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phaz0rz 03-16-2016 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RosieTosie (Post 754895)
Trump is a joke, go Hilary!!!!

Hilary is a fraud.

Trump's campaign started as joke but has become more serious now that he has a chance.

The main reason I support him is the self-financed aspect of his campaign. The last 10 elections have gone to the candidate who raises the most money by promising stuff to corporate donors. So when they become president they are silently loyal to the special interests which support them, and not the the citizens.

It's refreshing to see a candidate run a campaign the way they want. He hasn't promised $hit to anyone and he's still ahead.

rsot 03-16-2016 08:35 AM

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He's so flagrant and uncouth that it's real.

I wonder how the latino and ethnic vote will sort out though if he secures the Republican nomination.

phaz0rz 03-16-2016 10:19 AM

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Yes, and real is good. I'm sooooo glad Marco Rubio has finally dropped out. Marco would talk at a campaign event for an hour and not say a single thing. Just kept repeating the same punch lines he thought would lead him to victory. Tons of Americans hate Trump but at least he talks out of his mouth instead of his @ss.

I think there's no doubt most minority votes will go to Hillary. But now that democrats aren't trying to elect the first "black" president, their voter turnout has gone to $hit. There are so many more Republicans turning out to vote in this election because of the phenomenon that is Donald Trump, he's got a good chance at victory.

EWHendo 03-16-2016 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 755048)
There are so many more Republicans turning out to vote in this election because of the phenomenon that is Donald Trump, he's got a good chance at victory.

I think that there are going to be a lot of people who vote to ensure that Trump DOESN'T become president. That would be an absolute disaster for the country.

Luckily, I think that if he does get the Republic nomination, enough Republicans will vote 3rd party that the votes will split and the Democrat will win.

Typically the 3rd party candidates split the liberal vote, so it is refreshing to see it go the other way. I'm really hoping this election is a catalyst to breaking the two-party system that has become so polarizing and unproductive.

phaz0rz 03-16-2016 12:38 PM

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Trump being elected president would not be disastrous in any way. He has a firm grasp on international politics and business unlike any other politician. The idea he would be disastrous has been perpetuated by the media and established politicians because they know Trump will not be a puppet once elected, like any other candidate would be. Those currently in office are doing ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING to keep him from being elected because they feel threatened by him. But the reality is he's a brilliant businessman, while all other candidates are nothing but career talking-heads.

I live in the South and I can assure you minority turnout against Trump will be far less than minority turnout when Obama was elected. Hundreds of thousands of minority voters cast their one and only vote for Obama in 2008, and have not voted since and will likely never vote again.

I do agree with you about the two-party system being flawed, Hendo. Which is part of the reason I so adamantly support Trump. The Republican establishment BEGGED him to run as a Republican a year ago. But the same "establishment" now despises Trump because he can't be controlled by the party.

Denying Trump's momentum would be denying common sense. At this point it's apparent it will be Trump vs. Clinton. Hillary Clinton IS A LIAR. As others have said, she will say/do anything to gain support. It's shameful that anyone would rather elect a pathological liar over a successful billionaire.

Hendo - I appreciate the ongoing dialogue. Most on the forum have been ignoring this discussion, but I love talking politics :)

rsot 03-16-2016 12:52 PM

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EWHendo 03-16-2016 01:00 PM

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Do you guys believe that this is simply the result of hard work / earning potential in society?

http://s21.postimg.org/6q24ryajr/inequality.jpg

EWHendo 03-16-2016 01:14 PM

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Trump is absolutely as much of a liar as Hilary. I think that Trump is actually a true PATHOLOGICAL liar though.

I believe that Hilary will lie and say whatever people want to hear so that she comes off in the best possible light. She panders.

I don't think that Trump ever thinks about what he says vs. what he has said before. He speaks with the conviction of someone who truly believes every word he is saying in the moment. I don't understand how he can claim that he doesn't incite violence, when merely days before he was saying at his rally that he wants his supporters to hurt people, and that he will pay their legal fees if they do.

EWHendo 03-16-2016 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by realdeals (Post 754855)
Of course racism isn't a choice.

You can't just turn on and off being a racist, either you are or you are not.

The ONLY way to stop a racist being a racist is by challenging and debating their ideology by education. However some fundamentals are ingrained too deeply in the individual and so the majority of times attempts to change mindsets will be futile.

In reflection, I admit there is some credence to your point. We all have instinctual racism in us that is a vestige of tribal living. People who were different than us were dangerous to our survival before we were civilized.

Allowing yourself to think, believe, or act in a manner that is racist based on those instincts is absolutely a choice. It is a choice exactly as much as making the choice to poop in a toilet as opposed to outdoors (as we would instinctually, pre-civilization) is a choice.

EWHendo 03-16-2016 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 755107)
But the reality is he's a brilliant businessman

How do you explain then, that in all the time since he's taken over his father's company, he's only made about the same amount of profit as a prudent, safe stock investment would have made?

phaz0rz 03-16-2016 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by EWHendo (Post 755128)
How do you explain then, that in all the time since he's taken over his father's company, he's only made about the same amount of profit as a prudent, safe stock investment would have made?

He spends a whole lot of money on business ventures and he hasn't gone broke. He's still a billionaire, which in my mind equates to a successful businessman. Just the fact that he's managed to stay in line with the stock market has to mean he's at least business savvy.

Regardless of whether or not he's self-made he's still not a career politician. They're the worst...

sandgnat10 03-17-2016 06:46 AM

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Dang I was gonna vote for Ben Carson. Guess I cant do that now..

rsot 03-17-2016 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by sandgnat10 (Post 755301)
Dang I was gonna vote for Ben Carson. Guess I cant do that now..

You mean Carson Daly ....:FF:

EWHendo 03-17-2016 08:55 AM

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Trump presidency rated among top 10 global risks: EIU - BBC News

Trump Presidency considered one of the Top 10 risks to global economic stability.

realdeals 03-17-2016 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by EWHendo (Post 755330)
Trump presidency rated among top 10 global risks: EIU - BBC News

Trump Presidency considered one of the Top 10 risks to global economic stability.

Something bad about Trump on a Labour biased left-wing website.

Must be true then.

rsot 03-17-2016 09:18 AM

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realdeals 03-17-2016 09:32 AM

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Better than this as first lady I guess....:FF:

http://i.imgur.com/7zBo6Qd.jpg?1

EWHendo 03-17-2016 02:44 PM

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Oh yeah, she's totally hot, check it:

http://www.surgiform.com/v/vspfiles/...coneBlocks.jpg

vogeltron 03-18-2016 03:31 AM

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I am voting for Trump when this primary comes to CA. I was a big Ron Paul supporter over the past two elections. It use to be the Republicans who were the war hawks but all Hillary knows about the globe is what she has seen through the lens of a drone. That and her slush fund to pay off foreign dictators known as the Clinton Foundation. It is amazing the amount of money the Clinton's and Bush family have stole with their Haiti foundation etc. Anyone who has not read Roger Stones books on both the Clinton family and the Bush family I highly recommend. Hopefully Bill Clinton get exposed for his ******* son Danny Williams and his countless rapes that make Bill Cosby look like a saint.

EWHendo 03-18-2016 09:30 AM

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I don't understand how you can claim war-haw behavior as a reason to stay away from Hilary, yet support Trump when he has made claims about all of "Islam" hating us, wanting to carpet-bomb the Middle East, and says that water-boarding isn't enough torture, we need more.

To be clear, I'm not disputing Hilary's war-hawking behavior. Nor her lying. I just don't understand how you guys can claim these criticisms, and in the next sentence support another candidate who is just as bad or worse.

vogeltron 03-18-2016 12:49 PM

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Look at Libya it was the richest country in the Africa. Because Khadifi wanted a Gold backed Dinari, Hilary had him killed. They set up a new central bank the day after he was ousted. The country is a complete mess and Hilary belongs in jail cell with her husband right next the Bush family.

To me Trump is the only person who wants to Audit the Feb, and can not be bought and paid for by the Goldman Sachs lobby.

rsot 03-22-2016 10:38 AM

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Time to bump this up in wake of recent primaries :thumb:

aspkin 03-22-2016 03:33 PM

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vogeltron 03-22-2016 06:50 PM

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mtproducts 03-22-2016 07:05 PM

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I'm from the Uk, and honest to god.. if i here the name 'TRUMP' again i'm going to live in a cave, this is his son... boi he must be proud, and i can only imagine he's 10 times as ruthless. http://i64.tinypic.com/1zhnhg.jpg

EWHendo 03-23-2016 07:47 AM

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I hate to give Mormons credit for anything (seriously... it is absolutely absurd that anyone could stand by Mormonism) but its good to see that there is at least one group unified against Trump.

The Republican party is scary right now. While I think a Trump presidency would be terrible, I think a Cruz presidency would be worse. I think Trump is mostly ill-informed and delusional, while Cruz seems truly evil and deliberate.

EWHendo 03-23-2016 03:31 PM

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C'mon, all you Trump supporters... answer the questions!

rsot 03-23-2016 07:00 PM

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And wear that trucker hat :thumb:

vogeltron 03-23-2016 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by EWHendo (Post 756759)
I hate to give Mormons credit for anything (seriously... it is absolutely absurd that anyone could stand by Mormonism) but its good to see that there is at least one group unified against Trump.

The Republican party is scary right now. While I think a Trump presidency would be terrible, I think a Cruz presidency would be worse. I think Trump is mostly ill-informed and delusional, while Cruz seems truly evil and deliberate.

I thought bleeding heart liberals were suppose to be all inclusive or different Religions.

The people who vote for Hiliary are ill informed. When Robert Ruben and Larry Summers suckered Bill Clinton into signing the Commodities Futures Modernization Act giving us a crazy derivatives market that could pop any day and repealing Glass Stegall.

But then again I guess I just an uniformed Racist who wants to see lobbyists go away and the Federal Reserve shut down.

glacier922 03-23-2016 09:50 PM

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Mitt Romney all the way! He's more like us stealthers (business people), corporations are people, who runs them? People my friend, people.

vogeltron 03-24-2016 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by glacier922 (Post 756945)
Mitt Romney all the way! He's more like us stealthers (business people), corporations are people, who runs them? People my friend, people.

I would rather have a fascist dictator as people call Trump who made his own money and didn't suck off the government tit their entire lives like a Clinton, Sanders, Kasich or Cruz.

Everyone in Congress and the Senate they are all criminals!!!!!! They pass all these laws they exempt themselves from. Then they play this stupid political theater but when a Ross Perot or outsider runs they threaten their family because it is a challenge to the Oligarchs.

ALL POLITICIANS ARE CRIMINALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ESPECIALLY THE BUSH AND CLINTON S!!!!!!!!! I vote to end the system and the United States wars which they terrorize on the rest of the world!!!!!!!!

rsot 03-24-2016 07:14 AM

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EWHendo 03-24-2016 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by vogeltron (Post 756996)
I would rather have a fascist dictator as people call Trump who made his own money...

He didn't make his own money though. That is misinformation. His father gave him a successful company, and he's done a mediocre job at managing it. He has successfully branded himself and his name, but he certainly did not make his own money.

EWHendo 03-24-2016 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by vogeltron (Post 756936)
I thought bleeding heart liberals were suppose to be all inclusive or different Religions.

Is that what I am? I guess one could say I am inclusive of different religions... but only out of tolerance being better than force. I am hoping for a day when religions die out due to people being educated and wanting the best for others. You certainly can't force it out of people though.

If someone is going to accept faith in mythology, despite the lack of logic it requires, than their thoughts will always be tainted in my eyes. One can't pick and choose which truths they are going to stand by and which they are going to ignore, and expect to make a valid argument.

So yeah, be Mormon or Scientologist or Catholic or Muslim or whatever if you want, but you won't get any intellectual respect from me... Unless you're a Pastafarian.

LoopHole 03-24-2016 01:50 PM

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Amazing thread! I've learned so much! :)

I just hope everyone hopefully by now realizes socialism doesn't work and never will.

The distribution of wealth using this system gets abused is not used correctly.
I myself don't like taxes and paying for other peoples stuff. Maybe some people do but not me. Socialism is higher taxes. So no thanks for any candidate that advocates that.

But then again this is just my opinion which is a fact.

newjerseymax 03-24-2016 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by EWHendo (Post 757040)
He didn't make his own money though. That is misinformation. His father gave him a successful company, and he's done a mediocre job at managing it. He has successfully branded himself and his name, but he certainly did not make his own money.

His father gave him 1 million dollars he turned into a Billion Dollar Empire... Not to mention possibly a position as President. I'm pretty sure a good portion of the population would just blow that million within first couple years...

Just look at all those lottery winners... Some of them are poor again and they had many millions. That's just a small sample.

dealagreeproceed 03-24-2016 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by EWHendo (Post 757048)
Is that what I am? I guess one could say I am inclusive of different religions... but only out of tolerance being better than force. I am hoping for a day when religions die out due to people being educated and wanting the best for others. You certainly can't force it out of people though.

If someone is going to accept faith in mythology, despite the lack of logic it requires, than their thoughts will always be tainted in my eyes. One can't pick and choose which truths they are going to stand by and which they are going to ignore, and expect to make a valid argument.

So yeah, be Mormon or Scientologist or Catholic or Muslim or whatever if you want, but you won't get any intellectual respect from me... Unless you're a Pastafarian.






what about this relatively new religion called democracy? where people worship a man/politician thinking he/she can bring about some good change in their lives and allowing them to make up laws which will dictate their lives.

vogeltron 03-24-2016 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dealagreeproceed (Post 757129)
what about this relatively new religion called democracy? where people worship a man/politician thinking he/she can bring about some good change in their lives and allowing them to make up laws which will dictate their lives.

The two biggest scams on the planet are Government and Central Bankers

dealagreeproceed 03-24-2016 05:48 PM

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completely agreed... and theres only 1 thing right now in the world that threatens the very existence of those 2 very things and it aint Donald trump :laugh:

GreenBean 03-24-2016 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dealagreeproceed (Post 757129)
what about this relatively new religion called democracy? where people worship a man/politician thinking he/she can bring about some good change in their lives and allowing them to make up laws which will dictate their lives.

Try not to believe there is such a thng as democracy.

I did two Majors in history.

This word called democracy is what triggered wars for centuries, imo.

:peace:


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