

I tried this 'Adobe - Flash Player : Settings Manager - Website Storage Settings panel' and it asked that I install Flash Player. I lowrred my security settings to medium from high, and it worked but showed no flash objects. This was using IE.

So with security on high, no flash objects are deposited?

ESTEBANWT, if you didn't see any flash objects in the control panel, then your computer doesn't have any flash cookies, their probably disabled.

Because you've turned your interest security up high, I don't think your browser accepts flash cookies....

OK ebaylivewithitorwithoutit. Thanks

Holy smokes I got it to work and there ebay was.

After reading what is being said here and reading about the announcement from ebay. I wonder why did they make a "formal" announcement? They made it so obvious. Did they do the samething when they launch their tracking software a couple years back? Maybe I am reading into this alittle to much, I don't know.

Off the subject, how do you make a new profile in Mozilla? I looked high and low, and found nothing.

They have to, for privacy reasons.

What do you mean "privacy reasons"? eBay always likes to violate privacy.

Probably for 'supposed' privacy reasons! I have said it before ebay has to 'act' like they care so these announcements are made. Not that ebay will be honorable.

Just a few questions for anyone to answer. After reading the annoucement from ebay, I thought that this was alittle odd

""If you are a seller, and you attempt to list an item from a different computer – for example, from a PC you are borrowing in a hotel or library – eBay will make an automated call to the phone number you have registered with us to confirm it is really you.""

If I was at a hotel or at a library, so common sense tells me that I am not at home to recieve phone calls.

Would they call me at home if I am on vacation in Rome(I live in CA). I think the this phone call thing really nonsense. I would assume that they are really making things very anal to even list.

And on a side note I did find the nasty flash cookie from ebaysecure in my other computor. Are they riding the fine line of using spyware??

I think their main objective is to catch sellers with multiple ⊗⊗⊗⊗ accounts. And really, you can easily beat that just by making different Windows user accounts. I let them deposit the cookies as they want, I don't care. They're all separate.

ebay cookies in firefox
 

Is anyone else experiencing this? When I go to certain threads, like the vero thread, ebay cookies get loaded into firefox. I see them by going to "options" and "show cookies". Anyone else seeing this?

just to be sure i understand
 

when i log off & then back on & check my Ip... if the ip numbers are different , then my ip adress has changed. I log this info on my excel sheet , if numbers are new ones, never used , cookies deleted, then it is ok to access ebay?
Should I decide to access another ebay account, I log off, delete cookies, log back on , check ip, if different, record this ip , then it is okay to log on to another account?

oooooooooh, gosh, i DID forget about that. thank you. I also found the websites, used your links, for checking ip`s & they also have some good, i think, explanations. I really think it is important for me to understand this, for lots of reasons, if nothing else, it is interesting.

I think I figured out how it is done. Perhaps aspkin.com is using an advertising service which places its ads. The ad company can place some unwanted cookies in addition to the images. See this link for more explanation:

The Unofficial Cookie FAQ

Now I know how I get all those doubleclick.com cookies without even having visited them. Ebay might be pulling the same trick!

While visiting aspkin.com you guys need to check your cookies folder often to see what I mean.

One person on this forum and some others when googling, say that ebay will track the computers. What are the ways of tracking if 2 or more accounts(both diff info) are being used by one computer? Is it the mac address, serial number or some other ways. And if they will be used by ebay, is there a software to change these things.

Nobody except for people on your LAN can detect your MAC address.

hey i got this flash cookie from ebay and its called "secureinclude.ebaystatic.com" o by the way are they any flash cookies placed for tracking reasons on ebay.com.au?