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walkingupwards 06-21-2019 03:21 PM

What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
I don't think there is an exact number on how many lives/people had been destroyed by getting sued in the U.S.

You see gangsters with law degrees going after businesses or individuals with one goal in mind ---> to make $$$. However, when that process nears its end, irreversible damage has already been done.


I can tell you something about Europe (i.e: Germany), this craziness doesn't exist :surrender:


I think this culture might have some short-term financial gains to the lawyers and the people they represent, but long-term, it is destroying the country.


What do you think?

agent006140 06-21-2019 04:11 PM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
In US,if you ever get into a car accident,you can claim whiplash and get 4-5 figures but you have to share it with your lawyer,I believe they take 40-60%

walkingupwards 06-22-2019 06:34 AM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Lawyers cost a fortune in the U.S in comparison to other countries. No wonder law schools are such a big thing over there!

rsot 06-22-2019 07:44 AM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
This is well known about the USA, sadly not to mention ambulance chasers...

walkingupwards 06-22-2019 08:36 AM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rsot (Post 1013084)
This is well known about the USA, sadly not to mention ambulance chasers...



That's really f*cked up if you don't have the right money to defend yourself in court :deadhorse:


Look at Alex Jones for example, the man is being brought down by class action lawsuits. Such court system (in my opinion) is designed with one thing in mind, which is $$$.

One might argue that you could avoid getting sued by following the law and getting counsel beforehand, but that clearly didn't work for god knows how many people/businesses.

rsot 06-22-2019 08:44 AM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Aspkin might have some own stories to share about lawsuits or potential ones #paging

agent006140 06-22-2019 09:46 AM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by walkingupwards (Post 1013068)
Lawyers cost a fortune in the U.S in comparison to other countries. No wonder law schools are such a big thing over there!

Universities find law school a money maker,the upfront cost is building a law library,after that,the tuition $ is pure income.
Pity the law students who borrow to get a law degree easily in high 5 figures and find no job or freelance work,many lawfirms are finding out one way to cut cost is to let contractors/subcontractors do the menial/routine work,skip the health insurance,profit sharing ,SS contribution,even overhead like an office,desk,chair?

agent006140 06-22-2019 09:49 AM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
driving an expensive flashy car is one good way to get sue if you ever get into a car accident.
add Rolex watch,designer handbag,customs made suits,flashy jewelry

phaz0rz 06-22-2019 09:53 AM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1013149)
driving an expensive flashy car is one good way to get sue if you ever get into a car accident.
add Rolex watch,designer handbag,customs made suits,flashy jewelry


People don't care what you're driving anymore in my wonderful southern state. If you're faulted for a wreck you can rest assured you're going to be sued in the next couple of weeks. Doesn't matter if you're driving an F-150 or a Ferrari.

It's sad to see. On broadcast TV during the day time there are nothing but ambulance chaser lawyer ads reminding everyone to sue thy neighbor. The lawyers are making tons of money so they won't stop until something stops them. I almost think the insurance companies and personal injury lawyers are in cahoots in some way.

james_112233 06-22-2019 10:10 AM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
In the UK whiplash and injury claims are a popular one. Solicitors love em. A nice little earner for them. We have indian call centres regularly ringing us asking whether we have had an accident recently and if we were injured.

Sunspot144 06-22-2019 10:14 AM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Whiplash is a big one - neighbour got into a car accident, ended up with the other couple killed. He claimed whiplash as they have a big house and lots of $$$. Has to go to physical therapy for his "problem" but wont ever have to work again...

Sunspot144 06-22-2019 10:38 AM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1013148)
Universities find law school a money maker,the upfront cost is building a law library,after that,the tuition $ is pure income.
Pity the law students who borrow to get a law degree easily in high 5 figures and find no job or freelance work,many lawfirms are finding out one way to cut cost is to let contractors/subcontractors do the menial/routine work,skip the health insurance,profit sharing ,SS contribution,even overhead like an office,desk,chair?

All too true. Churn them out. Bernie's free college would create such excess of "specialized" workers it would be impossible to find employment.

nickopedia 06-22-2019 01:58 PM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
A lawsuit against you means little if you are "judgement proof" defendant.

In the context of contract law, debt collection and civil litigation, the term judgment proof is used to refer to defendants or potential defendants who are financially insolvent, or whose income and assets cannot be obtained in satisfaction of a judgment.

In other words, if there is little or no money there, you are unlikely to get sued in the first place. Lawyers and plaintiffs usually want MONEY and if it's not there to begin with, it becomes a moot point to sue someone. Litigation is very expensive and time consuming, and 99% of lawyers won't even take a case unless there is some $$ in it for them, or their client.

If you are someone who really does have some money, assets, deep pockets, etc, you need to "judgement proof" yourself BEFORE you have any potential problems. This can be done a variety of ways: use of legal entities; LLC's, corporations, trusts/estates, foundations, IBC's, and a whole host of financial instruments. The less you have in YOUR NAME, the better. In other words, REMOVE the INCENTIVE to sue you in the first place!

agent006140 06-22-2019 03:11 PM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
In reality,how many of us will be taken to the cleaner for what we have done?
unless you are a celebrity ,wealthy and did something really wrong?

walkingupwards 06-22-2019 03:18 PM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nickopedia (Post 1013179)
This can be done a variety of ways: use of legal entities; LLC's, corporations, trusts/estates, foundations, IBC's, and a whole host of financial instruments.



:violin::violin::violin: These words are music to my ears :dance:


Trusts are amazing, even Putin uses them :ballchain:

nickopedia 06-22-2019 03:29 PM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1013192)
In reality,how many of us will be taken to the cleaner for what we have done?
unless you are a celebrity ,wealthy and did something really wrong?

I wouldn't have this mindset, especially in America!

Of course, it's the lawyers job to scare you into thinking you could, and might get sued and hire them! The reality is, we are all human and cannot predict the future.

Do you drive a car?
Own a house/property?
Do you have any money in the bank, or other assets?
Retirement fund/IRA/401k ?

Unless you are homeless, without a job, or live under a rock, you can be sued at a moments notice for just about anything imaginable.

I've personally been sued more than once in my life, but I've come though it ok. One case concerned a tenant of mine in a rental property I owned, and another was a family (estate) issue. The later of which is far more common than you may think.

The sad truth is that greed can rear it's ugly head when you least expect. It's usually FAMILY that will sell you down the river most of the time. In fact, in civil litigation, Family cases are usually at the top of the list.

Someone dies, they leave the money to someone, and someone else will disagree. A divorce, estate dispute, and so fortrh. This happens ALL THE TIME.

nickopedia 06-22-2019 03:36 PM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by walkingupwards (Post 1013194)
:violin::violin::violin: These words are music to my ears :dance:


Trusts are amazing, even Putin uses them :ballchain:

Trusts ARE amazing tools, but only if setup and used correctly. They are pretty useless if a moron set it up, however.

There are actually ways of protecting your assets that go far beyond what a trust or foundation can accomplish. In fact, I can't mention it here because it's that powerful. Only a few people are aware of it, and it's 100% legal. Even Trump or Putin himself can't breach it. ;)

This is why a really good asset protection lawyer is worth their weight in gold, that is if you have that much wealth to protect in the first place.

rsot 06-23-2019 09:15 AM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nickopedia (Post 1013198)

This is why a really good asset protection lawyer is worth their weight in gold, that is if you have that much wealth to protect in the first place.

And therein is the issue :)

agent006140 06-23-2019 03:34 PM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
I WAS IN A CAR ACCIDENT years ago,two women were driving with expired driver license,expired license plate and no insurance,but I WAS in the wrong as I missed the stop sign,their car is a piece of junk,but they collected 40k,reason-whiplash !!!!!!

phaz0rz 06-24-2019 08:01 AM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1013419)
I WAS IN A CAR ACCIDENT years ago,two women were driving with expired driver license,expired license plate and no insurance,but I WAS in the wrong as I missed the stop sign,their car is a piece of junk,but they collected 40k,reason-whiplash !!!!!!

Seems unlikely. :juggle:

Did the two women at least go to jail? Both of them were driving? :typing:

dachilla 06-24-2019 08:23 AM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by walkingupwards (Post 1012950)
I don't think there is an exact number on how many lives/people had been destroyed by getting sued in the U.S.

You see gangsters with law degrees going after businesses or individuals with one goal in mind ---> to make $$$. However, when that process nears its end, irreversible damage has already been done.


I can tell you something about Europe (i.e: Germany), this craziness doesn't exist :surrender:


I think this culture might have some short-term financial gains to the lawyers and the people they represent, but long-term, it is destroying the country.


What do you think?

Not sure if you live in the same Germany as I did.

Not without reason there is a German word called "Abmahnindustrie" which translates to "suing industry".

And I have been sued not only once in Germany. Actually "Beathe Uhse AG" sued me 20 years ago for 30k $$$ for ONE word on my website. That was the point when I decided to go to law school.

And I was sued thereafter can't even count the ridiculous amount of c&d letters which almost destroyed my entire business.

The gangsters with law degrees are all over Germany.

agent006140 06-24-2019 12:00 PM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
no,they did not go to jail,for what?
driving with expired driver license.
If they were penalised for driving with expired license and license plate and no auto insurance,that $40k will take care of all that!

phaz0rz 06-24-2019 12:40 PM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1013632)
no,they did not go to jail,for what?
driving with expired driver license.
If they were penalised for driving with expired license and license plate and no auto insurance,that $40k will take care of all that!

- Driving without a license
- Driving with no insurance
- Driving with no registration
- 2 people in driver seat

I'm pretty sure any one of the 4 would have equated to a trip to jail in my state. That's why your story seemed implausible to me. They got into a wreck, had none of the things required for a legal vehicle, and the cop just let them leave? :suspicious:

And yeah I guess that would have been enough to get them bonded out of jail but personal injury litigation tends to take several months before anybody gets paid. :juggle:

agent006140 06-24-2019 06:47 PM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
yes,I recall they just left and the cop gave me a ticket.
One of them did mumble something about her neck and her back,so I guess thats precursor to whiplash,all I know is they got $40k from my insurer.
May be it was 30k ,either her driver license or license plate of her car has expired or both,it was 15 years ago !
do they check her insurance card,you can drive without insurance,

rsot 06-25-2019 05:56 AM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1013730)
One of them did mumble something about her neck and her back...

Sounds like that song from Khia...anyhow :focus:

phaz0rz 06-25-2019 06:08 AM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1013730)
do they check her insurance card,you can drive without insurance,

No you can't.. :doh:

Illegal in all 50 states. Cool story though. :pop2:

walkingupwards 06-25-2019 07:12 AM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dachilla (Post 1013574)
Not sure if you live in the same Germany as I did.

Not without reason there is a German word called "Abmahnindustrie" which translates to "suing industry".

And I have been sued not only once in Germany. Actually "Beathe Uhse AG" sued me 20 years ago for 30k $$$ for ONE word on my website. That was the point when I decided to go to law school.

And I was sued thereafter can't even count the ridiculous amount of c&d letters which almost destroyed my entire business.

The gangsters with law degrees are all over Germany.



That's correct. I myself had to pay up because of an Abmahnung (Cease and desist letter). However, shielding yourself from such letters is fairly easy when selling online, eBay even has a program called "Abmahnschutz", which is being offered with store-subscriptions.


In every country where there is a platform for litigation, businesses will go after each other. The acuity of the lawsuit situation in Germany is nowhere near that of the U.S.

agent006140 06-25-2019 08:14 AM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1013860)
No you can't.. :doh:

Illegal in all 50 states. Cool story though. :pop2:

then what is the purpose of 'uninsured motorist coverage'?
When I was in LA,I swear some folks drive without insurance .
In TX,it expects you to have state inspection sticker which cost $35? ,some drivers will leave the expired one in the windshield until they are caught,some will take it from a car ready to be scrapped or steal it from another car .
It is not they cant afford the $35,it is just their car cant pass the test.

agent006140 06-25-2019 08:17 AM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by walkingupwards (Post 1013876)
That's correct. I myself had to pay up because of an Abmahnung (Cease and desist letter). However, shielding yourself from such letters is fairly easy when selling online, eBay even has a program called "Abmahnschutz", which is being offered with store-subscriptions.


In every country where there is a platform for litigation, businesses will go after each other. The acuity of the lawsuit situation in Germany is nowhere near that of the U.S.

It is good money if you win(USA),someone was trying to sell his house in a deteriorating neighborhood and the potential buyers will say,when I win the lawsuit,I will be able to buy your house !

phaz0rz 06-25-2019 08:20 AM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1013890)
then what is the purpose of 'uninsured motorist coverage'?


To cover you if you get in a wreck you aren't faulted for and the other party is driving without insurance. Their insurance company would be expected to pay for the damage on your vehicle, but since they don't have insurance and probably don't have any money, your own insurance company helps get you back on the road. ;)

Sunspot144 06-25-2019 10:51 AM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1013890)
then what is the purpose of 'uninsured motorist coverage'?
When I was in LA,I swear some folks drive without insurance .
In TX,it expects you to have state inspection sticker which cost $35? ,some drivers will leave the expired one in the windshield until they are caught,some will take it from a car ready to be scrapped or steal it from another car .
It is not they cant afford the $35,it is just their car cant pass the test.

State inspections are purely a money grab by big brother. Police say it reduces car accidents on the highway. While true, on the other hand, of states with the lowest number of accidents the top states dont require inspections. $35 per car is a couple million.

agent006140 06-25-2019 01:04 PM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
well,in my state,we have many immigrants,legal or illegal,some of the cars should not really be on the road.
Like it does not honk,windshield wipers do not work,tires should have been replaced,turn signals ,oil leak etc etc.
but I agree,$35 is good money for the state/city goverment.

Sunspot144 06-25-2019 05:16 PM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Sounds like they haven't had drivers ed.

xenix 07-01-2019 12:37 PM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
us law system is very bad

rsot 07-02-2019 06:55 AM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xenix (Post 1015560)
us law system is very bad

You have been to the US right xenix?

Arde 07-03-2019 11:11 PM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by walkingupwards (Post 1012950)
I don't think there is an exact number on how many lives/people had been destroyed by getting sued in the U.S.

You see gangsters with law degrees going after businesses or individuals with one goal in mind ---> to make $$$. However, when that process nears its end, irreversible damage has already been done.


I can tell you something about Europe (i.e: Germany), this craziness doesn't exist :surrender:


I think this culture might have some short-term financial gains to the lawyers and the people they represent, but long-term, it is destroying the country.


What do you think?

I agree it's crazy and something should be done to stop this practice.

How much is the average cost of earning a law degree in your country?

walkingupwards 07-04-2019 12:49 PM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arde (Post 1016169)
I agree it's crazy and something should be done to stop this practice.

How much is the average cost of earning a law degree in your country?


College is free in Germany, students pay around 300$ per semester and they get to use public transportation inside their state for free. However, to get into law or med school, you need to graduate high school with some decent grades.

agent006140 07-04-2019 01:29 PM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Long before this crisis,Venezuelan in Venezuela will import tires deem unfit from USA,so they can drive on the road.
Now they dont have to worry,they have no gas .

agent006140 07-04-2019 01:34 PM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Once I was in a car repair shop to fix my car,and there is this couple there,they have a relatively new car and it was wrecked badly,they have a choice,to fix the car or take the insurance money which comes to over $10k?
Cant recall how it is done,get some minor stuff done and split the check with the repair shop?Is that fraud?
or may be pay the shop a small sum and take the rest,repair nothing .
I am sure there are still car payments to be made,but they have no intention of making them,just take the proceeds to buy another car or go on vacation?

UKGiftWarranty 08-07-2019 12:54 PM

Re: What do you think about the lawsuit culture in the U.S?
 
Interesting that Whiplash is still a big claim in the US.

It's the biggest in the UK too but in recent years payout for those claims has gone from 85% down to around 1 in 4... through medical intervention and claim withdrawals. It's really been clamped down on. Insurance companies here these days, if there's any doubt, will apply legal pressure on the claimant (threat or actual action).


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