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oompaloompa 05-14-2012 02:19 PM

the mac address you mean - current info is that ebay does not track mac....

karineh 05-15-2012 11:32 AM

ip physical ddress
 
thanks for teh reply,

Yes I found this out

sick-bay 05-16-2012 08:05 AM

Evercookie
 
This is not the definitive answer.

Quote:

Here's the definitive answer:

..............Then quit firefox, which will delete the cookies, and log in again. Although cookies are gone, this second time using firefox the website will claim to recognize your computer.

............. So cookies are definitely part of the answer here, maybe the whole answer.

This needs more research. More data.


THIS is:

evercookie - virtually irrevocable persistent cookies


evercookie -- never forget.
October 11, 2010: Reported on the front page of the New York Times

evercookie is a javascript API available that produces
extremely persistent cookies in a browser. Its goal
is to identify a client even after they've removed standard
cookies, Flash cookies (Local Shared Objects or LSOs), and
others.

evercookie accomplishes this by storing the cookie data in
several types of storage mechanisms (14 places in all) that are available on
the local browser. [Most of these cannot be deleted directly, because they are data embedded in the Operating system and not a file you can see and delete.]
Additionally, if evercookie has found the
user has removed any of the types of cookies in question, it
recreates them using each mechanism available.



1. Read the article.
2. download the javascript code, study it and understand it.
3. edit the javascript code to place random numbers into all those locations. Most of the work is already done by the author.
( simply coming in to ebay or PP with zeroes for all that data kind of singles you out as being a wiseguy ( the same wiseguy as last time - if IP geolocation is used) Anonimyzing technologies only work if enough people use them.

Oh, yeah...... and learn javascript.

A lot of people come to this forum whining about getting caught even with cookies deleted, but fail to mention they installed a toolbar (google, ebay, paypal, yahoo, or ANY toolbar) which effectively gives websites access to hardware data like NIC address, or O/S serial (which also makes your user-swapping scheme useless.).

You can't know just a little bit. You either study and know everything, or you'll be dangerous to yourself.

I'm sorry, that's the reality.

(ASPKIN, you might want to make this persistent.)

sick-bay 05-16-2012 08:29 AM

Incidentally, most users of this forum advocate upgrading to the latest browser as a solution to safer annonimity.
In fact, more recent browsers offer a larger subset of those 14 storage locations, for persistent cookie storage.
Internet Explorer 3 offered just 1. (plain cookies)

4 of those 14 new cookie locations are implemented in HTML version 5 , which is supported only by the most cutting edge browsers, like Chrome 10, Fx 4 and IE8 and 9

look up "SANDBOXIE" a free utility that makes any browser run inside a sanbox (where it thinks it it writing data to the computer, but it's in fact writing to a temporary space that can be deleted.)
also
SAFARI, in Private browsing mode, does the same thing as Sandboxie.
That's an initiative by the late Steve Jobs, aimed NOT at protecting your privacy, but rather at preventing websites from collecting user data, so that at some point in the future, Apple could SELL or charge royalties for getting that data.
Very visionary, Steve jobs, and underhanded as always.

Safari does this as of version 4.0. Keep an installation copy of this, as future versions may exclude this functionality. ( and disable browser automatic upgrades completely)

Don't send me messages, I do not check this forum more than once a year.

levi6482 05-16-2012 02:45 PM

so wot are we saying?? Is firefox still suitable to use without deleting cookies all the time & just switching from one user to the other??

anon5o1 05-17-2012 11:22 PM

Very interesting article on Evercookie with the creator:
The next front in the cookie wars: Fighting the Evercookie | TechRepublic

BleachBits Software (Claims to clean Evercookie):
Download | BleachBit
Note: CCleaner does not remove Evercookie

Killing The Evercookie for Chrome:
Jeremiah Grossman: Killing the Evercookie (Google Chrome w/o Restart)

Killing The Evercookie for Safari:
Killing the Evercookie - Dominic White

newjerseymax 05-18-2012 01:32 PM

I think if this was true then we would be hearing a lot more people complaining about it.... Just sayin

Mr. Invisible 05-19-2012 12:18 AM

I personally use sandboxie rather than separate windows users to silo off each account's browser history. Any account gets suspended and all traces of the browser's history used for that account gets nuked.

raninc 08-27-2012 02:28 PM

i think you need to create new profiles in firefox for every ebay account

shopmadrid 12-19-2012 10:53 AM

i was wondering where does firefox keep the flash lso's and how can you transfer them from one machine to another?
thanks much

HealthyStealth 03-01-2013 10:23 AM

After reading this I would say it sounds best to use safari 4.0 or sandibox in firefox browser.

use both ccleaner and bleachbit after use but before logging off.

And still have seperate windows user accounts to stay ultimately under the radar that little bit more.

O.Michaels 04-08-2013 06:40 AM

Gmail automatically disables flash cookies, right?
You only see them if you want to.

MM78 04-08-2013 11:30 AM

Gmail disables web beacon that are attached to images, not sure about flash, and cookies.

Brainbuster 08-11-2013 10:44 AM

I can't believe this would render the "switching user accounts" moot.
Switching user accounts is what most on here do, to prevent cross-contamination, right?
So is switching user accounts obsolete now?
I would think over 90% of the stealth accounts of ninjas here would be suspended.

Is sandboxie decidedly preferable to switching user accounts?
And another user mentioned using different "profiles" within Firefox browser...no switching user accounts at all.

There's an add-on for Firefox called BetterPrivacy...it deletes any or all LSO's.
Does always logging into an Ebay account with zero LSO's raise red flags? Or is having zero LSO's a feature of a good portion of regular Ebayers, so Ebay doesn't care. If Ebay doesn't notice our having no LSO's, then I think I'd rather just have that add-on automatically delete them all on entry into and exit from the browser...within the same user account.

levi6482 08-11-2013 01:09 PM

As far as I'm aware & referring back to the stealth guide. Logging on & off to different user accounts is highly suggested. Also keeping all cookies is suggested.

I'm not 100% sure what LSO's are so can not direct you on that.

ArtDecoDiva 09-20-2013 06:17 AM

Re: Recognizing your computer via cookies? IP? Flash Objects? - New proposed EBAY pol
 
I actually came across the forum because I have been researching a question similar to this regarding Craigslist.

I have no technical knowledge whatsoever, but I have put a number of bits and pieces together and I keep coming up with MAC address.

From what I understand, each individual machine you use has a unique MAC address - PC, laptop, smartphone. (I can look up my Android MAC address in Settings > About Phone). So even though I use them all from the same IP address, each can be individually identified through it's MAC address.

Apparently, it is possibler to "spoof" this address, but the technicality of it is well beyond my ability/understanding.

This information may relate to the issue you are having, but as I said, I am still researching, and simply giving you this information because I haven't seen it mentioned here.


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