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phaz0rz 03-14-2020 07:49 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
SC.

Spring has already started here and there's been pollen everywhere for 2 weeks, so I'm hoping it's just allergies messing with me. But the scary part is, I don't know.

james13v 03-14-2020 07:50 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1077078)
he means his wife is much older than him.
She was his high school teacher

woooosh....

james13v 03-14-2020 07:51 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1077075)
UPDATE : 3/13/20 - cases outside of China

https://i.postimg.cc/Jtwbq7Bz/3-13-2...side-china.png

Worst day yet by far. 16200 cases reported in a single day, beating China's worst outbreak day by 1100. My state declared a state of emergency and then an hour later Trump declared a federal state of emergency. I'm coughing a bit this morning.

:pry:

South Korea - 8086 (+217)
Iran - 12729 (+2654)
Italy - 17660 (+2547)
USA - 2174 (+473)

I mean, are more people being infected, or are we just testing more people?

phaz0rz 03-14-2020 07:52 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
It's undeniably spreading, IMO. How many test kits can there possibly be in storage for a virus that just became known a few months ago?

phaz0rz 03-14-2020 07:53 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Interesting infograph here. Shows how once everyone in China miraculously recovered, and the virus started taking off in the rest of the world, the recovery rates have started to decline..

https://i.postimg.cc/wxczh489/totals.png

Something fishy about China's stats...

I almost think their "recovered" numbers are the #'s of people they incinerated that day. :noidea:

james13v 03-14-2020 08:00 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1077081)
It's undeniably spreading, IMO. How many test kits can there possibly be in storage for a virus that just became known a few months ago?

Yes, the virus is spreading, but so is testing. America has barely tested anyone. The second we start testing, our numbers will skyrocket. But that won't mean the virus is spreading. It just means the testing is spreading.

phaz0rz 03-14-2020 08:06 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
However you wanna look at it... :noidea:

Still doesn't answer where these test kits would be coming from. Any info on who's manufacturing them? And how they've managed to manufacture hundreds of thousands of test kits in 3 months?

EDIT: just curious - not necessarily saying you're wrong. I've been wondering where the hell these test kits are coming from since they started testing in December. Virus takes off.. and there's immediately a mass supply of test kits for the new pathogen?

EDIT 2: the abundance of test kits immediately available after covid started taking off sort of lends some credence to upwards' theory. Were they making test kits before covid became active? :confused:

agent006140 03-14-2020 08:21 AM

SOME DRUG COMPANY JUST submitted a new test kit for FDA approval,a speedy test kit,but so far still no vaccine which can cure the disease/
What I dont understand is Italy,how can it spread so fast and so wide?
In IRAN,it came from a city where Chinese are helping to build some engineering project and there are exchange students between the 2 countries,but Italy?
Now with the country in lockdown,everyone is out getting pasta !
Pasta and rice ,you can keep a long time,not bread but flour if you know how to bake.
Or Marie Antoinette will advise you to eat cake,if no bread

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebabe (Post 1077348)
I really wish I bought a bunch of hand sanitizers a month ago, who would have thought. I have 1 small bottle, thinking about selling it for £250. jk

it was in the news-

2 brothers in Tennesee bought 180,000 bottles by cleaning out the dollar stores,wmt,walgreen,albertson,kroger etc and list them on internet,only to be banned for price gourging,now they are sitting on huge inventory they cant sell.

Kroger is limiting the store hours,I would not be surprised others will follow.
You will be safe if you dont have to go outside your house,but to shop for staples ,avoid the after work,weekend crowd.
Small businesses will suffer,nail salon,hair salon,dentist,doctors,masseur,escort service,restaurants,movie theatres,handyman,housecleaning.
anything which would make you stand in line like customer service,skip it,
Trump may not get the virus,but Sanders and Biden could,those who dropped out like Warren and Bloomberg may count their blessing

I would think paper towels is better if they are buying for other than wiping their ass,it is stronger.
Roman soldiers get a bottle of vinegar and wooden stick,they are told to wash themselves every day.
In rural BURMA,they built their huts supported by high stilts,the toilet is a hole on the floor in the back of the hut,whatever poops dropped to the ground,they cover it with ashes and dirt ,when it gets to be too much,they just pack up and move.
In Old China,farmers advertise they will buy human manure to fertilise their crop.
In India,some monks will drink their own urine.
what is that animal,the largest rodent ,will eat its own feces to get the bacteria back into its guts to aid in digestion

who said toilet paper is cheap,me think it is rather expensive,it is bulky,yeah it is cheap if you consider bulkiness =$$.
some use newspaper,twigs and leaves and branches

baby formula?
if one is sick and cant eat solid food,wont baby formulae be good ?
toast and tea?
oatmeal,soda crackers.
clear broth

c'mon,single roll for 12 plus 8.35 ship,thats 20.35 for one roll.
surpermarkets restock quickly,just go to your local store

I wonder if buyer thinks they are buying multiple roll,wait till they file INAD

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebaystealth1974 (Post 1077415)
lol

Where I'm from, back in the 80s we'd go to softball fields with our parents and watch them play. The toilets were built on a small bridge over the creek and went directly into it.

To THIS DAY, that county still has sewage drains running into the creek from houses.

#hillbillylife

yuk,remind me never go there!
My father in law built the outhouse himself,as for bugs in the flour bag,he said thats free protein !

HEB,WEGMAN-LIMIT purchases of staples like canned soup,pasta ,eggs.
KR hiring more workers to stock shelves,
AMZN may delay shipment due to items out of stock.
I am surprised no one is raiding the vitamins shelf-anti oxidant !

found 3 bottles of bleach,told I CAN only have 2.
There is also 2 lb of ground beef per person.
managed to get some spaghetti and linguine at a good price,78 cents and 99 cents,cant be too choosey.
still no SPAM.
lots of Campbell soup though

warning-pizzas are running low,pizza lovers ,grab them while they are still available

SOME families dine on pizza every night,thats all they have for dinner.
I know a family ,wife works as driving instructor ,4 daughters,every night they order 4 pizzas,one night they did not order and the pziza joint called and asked if there is a problem.
daughters married and do not cook or know how.

there is shortage now,
questions-
if domestic flights ceased,what happens to USPS mail,as USPS does not have planes like Fed Exp or UPS?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckev26 (Post 1079588)
they will simply just restock items like that,
what will be difficult to restock is meat products, particularly lamb and beef,

GROUND BEEF is very much in demand,2 lbs per shopper

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckev26 (Post 1079588)
they will simply just restock items like that,
what will be difficult to restock is meat products, particularly lamb and beef,

if folks are not eating in restaurant,they would have to cook their own meals,unless you are a vegan,you and your family need meat.
There is a popular cafeteria called Luby,it is closing and laying off workers,

may be your neighborhood is more affluent.
We have Kroger-2 bleach,2 lb ground beef,2 hand sanitizer if you can find any,but tons of KR brand pies,meatloaf

well,affluent people who eat steak rather than ground beef!
lobster rather than monk fish (better known as poorman lobster)
cod,salmon,halibut,Chilean bass rather than catfish (you know catfish is a bottom feeder)
Russian sturgeon caviar instead of peanut butter?

Dont you guys feast on Angus beef?
Some of the restaurants here serve Aussie beef.
Argentina has beef!

ground beef is versatile,you can make burgers,you can make spaghetti,stuff green pepper,meat loaf,chile,
popular with housewife who feed a large family

walkingupwards 03-14-2020 08:33 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Nothing is going to stop this except a vaccine. The virus may hibernate during the spring and summer just like the Spanish flu did, but it will come back in the winter and cause damage unseen before.


If they are serious about doing something, they should arrest Bill Gates, interrogate him and then go from there, but reaching the speed of light is more realistic for sure.

phaz0rz 03-14-2020 08:33 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
The Italian government either wanted it to take off there, or they are so naive with their progressive policies that they didn't realize hugging infected Chinese people would be a bad idea.

Italian residents hug Chinese people to encourage them in coronavirus fight

phaz0rz 03-14-2020 08:35 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by walkingupwards (Post 1077097)
Nothing is going to stop this except a vaccine. The virus may hibernate during the spring and summer just like the Spanish flu did, but it will come back in the winter and cause damage unseen before.

We don't know how to vaccinate against coronaviruses...

It would literally be a miracle of modern medicine if they manage to do it now. :juggle:

james13v 03-14-2020 08:35 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1077100)
We don't know how to vaccinate against coronaviruses...

It would literally be a miracle of modern medicine if they manage to do it now. :juggle:

Israel has been working on it.

phaz0rz 03-14-2020 08:39 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by james13v (Post 1077101)
Israel has been working on it.

I don't think some rogue terrorist state in the desert is going to figure it out, honestly.

walkingupwards 03-14-2020 08:40 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1077103)
I don't think some rogue terrorist state in the desert is going to figure it out, honestly.



Unless the last 20 years were spent developing this virus and its vaccine :juggle:

phaz0rz 03-14-2020 08:41 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by walkingupwards (Post 1077104)
Unless the last 20 years were spent developing this virus and its vaccine :juggle:

Very valid point.

You think they waited to release it until they had the miracle cure, so they could come to the rescue and profit massively? While also increasing their prominence on the world stage?

I guess it's possible something like that took place. :suspicious:

phaz0rz 03-14-2020 08:50 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
I don't think checking for a fever is the test kit. Isn't it a mouth swab.. like the strep throat/flu test?

phaz0rz 03-14-2020 08:53 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
I love your nature posts, agent.

I think you've grown on me like rsot. :lol:

The pollen is brutal here too. I'm hoping that's the reason my nose is running and I have a little cough today.

walkingupwards 03-14-2020 08:58 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1077105)
Very valid point.

You think they waited to release it until they had the miracle cure, so they could come to the rescue and profit massively?



The problem is we are left with very little data to be able to pinpoint who exactly is behind the virus, but there is no doubt in my mind it's man-made.


Keep in mind that Bill Gates and Warren Buffett have talked about a "universal" flu vaccine that is still 10 years away, so even if COVID-19 is not the master one it could be another drill in preparation for something bigger down the line. They ran the numbers and must have drooled when they realized how much money could be siphoned off the world's gdp into their pockets.


Whoever developed the virus must have developed a vaccine for it and knew that it would take others years to figure it out, this would be the insurance policy that only they will profit from worldwide governmental contracts when the world gets on its knees begging for a vaccine.


This virus has multiple uses as far as current data is concerned, it could be used to assassinate someone, to bring down entire economies and cash in on hysterical stock market selloffs and lastly to make hundreds of billions of dollars when they decide to end the crisis with a vaccine.



COVID-19 could indeed be the magical wand of the 21st century :juggle:

997turbo 03-14-2020 09:11 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
830 thousand masks destined for the coronavirus emergency blocked in Germany

The owner Mortarotti: "We no longer know where they are".

https://primalavaltellina.it/media/2...ch-420x252.png

March 12, 2020 at 14:16













The telephone of the Api Lecco trade association has been ringing continuously since this morning: the companies, which according to DCPM of 11 March 2020 can continue to work ensuring the safety of their employees, ask where to find masks, but they are no longer found. “The mask emergency could be resolved thanks to one of our associated companies, the Dispotech srl of Gordona (Sondrio), which we have been helping for days to unlock a paradoxical situation - explains Api Lecco co-director Marco Piazza-. Dispotech srl bought 830 thousand surgical masks from China and were blocked in Germany initially by the German government ".




The facts

Let's reconstruct the facts: Dispotech srl buys 830 thousand surgical masks from China, they are imported into Germany by a German importer. On March 4, 2020, the German Ministry of Economy issued an order prohibiting the export of a series of medical devices that can be used in an emergency by CoViD-19 and thus blocks the 830 thousand masks of Dispotech srl. Thanks to the timely intervention of Api Lecco and national Confapi, together with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Italian Embassy, ​​the situation is unlocked: "We managed to make it clear that it is a transit, not an import, so they have given the green light to bring the masks to Italy, but at the moment nobody finds them anymore, they are in Germany but nobody knows where ”, concludes Piazza.


Disappear

Monica Mortarotti is the owner of Dispotech srl, a company that employs about 80 people: "We are doing the impossible to bring these masks to Italy, but we have to find where they are now in Germany, we cannot understand if they are in the warehouse of our German importer. There are 830 thousand, one part we want to donate to the Civil Protection, the remainder goes to all hospital facilities that we supply through our distributors. We have three boxes of masks here for our internal use: people come to beg us and we give them to them, we are experiencing dramatic days ”.


orginal news from Italian media:
https://primalavaltellina.it/cronaca...e-in-germania/

james13v 03-14-2020 09:17 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1077106)
depends on what the test kit is testing,the early one just check your body temperature.
they are aiming this thing at your forehead,if you are running a fever,you test positive but by the time you are running a fever and out and about,how many people have you infected?
I bet you there are many who just keep quiet,hoping it will go away or it is not corona virus or just dont want anyone to send them to hospital ,they are like roach motel you can check in but cant check out,or one becomes like a leper .

What??? NO. If your temps were high, you were possibly sick. Don't even try to claim that anyone with a fever was considered positive. That's just absurd.

phaz0rz 03-14-2020 09:33 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
I've learned from elsewhere on the internet that "test kits" are actually "SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Qualitative PCR" procedures being done in labs.

Quote:

UW SARS-CoV-2 assay is a one-step Real-Time RT-PCR assay intended for the qualitative detection of nucleic acid from SARS-CoV-2 in nasopharyngeal/oropharyngeal swabs. Results are for the identification of SARS-CoV-2 RNA.
The UW SARS-CoV-2 Real-time RT-PCR assay targets two distinct regions within the N gene of SARS-CoV-2 (the causative agent for COVID-19).
Amplification of both targets results in a presumptive positive test result, while amplification of one of two targets results in an inconclusive result, and amplification of neither target results a negative result.
That clears up the confusion I had about the immediate availability of seemingly millions of test kits. The test kit is just a mouth swab that has to be analyzed by a lab. I figured it was more like a pregnancy test, where it either shows one line or two lines after a few minutes. :noidea:

This also explains why countries are limiting the number of people being tested. It's a massive drain on lab resources if each swab has to be analyzed one at a time by a technician.

yankee 03-14-2020 09:54 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
The CDC can only process a maximum of 200 test a day! No wonder numbers of deaths and confirmed cases do not match morgue and funeral home records. How can there be confirmed cases if they can’t test them?

phaz0rz 03-14-2020 09:58 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Lol. China's policy starting about a month ago was to get the rising numbers under control by just not testing anymore. Who knows how bad it really is there by now.

walkingupwards 03-14-2020 10:19 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yankee (Post 1077120)
The CDC can only process a maximum of 200 test a day! No wonder numbers of deaths and confirmed cases do not match morgue and funeral home records. How can there be confirmed cases if they can’t test them?


This is not a coincidence, the CDC is under-prepared on purpose.

james13v 03-14-2020 10:26 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by walkingupwards (Post 1077123)
This is not a coincidence, the CDC is under-prepared on purpose.

Lets not pretend you're not pulling that out of your ass. What exactly is the point of making baseless accusations like this? You don't have any special connections with anyone. Yet you say things as if you know them for a fact. This isn't helping anyone.

walkingupwards 03-14-2020 10:37 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by james13v (Post 1077127)
Lets not pretend you're not pulling that out of your ass. What exactly is the point of making baseless accusations like this? You don't have any special connections with anyone. Yet you say things as if you know them for a fact. This isn't helping anyone.



You don't think a country as big and powerful like the US is way short on testing for COVID-19? Trump is blaming Obama for this shortage of test-kits and he is absolutely right :welcome;

997turbo 03-14-2020 11:02 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
This sounds ruthless but I think this is a Historic pic that USA put CHINA/IRAN/EUROPE countries into 1 catalog :doh:

Stay healthy everyone

https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/di...ccd0a6eeb0.PNG

phaz0rz 03-14-2020 11:03 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
If the "test kits" are just Q-tips that are sent to a lab for comparison against known covid samples, then I don't understand how there could be any sort of shortage at all.

Maybe something more like the hospitals/labs capable of qualitative PCR have maxed out their resources and can only process 200 tests per day? Doesn't sound very likely considering how many hospitals there are. Maybe there aren't enough covid samples for every hospital/lab to get a specimen to compare against? Also doesn't sound very likely.

Any details on how there is even a shortage?

walkingupwards 03-14-2020 11:13 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1077138)
If the "test kits" are just Q-tips that are sent to a lab for comparison against known covid samples, then I don't understand how there could be any sort of shortage at all.

Maybe something more like the hospitals/labs capable of qualitative PCR have maxed out their resources and can only process 200 tests per day? Doesn't sound very likely considering how many hospitals there are. Maybe there aren't enough covid samples for every hospital/lab to get a specimen to compare against? Also doesn't sound very likely.

Any details on how there is even a shortage?



https://www.businessinsider.de/inter...0-3/?r=US&IR=T



2500 cases in total for the U.S? That seems undoubtedly low :croc:

997turbo 03-14-2020 11:14 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1077139)
And what is the significance of that? Your picture isn't trying to say all of those places are the same country.. it's just explaining that travel is restricted from places where the outbreak is worst.

Considering that China has stopped reporting cases, I can't really blame the government. China is more concerned with saving face on the world stage and keeping their economy propped up than actually containing the virus, from my point of view.

yes got your point I dont trust the china gov either
but things are getting much better here I can see that in my eyes thats the truth I can swear that personally.I also had a good doctor friend who been sent to WUHAN early FEB for medical help,she back home last week said not needed extra doctors anymore there they can handle with the own now.all these are truth my friend.

ebaystealth1974 03-14-2020 11:18 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by walkingupwards (Post 1077140)



2500 cases in total for the U.S? That seems undoubtedly low :croc:

It certainly is. No worries, though, when we get these test kits the numbers will skyrocket!

phaz0rz 03-14-2020 11:20 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 997turbo (Post 1077141)
yes got your point I dont trust the china gov either
but things are getting much better here I can see that in my eyes thats the truth I can swear that personally.I also had a good doctor friend who been sent to WUHAN early FEB for medical help,she back home last week said not needed extra doctors anymore there they can handle with the own now.all these are truth my friend.

I appreciate your sincerity in this post.

I'm not trying to be mean.. it's just that the Chinese government has acted highly suspicious since the very beginning of this, and you seemed to be trying to defend them. Do you have a choice? Would your life get harder if you didn't defend China online? I'm genuinely curious.

ebaystealth1974 03-14-2020 11:20 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Probably in his mind lol

ebaystealth1974 03-14-2020 11:22 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1077091)

Still doesn't answer where these test kits would be coming from.

Our dearest friend Jack Ma (Alibaba) is going to ship us 500,000 testing kits and 1 million masks.

Pretty awesome, I guess!

phaz0rz 03-14-2020 11:23 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
I don't know man.. China is ruthless with their online censorship.

Hundreds of wechat accounts were banned, with the account owners sent threatening letters from CCP, when it first started breaking out in China and people were trying to talk about it (like we are doing here). Saying anything negative about Covid or CCP in China is known as "spreading false rumors" and is a punishable offense.

That's what got me wondering if turbo even has a choice.

ebaystealth1974 03-14-2020 11:31 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1077154)
Again though... isn't the test kit just a Q-tip?

Is Jack Ma shipping us the labs to run tests in also?

I'm guessing no one in this thread watched the speech yesterday?

We will also be using mobile testing labs. You just drive up, roll down the window, they swab you, and you go away. Results within 24-36 hours.

Walmart and several other companies will be designating certain parking areas for this procedure. The stocks of these companies also went up 5-6% yesterday in the last 30 minutes. That was all I could think about when the speech was going on and the companies were discussing things.(THEIR stock just rose!) lol

Google will be making the website for the mobile testing flowchart. (which is what initally made me think about rising stocks).

ebaystealth1974 03-14-2020 11:43 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Roche Molecular Solutions, who will be helping with mobile testing, has a manufacturing plant in NJ. They say they can have 400,000 kits out by the weekend.

Our current testing capacity is about 175,000 per week, but that is going to jump significantly pretty soon. Into the millions.

phaz0rz 03-14-2020 11:52 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Gotcha. I haven't looked into any details of how the testing kits work, or how they're made, until this morning. :noidea:

Trump just announced in a Press conference that travel to UK/Ireland will be restricted. He says the official announcement will be Monday. He also says he plans to restrict domestic travel "from certain areas."

997turbo 03-14-2020 11:55 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1077145)
I appreciate your sincerity in this post.

I'm not trying to be mean.. it's just that the Chinese government has acted highly suspicious since the very beginning of this, and you seemed to be trying to defend them. Do you have a choice? Would your life get harder if you didn't defend China online? I'm genuinely curious.

I think you knew Chinese GOV too much but very less on chinese conventions nowdays

we are at 2020. right now in china
human right can still not be respect but life is a must,china gov willnot cannot take anyone's life for joke or illegal actions.
you should see this in hongkong protest case,if this is 20 years ago,I can ensure you those black masked protestors will be all dead under army tanks.no joking.but if they dare to kill any of them by army nowdays,they might lost their state power.
same with this virus outbreak.they did respected everyone's life as they always do nowdays.
any dissatisfied job did on not cover people's life, we can speak out and complain blame grumble on personal Social media like weibo or wechat.not a problem.that is allowed.just no Politics talk would be fine.Eg you can say gov did a bad job to rescure my sister and who should be in charge and reponse about her death and whom whom should be punished and dismissed,thats all fine,not a problem.

there are only top 10 party leaders you can not talking about!others you can blame them to hell no problem with that

ebaystealth1974 03-14-2020 12:01 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 997turbo (Post 1077161)
there are only top 10 party leaders you can not talking about!others you can blame them to hell no problem with that

:lol:

:spy:


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