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Sandy D 01-07-2013 11:19 PM

Football Fans
 
Watching Alabama kick the crap out of Notre Dame makes me wonder why we dont see changes in how these games are picked.

Clearly ND is to me and has not been even a top 5 let alone a top 10 team in college.

They have been over rated all year and never really beat anyone with talent badly and escaped at least 3 losses.

Looking at this ND team I just dont see them being able to beat anyone in the top 5 at seasons end.

This is not a good thing for college football and needs to be change.

I think even Ohio St who will be the only undefeated team left would beat ND as ND is not physical and not very quick.

Thoughts.

Playoffs might be the answer but in this case it appears it would have to go 6 deep to include teams that lose at the end of the season by slim margins because like Alabama who got beat by A&M got lucky to get back into this game.

Clearly Alabama is a very good physical team and deserves to win the championship but something needs to be change.

zoneout 01-08-2013 02:00 AM

Nothing will change. NCAA makes zillions off these games. ND has the largest following in the country. Watch.... this game will have the highest tv ratings in the last 20 years in college football.

slim jim 01-08-2013 12:49 PM

they rode ND to #1 because they knew they would bring them the most 'action'

Sandy D 01-08-2013 04:09 PM

I thought it was funny how Brent Musburger made Notre Dame out to be back from their dominance as a football team. Typical Musberger then changes like clockwork to ND has a lot of work to do to be up there with the likes of some of the elite teams.

I cannot ever remember ND being dominant ever. What winning three Championship in 40 years is dominant?

When I was a kid ND was "kinda" popular but once Holtz left they have been pretty much nothing to even talk about.

AmazonStealth 01-08-2013 05:14 PM

It is all about the money, which is why they arent getting rid of all bowl games, but there is a 4 team playoff on the way (2014?), which eventually will be 8 teams.

Here is what I think.....

1. It is all about the money
2. People complain about all the bowl games, but yet people continue to watch and the ratings only get better every year, which is why they arent going anywhere.
3. Ratings don't really matter when it comes to quality. Its all about scheduling, which makes a full circle with money. A lighter schedule, essentially means more money when it comes to bowl appearance, and even more money for a bowl win.
4. Did ND deserve their spot in the BCS NC, yes of course. Their schedule was solid, and their performance proved it. Even though they were number 1 doesnt mean they are number 1, which is where the 4 team playoff will come into play in 2014.

I could go on and on with this, but it doesnt really matter, since nothing will ever be perfect. The 4 team playoff is a right move for everyone, as if there were a 4 team playoff this year ND would have been out and most likely have been Oregon and Alabama.

Sandy D 01-08-2013 06:35 PM

I agree, Oregons speed would have destroyed ND.

Playoff is needed badly.

Alabama had a lot of luck teams losing ahead of them the last few weeks but ended up destroying ND and like others deserve to be called champions.

AmazonStealth 01-08-2013 06:59 PM

Thats the issue with college currently. One loss and your season for a BCS title is pretty shot, depending on a rare occurrence of another high rated teams loss. With the 4 team playoff it will allow a great team to have a loss maybe even two and still compete for a national championship. These will help eliminate soft schedules as well as a good vs a great team in the national championship. Good (Note Dame) vs Great (Alabama) is huge difference from great (Oregon) vs great team (Alabama).

GTB 01-08-2013 08:47 PM

sandy dee u had me excited then....till i realized your talking american football :ranger:

AmazonStealth 01-08-2013 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTB (Post 408614)
sandy dee u had me excited then....till i realized your talking american football :ranger:

Soccer in the USA is not popular and never will be.

slim jim 01-08-2013 09:44 PM

I love the playoff idea but only 4 team? 2 games is blah, 8 makes it a real playoff with the chance of some amazing match ups wed never see

zoneout 01-08-2013 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTB (Post 408614)
sandy dee u had me excited then....till i realized your talking american football :ranger:

Not even... this is amateur football - you have to be a zealot, gambler, or connected to the school to be interested.

zoneout 01-08-2013 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slim jim (Post 408625)
I love the playoff idea but only 4 team? 2 games is blah, 8 makes it a real playoff with the chance of some amazing match ups wed never see

Exactly why it will never approach the excitement of college hoops tournament.

zoneout 01-08-2013 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmazonStealth (Post 408618)
Soccer in the USA is not popular and never will be.

Kind of puzzling too since it is about the most popular kids sport played in the burbs.

Only excitement I recall is when Pele came here but he was over the hill by then.

slim jim 01-08-2013 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoneout (Post 408628)
Exactly why it will never approach the excitement of college hoops tournament.

i love the nfl playoffs but i don't think anything can touch march madness

zoneout 01-09-2013 02:54 PM

NFL golden era was mid-80s. Da Bears, The Hogs, Madden in his prime, Fun Bunch, Montana, The Sack Exchange.... Football was fun back then.

Sandy D 01-10-2013 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slim jim (Post 408639)
i love the nfl playoffs but i don't think anything can touch march madness

College football and college basketball in my life has been more exciting then pro games. Not saying I never followed or watched them.

I enjoy pros but really enjoy the college games.

GTB 01-10-2013 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmazonStealth (Post 408618)
Soccer in the USA is not popular and never will be.

Hmmm i think your wrong my friend

football aka soccer is growing in the usa

and the us national team is quite good too

"never be popular" is strong statement

slim jim 01-10-2013 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy D (Post 409114)
College football and college basketball in my life has been more exciting then pro games. Not saying I never followed or watched them.

I enjoy pros but really enjoy the college games.

college games can definitely get crazy

slim jim 01-10-2013 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTB (Post 409431)
Hmmm i think your wrong my friend

football aka soccer is growing in the usa

and the us national team is quite good too

"never be popular" is strong statement

usa soccer team has been better than i have ever seen it. looking forward to the next world cup. we can score but we need to work on our defense. they rely too much on being physical rather than skill

GTB 01-11-2013 08:10 PM

aye they are getting alot better as the years pass

we have some of your national team players playing the the premier league (the best league in the world) i mite add

i think soccer will become more and more popular as your national side progress:thumb:

i like dempsey...good player

AmazonStealth 01-11-2013 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoneout (Post 408917)
NFL golden era was mid-80s. Da Bears, The Hogs, Madden in his prime, Fun Bunch, Montana, The Sack Exchange.... Football was fun back then.

Are you kidding me? Check out the ratings, demand, tv deals, player/coach contracts, etc. Never been better, more popular and more in demand.

AmazonStealth 01-11-2013 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTB (Post 409431)
Hmmm i think your wrong my friend

football aka soccer is growing in the usa

and the us national team is quite good too

"never be popular" is strong statement

Soccer will never be close to any major sport in the USA. Just because it is everywhere else, doesnt mean it will translate into America.

AmazonStealth 01-11-2013 08:34 PM

The MLS Cup got a 0.7 rating, while the BCS Championship, which was over in 10 minutes got a 15.7, and last years Super Bowl was a 40.5.

golden_monkey 01-11-2013 09:50 PM

I agree with amazon..... its dead, and will never be anything.

just cause moms toss kids in to watch them chase balls doesn't mean anything other then that.

slim jim 01-11-2013 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTB (Post 409772)
aye they are getting alot better as the years pass

we have some of your national team players playing the the premier league (the best league in the world) i mite add

i think soccer will become more and more popular as your national side progress:thumb:

i like dempsey...good player

Dempsey VERY underrated . One of his coaches told him he should try to go to a top tier team

slim jim 01-11-2013 11:29 PM

There is only ONE reason why soccer won't be bigger in America, it has no breaks for commercials therefore the people with $ are not willing to invest in it. Truth

AmazonStealth 01-12-2013 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slim jim (Post 409794)
There is only ONE reason why soccer won't be bigger in America, it has no breaks for commercials therefore the people with $ are not willing to invest in it. Truth

There are plenty of ways to advertise, so that is clearly not the reason. Burger King can plop their logo right on the field, which would hold more value than 10 30sec. commercials. The reason they dont do it is because America hates soccer. Soccer is barely on ESPN U, and extremely rare to see on the major networks. Correct me if I am wrong, but Womens Volleyball, Lacrosse, etc get more air time than soccer.

GTB 01-12-2013 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slim jim (Post 409793)
Dempsey VERY underrated . One of his coaches told him he should try to go to a top tier team

he is at spurs now aka tottenham

they are a top side in england

zoneout 01-12-2013 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmazonStealth (Post 409773)
Are you kidding me? Check out the ratings, demand, tv deals, player/coach contracts, etc. Never been better, more popular and more in demand.

All I can gather is that you are too young to have enjoyed football in the mid 80s. Why do you think they call it the No Fun League now?

slim jim 01-12-2013 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTB (Post 409888)
he is at spurs now aka tottenham

they are a top side in england

I meant more of like a Manchester team. I heard he was unhappy at the spurs

GreenBean 01-12-2013 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmazonStealth (Post 409774)
Soccer will never be close to any major sport in the USA. Just because it is everywhere else, doesnt mean it will translate into America.

It may increase in popularity if the financial side of the parents' life does not improve.

Compare costs of outfitting a lad for either sport.

Have the USA continue with financial troubles, who can tell.

:peace:

zoneout 01-12-2013 07:09 PM

The problem is that soccer doesnt lend itself to wagering at the sports books. Not enough scoring.

GreenBean 01-12-2013 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTB (Post 409888)
he is at spurs now aka tottenham

they are a top side in england

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Just like Man United

oh wait

:thumb:

GTB 01-13-2013 04:07 AM

no GB man u are above all

and it will be a long time b4 we go down hill

like liverpooool

big game today :fight:

GTB 01-13-2013 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slim jim (Post 410045)
I meant more of like a Manchester team. I heard he was unhappy at the spurs

quite possibly bro

but cant see him at united

we have 4 top front men already

rsot 01-13-2013 09:05 AM

Man U vs Liverpool - GTB who you have on your card to win :P

GTB 01-13-2013 09:30 AM

man u mate

i think 3-1

1-0 to united already

Sandy D 01-14-2013 02:34 AM

Soccer is growing in the US because less of our kids are playing football as youngsters.

It will never compete with football, basketball or baseball here. Those three just have been around way to long with all that history, memories, records, fans etc.

For me, soccer is boring to watch. Just like watching golf on TV. Nap time.

zoneout 01-14-2013 03:44 AM

Soccer is a bit like basketball in that most of the game is boring. You might as well just tune in the last 5 minutes. I will say that extra time in big games is about as good as it gets.... very similar to overtime in playoff hockey.

GTB 01-14-2013 07:30 AM

u guys are too used to entertainment and not genuine sport

watch the premier league...some of the games are edge of the seat

some games can be boring yes but this in inevitable

imo basketball is pants...baseball is lame and american football is just entertainment like WWE loool :welcome;


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