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Flash, like your other programs on your CPU are shared between users. Like firefox, and IE, and most programs you have.

But your flash objects are kept in separate folders depending on the user account you're on. So yes you do have to worry about linking accounts if you're sharing one user account for two or more eBay accounts.

You may have to just delete cookies/flash objects as well as change your IP Address before logging into different eBay accounts. Just be prepared for eBay not recognizing your computer and wanting to call you... often.

Ok firstly, I think if flash is involved on my seperate user screens, I am already linked, so might be diddley I can do now anyhow.

OK, I get what you are saying re shared files, but on my seperate user screens (not main one) I cant get the adobe settings manager via your link or otherwise as it says flash player isnt loaded., dont know where to find flash objects, on other users, I can on main user, no problem..

Only other alternative if I cant find them is share the risk that if one suspended other might be too, not such a big deal if youve got alot more, but I would like to solve this if poss..........can you tell me where to find these files!!

^^^ have you used Objection? It is a firefox add-on.That's how I dealt with mine.

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hi update

intalled objection, . Looked on LSO file and 2 paypal and 3 ebaystatic.

OMG

went on a seperate user screen and intalled it there on firefox , files empty, assume that means clearing under main user is all you need to do.......so this seperate folder theory, Im not sure about

Question I REALLY NEED ANSWERING IS
1/are all user screens and therefore accounts linked by this, I am not quite so bothered about a pair going down, as I have 10 pairs, under 10 users but dont want everything to go down because one dies,.I suppose once you are linked it is too late to do anything.

2/also I assume using auctiva means you dont have to reverify for selling due to removing flash files, correct?

Hi!

1- NO, your flash objects do not link the 10 accounts, what you've just seen with objection is data about only 1 pair of flash objects; you should have 10 pairs (pp/eb) 1 per each windows user-id and located each on separate user folders. They all have different data inside. Also using the multiple windows user scheme you don't need to clear cookies or flash objects; I even believe its better to keep them there always. If I would use a diff computer to operate I would take 'em on a pendrive (all the cookies+flash related to 1 account) and spread em all over the new pc, so the only difference ebay will register is just the IP, thus not triggering any crazy stuff...


2- Correct using auctiva doesnt trigger any security measure on ebay since it operates directly with them, no browsing involved. Great site... (until ebay buys them and links us to death). However they are launching auctiva commerce which wil try to be an alternative for ebay sellers. This is a good sign that shows they are even farthest from ebay than before.

Good day,
Cachufleta.

thanks, I like you, you are cute and fluffy.

Reason Ive paired up accounts is because im limited to 10 users.

The objection files are empty on my other screens after I deleted on my main user, so i assumed that was why, still cant find how to delete LSO under other users, i wont bother as they are already linked, I will just be careful, I know what the triggers for suspension for my products are now and Im less likely to be suspended I think, and if I am, so what, move on, I just didnt want a domino affect!

I actually think on balance, its better to keep flash, as getting your account flagged is also a problem. Im Keeping a working number on more recent accounts but other have lapsed, as in Uk you need landline, which is expensive for multiples.

Im not so worried now, I worked really hard to make this many accounts and they are all up and running, slow and successful, and thanks for your reply

"""But then...when cookies are deleted and firefox restarted, why would the website recognize my computer the second time? After all, the cookies are still gone."""


I thought this was obvious:
Flash objects will ID your computer.

you gotta go one more step...

AND not quitting all browsers between cookie scrubs , will invalidate the scrub.

Name address is still the same
 

Every time i reset my modem i get a new ip address. But the name Address is still the same. Is this a problem?

Ebay Freak

the name address?

Question: If you are using separate user accounts, you dont need to clear cookies correct? It was my understanding that cookies are kept separate with user accounts.

This just answered my question. Thanks aspkin. I knew this but wanted to confirm. :)

Great thread!

Minor question:

As Firefox takes forever to restart with some add-ons, is clearing off "Authenticated Sessions" a good alternative to re-starting the browser (question relates only to the quote above, but anyone is welcome to answer it if they can)?

Hey guys, long time no see :) Anyways, let me make this easy for all of you. Just use separate Windows accounts for each eBay/PayPal account. That's what I do. I currently have 80+ Windows user accounts, each named after a different eBay account, and I haven't had a suspension in nearly 10 months.

Let's dig this a little further. Will all brower work this way?

Please tell us what brower you use.

Look like firefox and IE will be ok. How about Opera and AOL?

I use Firefox with Objection installed. Works perfectly.

Why do you need objection if you have separate windows accounts?

Shouldn't you keep all your flash cookies?

So if we use different user acc on windows, it is safe to keep the cookies??

Can;t the flash cookies just remember your computer name even it is diff user acc and finally will link every single acc?

Thanks

Yes with separate user accounts you keep the flash cookies.

I agree with aspkin, not much going on here. Nothing changed for me and a lot's of other people here on the forum. If you use xp just make sure you have different user names for every account. If you switch change your ip address that all, just don't delete your Cookies anymore. A other thing that will work if you have a good Computer or Laptop is virtual pc 2007, it is a free program from Microsoft. It allows you to install and run different versions of windows on 1 operating system like Vista, i use that know (still testing) but so far everything works out great. It's like having 10 pc's on 1 screen. Just make sure you don't forget to change your ip everytime, i F*** up a couple times because of that.

John Canfield you still didn't got me:cheer: Keep working John and wasting your the money from your boss. :lol::lol::lol:

Hi, I have being using multiple account in different window users without deletion of any of the cookies/flash cookies.

Recently, one of my new account got the phone verification message before I can proceed to sell further.

I recall in the past, if I delete the flash cookies, the phone verification process will not appear. But this time even after clearing all the cookies and change to another ip, they still require the phone verification.

Is there a change in the policy?? Any advise how can I get around without having to pay for a phone number to do this? Thank you.

I only get Phone verification once every blue moon.

I use Different win users, but I don't* delete the cookies on the user. If I delete the cookies, i tend to get the phone verification.

Anway, best way around the whole phone thing is bye not trying to get around it in the first place. goto Walmart, get a $10 tracfone and you're golden.

BigLots sells them for $8

Ive changed my mind about keeping flash, I have it turned off nowadays, ebay used to want phone verification when my accounts were new, but that has changed for listing now and they are letting me list on more aged ones without recognizing pc, also new policy is they are verifying on newer accounts by email, great! Must be because their phone bill was getting so high! I think it is not such a problem if using seperate users but say you make a mistake on which user you use, keeping flash off is one less worry.
The trick is to have flash loaded on IE for other stuff but on firefox browser do not allow it...

That is exactly how I have been doing it for a while. No problems.

Flash off in Firefox always. Blocked forever and ever. Do all my PP and ebay and 3rd party stuff via FF.

IE has everything pretty much wide open and when I want to play kitten cannon or gemcraft, I use IE from my 'do nothing important' windows user login. Under no circumstances will I shop for anything or even browse shopping sites from IE. Just the cheesy games and inert stuff.

I don't get verification issues.

One thing I'm almost certain about: allowing flash and deleting it then allowing and then deleting, THAT gets noticed and then somebody or more likely some bot decides that a phone call is due. It's the backing and forthing that seems suspicious at the other end.

Hi vicvelcro, oompaloompa and others,

How to turn off Flash selectively for FF? Is it thru FF addon flashblock or is there any other way to do it?

I personally use Flashblock addon for Firefox. I'm sure there are other ways to do it, but I never bothered looking around, since it suits my needs just fine.

yes ^^ me too or just run uninstall adobe perhaps

A person would have to remove flash activex, flash plugins, and then manually remove the LSO storage tree for each user account on their computer. That means NO KITTEN CANNON!

Easier to block flash with an additional plugin.

somehow I managed to unistall flash on main user for firefox but not for IE.

then on all other users no flash on firefox, without using objection....I checked them all on adobe settings and seeing if can run anything on youtube etc, nope

For IE -

Tools > Internet Options > Programs (tab) > Show - add ons that have been used by internet explorer

In that box, select what you want to get rid of, and then if it's an add on, enable or disable it on the bottom left selector dots. If it's active X, remove it on the bottom right radio button.

I prefer to use vmware with no flash installed and after doing all shut down and use my pc.

Using the VMWare method causes a perpetually blank slate. Not a good thing for a very active ebay/pp. It won't be long before they want verification. It will be a recurring thing. Eventually, they will SLAM you with the 'full monty'.

Thats not true, why blank state, it is the same as other PC.

When you finish VMWare, everything is gone. No cookies.

BLANK SLATE

I delete cookies for 4 sell accounts after I log in EACH and EVERY time. They ask me to verify every 3 or 4 months it seems but not all every time.

Safety checklist
 

Use the following safety checklist to ensure privacy on ebay or any other web site:


1. cookies - use CCleaner or similar to delete cookies BEFORE and AFTER visits to ebay AND other sites that track - THERE ARE MANY - and many of them have agreements with ebay to exchange information ( Amazon, YAHOO, Google, most commercial portals) For example, "doubleclick.com" is a NOTORIOUS hunter of user info and they specialize in tracking users accross sites, and selling this information to third parties.

2. change IP , goes without saying, explained elsewhere on this board. Check your IP each time you changed it to ensure it is new ( on an IP checking site)

3. Flash Objects.
You can use short registry scripts available on the web to disable/enable flash
on the fly. OR - keep Flash off your conmputer altogether. Caution::: with Firefox, I notice I have Flash installed ( embedded in the browser) without ever explicitly installing it myself.
Flash installs EXECUTABLE code on your machine, which can see everything - all hardware and all their serial numbers,
ANY executable code installed on your conmputer has access to the hardware, to POSITIVELY identify you no matter what. A web site CAN NEVER see identifying features of your PC, BUT a website can querry Flash code to get that info, because Flash resides locally, and talks to web sites - it is made for that.
You do not lose much by excluding Flash. 95%+ of Flash content is advertising or annoying intro screens.

4. Email
Send and receive all email in plain text-
NO HTML, No graphics, No rich text, No buttons or scripting. Just plain 1967 style Telex.

5. NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER install any toolbars provided by third parties.

NOT the YAHOO toolbar
NOT the Google toolbar
NOT the MSN/Bing/Hotmail toolbar
NOT ANY search toolbar
( of curse not the ebay or paypal toolbars... duuuh)
Instlling search toolbars brings in EXECUTABLE CODE onto your machine. this code does the same thing Flash does. It can see all parts of your machine - serial numbers and all- and communicates with the exterior.

The most lucrative Business on the web today is user data mining. Yahoo is NO LONGER a search engine (it has failed miserably at that) It is now the premier "TARGETED MARKETING" enterprise. They place cookies on your machine, which are then read and re-written by many other places you visit. each one analyzing where you have been. information is sold to all participating sites ( ebay is a BIG consumer of this type of info - it subscribes to all major networks). If ANY of the in-network sites has additional information on you - either by you identifying yourself with a user name- like Yahoo Groups, or Amazon, or Google Gmail, or ordering pizza online, etc, that info is grabbed into the database ( -minus the credit card number, to keep it legal) and shared with member sites.
This is in ABSENCE of a 3-rd party toolbar.
If you HAVE a search toolbar installed, then you're cooked.
They have positive identification from the first minute.

It is all done in the name of
" creating a superior web user experience, by providing targeted content"

I'm sorry, I am pretty new at this. I am trying to access another eBay acct (my girlfriend's old acct that she hasn't used in years) and want to be sure I dont link them so...

I did these so far
1 - Create new Windows User.
2 - Run CCleaner and clear cookies.
3 - Change the IP by resetting modem and confirming the changed IP address.

Here's where I run into confusion:

Flash Objects - Is all I need to do is disable them in Firefox? Is there anything to delete?

Search toolbars - How do I know if they are ALL deleted/uninstalled?

Please, please, please I need help. If I can get into my GF's account I will be able to confirm that I can use it and I will purchase the stealth book to start a backup acct to the one I currently have.

Thanks!

All the answers you seek are in the stealth guide and in the subscribers section of the forum. :thumb:

yeah but if you keep the copy of vmware everything is ok ...

ebay tracking IP physical address not ip address on windows XP
 

when I open up my "network connection details", there is a IP physical address
on top of my IP address. (it is something like bc-30-5b-....) I assume this will never change, even if you change your IP address.

So can ebay track me on my new account w/ new IP address WHICH physical is the same)