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| phaz0rz | 03-13-2020 07:04 AM |
Re: Corona Virus
Canadian PM Trudeau's wife has covid-19
The NY Federal Reserve bank is injecting $1.5trillion into markets in an effort to stop the market from crashing, with little impact so far. |
| walkingupwards | 03-13-2020 07:06 AM |
Re: Corona Virus
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Originally Posted by phaz0rz
(Post 1076822)
Nobody here is pushing a racist narrative, turbo. That's on social media. I'm more interested in the origin and China suppression of statistics. It's not racist to dislike a communist political party. I don't like the communists in my own country either.
I find it unlikely that it started in USA, but I do believe it was here before the CDC admitted it. I guess it's possible that it was made in an American lab and then smuggled into China and purposely released to hurt China? IDK. Sounds like something the CIA would do, to be honest. Their stated goal is to protect US economic interests abroad.. so it's possible. :juggle:
Useless to argue about though. I'm just here to report numbers.
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I would have believed the theory of China being targeted if this virus was kept in Asia, but it is spreading in Europe like fire.
The communistic government of China is capable of forcing nation-wide quarantines, but western governments are not as good in that regard.
Steve Bannon is talking about COVID-19 forcing a migration of corporations out of China and back to the U.S, that could be an indicator the current U.S government is behind this.
The democrats and the globalists are also talking about how COVID-19 will wreck the stock market, kill Trump and reverse the "damage" of the 2016 elections.
So both parties are hyping this up and claiming it will benefit them, I think only time will tell us who's behind this :tears: |
| phaz0rz | 03-13-2020 07:38 AM |
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UPDATE : 3/12/20 - cases outside of China https://i.postimg.cc/j2kT6B9M/3-12-2...side-china.png
There was a bit of a slump yesterday, with only 2500 new cases reported. However, today has already seen 7000 cases reported so the 13th will probably set a new record outside of China. Bitcoin and stock markets continue to be very unstable.
South Korea - 7869 (+0?)
Iran - 10075 (+1075)
Italy - 15113 (+2651)
USA - 1701 (+380)
USA is up to 40 deaths with only 12 recovered, meaning the current case fatality rate within USA is 76.9%. |
| james13v | 03-13-2020 08:20 AM |
Re: Corona Virus
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Originally Posted by 997turbo
(Post 1076772)
| that's a conspiracy and a half lol. Is it possible? Sure. Plausible? Nope. I'm going with Occam’s razor on this one. The simpler explanation is that this came from Wuhan, rather than some massive global conspiracy to destabilize the chinese government, in a way that makes zero sense, as it has just as much, if not more impact on the rest of the globe as well, as the rest of us don't have an authoritarian government that can shut down the entire country and force it's citizens to do exactly as they demand.
Unlike The US government, the Chinese government has almost no oversight at all. They can do whatever the hell they damn well please. Like mass burn bodies and pretend nothing is wrong. Or jail the people that were coming out about the virus. Your country is involved in a straight up cover up. You guys even tried claiming there was no proof of human to human transmissions, as cases of infected doctors were increasing. Sorry if I don't take the word of your leaders, trying to pass the blame. |
| walkingupwards | 03-13-2020 09:51 AM |
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| phaz0rz | 03-13-2020 09:58 AM |
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Spain has basically declared martial law. They're calling it a "state of alarm" but what they describe is martial law. Quote:
The state of alarm empowers the Government to make a series of decisions to tackle the crisis and adopt the following measures: limit the movement or permanence of people or vehicles at specific times and places; practice temporary requisitions of all kinds of goods and impose mandatory personal benefits; intervene and temporarily occupy industries , factories, workshops, farms or premises of any nature, with the exception of private homes; limit or ration the use of services or the consumption of basic necessities; and issue the necessary orders to ensure the supply of markets and the operation of services and production centers. What does the alarm state mean?
Just one day after the head of the Executive limited himself to approving some economic measures and making recommendations to citizens and the autonomous communities, the strategy has changed and the decision is now being made, which represents a significant leap in management against the pandemic .
The state of alarm is included in article 116 of the Constitution and is the mildest of the three that can be applied in emergency situations: the following are the emergency and the siege. It is initially applied for a period of 15 days that can be extended by the Congress of Deputies. Until now, it had only been applied once in democracy, with José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero in 2010 , during the air traffic control crisis.
| original link : https://www.elmundo.es/espana/2020/0...d258b45a5.html
translated : https://translate.google.com/transla...d258b45a5.html |
| walkingupwards | 03-13-2020 10:03 AM |
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It seems likely that Spain is going to adopt the Chinese method of containment very soon. |
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Brutal pandemic in effect indeed. |
| phaz0rz | 03-13-2020 10:11 AM |
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Lying through their teeth? :lol: |
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im in Spain, they just over panic a bit... |
| phaz0rz | 03-13-2020 10:35 AM |
Re: Corona Virus
Quote:
Originally Posted by phaz0rz
(Post 1076832)
USA - 1701 (+380)
| US data is being manipulated for some reason. There were 1701 cumulative confirmed cases when I checked this morning, and the number has now fallen to 1268. |
| Toolman89 | 03-13-2020 11:11 AM |
Re: Corona Virus
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Originally Posted by phaz0rz
(Post 1076874)
Spain has basically declared martial law. They're calling it a "state of alarm" but what they describe is martial law.
| isn't a socialist party currently in charge in Spain? that's more than a bit worrying, everything proposed in this 'state of alarm' or government takeover is exactly what they want and envision. |
| phaz0rz | 03-13-2020 11:42 AM |
Re: Corona Virus
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Originally Posted by Toolman89
(Post 1076904)
isn't a socialist party currently in charge in Spain? that's more than a bit worrying, everything proposed in this 'state of alarm' or government takeover is exactly what they want and envision.
| Some people are theorizing that this entire thing is a hoax to get people to beg for more control/less freedom from governments. They are saying that with all the deaths, nobody has spoken out about losing a family member and you can't find names of people who have died anywhere. They say this implies nobody has actually died. They also say Covid-19 was intentionally released, but at most it causes a mild fever with a very minuscule chance of death. For a government.. that scenario would allow them to tighten controls, restrict population movements, and convince everybody that martial law is necessary, with very little actual damage being done. They would just need to report increasing levels of death and get everybody scared, like what is happening.
I don't quite buy it, but it's certainly a possibility. :pop2: |
| ebaystealth1974 | 03-13-2020 11:50 AM |
Re: Corona Virus
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Originally Posted by Sunspot144
(Post 1076719)
Somewhere I read SARS-COV-2 (sister to SARS) and COVID19 are one in the same. If it's been improved it would be more transmissible. That's the point of the research.
:shocked:
| SARS-CoV-2 is the virus.
COVID-19 is the disease CAUSED by the virus.
SARS-CoV is what was resposible for the outbreak in 2003. They are genetically related, but not the same thing. |
| ebaystealth1974 | 03-13-2020 12:00 PM |
Re: Corona Virus
WV Governor just made decision to close ALL schools, indefinitely. |
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Originally Posted by 997turbo
(Post 1076818)
| **** CNN, they are the worst fearmongers of them all. Anything that goes against their ****ed up narrative is a "conspriacy theory" |
| ukjay | 03-13-2020 01:10 PM |
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I bet you are life of the party at party's. |
| walkingupwards | 03-13-2020 01:20 PM |
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This is a short-term crisis that will end as soon as targets on a hit-list are completely done with. |
| prodigyace | 03-13-2020 01:39 PM |
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Originally Posted by walkingupwards
(Post 1076925)
This is a short-term crisis that will end as soon as targets on a hit-list are completely done with.
| Seems like a possibility, but we won't know for sure |
| james_112233 | 03-13-2020 02:46 PM |
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Originally Posted by walkingupwards
(Post 1076925)
This is a short-term crisis that will end as soon as targets on a hit-list are completely done with.
| Hopefully that's the case.
Because i'm sitting here legitimately worried after getting the normal flu followed by bronchitis earlier this year. Can't handle round two. Not a fan of coughing up blood. |
| walkingupwards | 03-13-2020 03:22 PM |
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Trump is showing signs of shortness of breath, Trudeau is self-isolating after his wife tested positive and Bolsonaro has been targeted as well.
Who's next? Putin and Netanyahu?
Containing a virus that is four times more transmissible than the usual flu is impossible, the best defense would be complete lockdown of cities (China-wise) or full blown outbreak to help reach the level of herd immunity (which is a better option in my opinion).
Trump is a prisoner of the American government that is compromised with covert agents from top to bottom, the man is clearly sick and being given bad advice. |
| ebaystealth1974 | 03-13-2020 03:29 PM |
Re: Corona Virus
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Originally Posted by walkingupwards
(Post 1076953)
Trump is showing signs of shortness of breath
| Just finished watching his speech and didn't notice it. Quote:
Originally Posted by walkingupwards
(Post 1076953)
Containing a virus that is four times more transmissible than the usual flu is impossible
| No it's not. |
| ebaystealth1974 | 03-13-2020 03:33 PM |
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Trump declares National emergency |
| walkingupwards | 03-13-2020 03:46 PM |
Re: Corona Virus
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Originally Posted by ebaystealth1974
(Post 1076958)
Trump declares National emergency
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Why though? I thought COVID-19 was a joke and not something serious :laugh: |
| ebaystealth1974 | 03-13-2020 04:15 PM |
Re: Corona Virus
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Originally Posted by walkingupwards
(Post 1076960)
Why though? I thought COVID-19 was a joke and not something serious :laugh:
| YOU were originally acting like everyone on earth was going to die from it. THAT'S what I was downplaying. |
| ukjay | 03-13-2020 04:46 PM |
Re: Corona Virus
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Originally Posted by tinsoldier
(Post 1076950)
| And i thought you said you don't care about people passing away from this.I think you do care MR I AM. |
| james13v | 03-13-2020 05:10 PM |
Re: Corona Virus
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Originally Posted by ukjay
(Post 1076971)
And i thought you said you don't care about people passing away from this.I think you do care MR I AM.
| 20,000 kids die every single day, of starvation. only so much energy a person can put towards caring about more strangers dying. |
| kinsey | 03-13-2020 06:30 PM |
Re: Corona Virus
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Originally Posted by james13v
(Post 1076677)
Umm, just FYI, but kids barely at risk. Less than 1% were age 9 or younger. They aren't getting sick. and when they do, it's barely a cold, if they even have any symptoms at all. Many have no symptoms. If you didn't do this for the yearly flu, that's it's kinda ridiculous you're doing it now, for something less likely to happen, AND less likely do have an effect if it does happen.
| My post was a few days ago. Much more info out there now. Kids may not be affected, but still pass it on to others. We have some people around with compromised immune systems. |
| Sunspot144 | 03-13-2020 06:34 PM |
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https://academic.oup.com/nsr/advance...searchresult=1
103 samples compared to bat SARS-related coronavirus SARSr-CoV; RaTG13 and pangolin SARSr-CoV.
The SARS-CoV-2 epidemic started in late December 2019 in Wuhan, China, and has since impacted a large portion of China and raised major global concern. Herein, we investigated the extent of molecular divergence between SARS-CoV-2 and other related coronaviruses. Although we found only 4% variability in genomic nucleotides between SARS-CoV-2 and a bat SARS-related coronavirus (SARSr-CoV; RaTG13), the difference at neutral sites was 17%, suggesting the divergence between the two viruses is much larger than previously estimated.
Our results suggest that the development of new variations in functional sites in the receptor-binding domain (RBD) of the spike seen in SARS-CoV-2 and viruses from pangolin SARSr-CoVs are likely caused by mutations and natural selection besides recombination. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00548-w
The RBD is a crucial part of coronaviruses, which allows them to latch on to and enter a cell. Even a 99% similarity between the RBDs of the two viruses is not necessarily enough to link them, says Linfa Wang, a virologist at Duke–National University of Singapore Medical School who was part of the team that found the origin of the SARS virus.
The genetic similarity should be higher than reported in these studies before the host can be identified, says Arinjay Banerjee, who studies coronaviruses at McMaster University in Hamilton, Canada. He notes that the SARS virus shared 99.8% of its genome with a civet coronavirus, which is why civets were considered the source. If pangolins are the origin of the current outbreak, says Banerjee, it is not the pangolins in these studies. |
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French president Macron must be very careful with his milf-wife, she's in the high risk category. |
| ebaystealth1974 | 03-13-2020 07:17 PM |
Re: Corona Virus
Quote:
Originally Posted by sunspot144
(Post 1076990)
https://academic.oup.com/nsr/advance...searchresult=1
103 samples compared to bat sars-related coronavirus sarsr-cov; ratg13 and pangolin sarsr-cov.
The sars-cov-2 epidemic started in late december 2019 in wuhan, china, and has since impacted a large portion of china and raised major global concern. Herein, we investigated the extent of molecular divergence between sars-cov-2 and other related coronaviruses. Although we found only 4% variability in genomic nucleotides between sars-cov-2 and a bat sars-related coronavirus (sarsr-cov; ratg13), the difference at neutral sites was 17%, suggesting the divergence between the two viruses is much larger than previously estimated.
Our results suggest that the development of new variations in functional sites in the receptor-binding domain (rbd) of the spike seen in sars-cov-2 and viruses from pangolin sarsr-covs are likely caused by mutations and natural selection besides recombination. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00548-w
the rbd is a crucial part of coronaviruses, which allows them to latch on to and enter a cell. Even a 99% similarity between the rbds of the two viruses is not necessarily enough to link them, says linfa wang, a virologist at duke–national university of singapore medical school who was part of the team that found the origin of the sars virus.
The genetic similarity should be higher than reported in these studies before the host can be identified, says arinjay banerjee, who studies coronaviruses at mcmaster university in hamilton, canada. He notes that the sars virus shared 99.8% of its genome with a civet coronavirus, which is why civets were considered the source. If pangolins are the origin of the current outbreak, says banerjee, it is not the pangolins in these studies.
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tldr??????????? |
| Sunspot144 | 03-13-2020 07:55 PM |
Re: Corona Virus
It's most likely an animal source. The difference between COVID's RBD and the bat/pangolin SARS' RBD showed it's most likely from mutation and natural selection. More evidence is when it said "the difference at neutral sites was 17%, suggesting the divergence between the two viruses is much larger than previously estimated." Don't see it being from a lab unfortunately. |
| Sunspot144 | 03-13-2020 08:23 PM |
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If I had to guess SARS came from bats that infected civets that infected people.
wikipedia page
However, research into the origin of the 2002–2004 SARS outbreak has resulted in the discovery of many SARS-like bat coronaviruses
WHO and researchers probably start with bats then find the animal with 99%+ RBD match.
Considering how many different coronaviruses there are I doubt this needed to be developed in a lab. |
| james13v | 03-13-2020 09:35 PM |
Re: Corona Virus
Quote:
Originally Posted by kinsey
(Post 1076988)
My post was a few days ago. Much more info out there now. Kids may not be affected, but still pass it on to others. We have some people around with compromised immune systems.
| And yet your post was before there was much more info out there. The flu kills people that are compromised and old too. Since this whole COVID thing started, 10-20K people have died from the flu. But that wasn't enough for you to homeschool? |
| james13v | 03-13-2020 09:36 PM |
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Originally Posted by sax4
(Post 1076995)
French president Macron must be very careful with his milf-wife, she's in the high risk category.
| You mean his beard. |
| Sunspot144 | 03-13-2020 10:16 PM |
Re: Corona Virus
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Originally Posted by agent006140
(Post 1077001)
there are pangolins in Africa and SE Asia.
| Yea, doesn't look to be them. 85-92% DNA match. SARS source is not known. COVID19 may never be found either. :clap: |
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Originally Posted by Sunspot144
(Post 1077017)
Yea, doesn't look to be them. 85-92% DNA match. SARS source is not known. COVID19 may never be found either. :clap:
| agent seems to be on top of all of this so just wait for info... :FF: |
| phaz0rz | 03-14-2020 07:47 AM |
Re: Corona Virus
UPDATE : 3/13/20 - cases outside of China https://i.postimg.cc/Jtwbq7Bz/3-13-2...side-china.png
Worst day yet by far. 16200 cases reported in a single day, beating China's worst outbreak day by 1100. My state declared a state of emergency and then an hour later Trump declared a federal state of emergency. I'm coughing a bit this morning.
:pry:
South Korea - 8086 (+217)
Iran - 12729 (+2654)
Italy - 17660 (+2547)
USA - 2174 (+473) |
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