US Election 2016

[aspkin]

Woah.. this thread is starting to get heated..

We have a lot of passionate members.

[slapped]

Originally Posted by aspkin

Woah.. this thread is starting to get heated..

We have a lot of passionate members.

Well, at least for this thread, "heated" is actually healthy, I think its important that EVERYONE gets involved in MEANIGFUL political discussions, so that EVERYONE knows EXACTLY how our elected officials or potentially elected officials are attempting to "Spin" the facts. It is IMPORTANT that everyone knows ALL of the facts.

If you want a CRYSTAL CLEAR example as to how politicians mislead and outright lie to their constituents pay attention to the current Briexit issue.

First THOUROUGHLY research EXACTLY what the European Union is and does, and what Globalization TRULY is, and THEN listen to all of the talk from the politicians on the news,,,

You will CLEARLY see what Im talking about,,,,

[JamesNorth101]

Originally Posted by slapped

politicians mislead and outright lie to their constituents pay attention to the current Briexit issue.

So many lies throughout the entire campaign from both sides

It was getting pretty daft at the end

[GhostOfAmazon]

This seems like a good time to congratulate the Brits on their newfound independence.

Happy belated Independence Day guys and gals! And just a couple weeks prior to our own. May we celebrate both holidays together in the coming decades.

[JamesNorth101]

Have you guys (the chaps in the US) seen much of our Prime Minister elect Boris Johnson?

[slapped]

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101

Have you guys (the chaps in the US) seen much of our Prime Minister elect Boris Johnson?

Very little so far, but im sure thats about to change,,,he seems a "bit" conservative,,,almost Thatcher like,,,time will tell

[Haidukken]

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101

Have you guys (the chaps in the US) seen much of our Prime Minister elect Boris Johnson?

The dude always looks like he woke up in a random bush 20 minutes before they slap his hairpiece on and push him in front of the cameras. He might be the perfect example of a posh schoolboy who grew up with his mates and never had to really grow as a human.

He looks and sounds like a bleached ginger stepchild who has some sort of learning difficulty.

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[Haidukken]

If Trump and Hillary would have a kid, they would have Boris. Someone get a hair sample and lets run his DNA through some labs.

[rsot]

Originally Posted by Haidukken

If Trump and Hillary would have a kid, they would have Boris. Someone get a hair sample and lets run his DNA through some labs.

Pretty witty analysis actually

[GreenBean]

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101

So many lies throughout the entire campaign from both sides

It was getting pretty daft at the end

Point is that Politics are exactly that.... Daft.

Look at the spruiking here.

Boris for PM might be fatal.

[RosieTosie]

Despite all this that everyone has commented to this elongated thread, the most important thing to have happened recently is the gun laws are being tightened up, despite what all the gun lobbyists have been clamouring for, the laws are changing, at last some common sense is prevailing.

[RosieTosie]

Originally Posted by GreenBean

Point is that Politics are exactly that.... Daft.

Look at the spruiking here.

Boris for PM might be fatal.

Not any more it won't be Greenie, he got seen off by Michael Gove who stabbed him in the back. If Gove gets the top job now the CONservatives might just implode like Labour.

[GhostOfAmazon]

Originally Posted by RosieTosie

Despite all this that everyone has commented to this elongated thread, the most important thing to have happened recently is the gun laws are being tightened up, despite what all the gun lobbyists have been clamouring for, the laws are changing, at last some common sense is prevailing.

LOL!!!!!!

You're right!

We all know murder is against the law (the reason for these gun bills) and since it's against the law, NO ONE ever murders anyone! Yup! Just write it down somewhere it it will solve everything! Because psychopaths being told they can't LEGALLY purchase a firearm will TOTALLY make them give up on obtaining one!

[JamesNorth101]

Making it harder for a psychopath/unhinged person to obtain a gun may well not stop 4/5

Even if it does stop 1 in 5 though, surely that is a good thing?

I do think gun reforms in the US are a bit pointless though. Even if you cannot buy a gun from a store you can pop down to a garage sale and get one or order the parts and just make one yourself.

[RosieTosie]

Very unfortunately true James, but at least it's a start.

[GhostOfAmazon]

Originally Posted by RosieTosie

Very unfortunately true James, but at least it's a start.

A start to what? The only thing it will stop is law abiding citizens. CRIMINALS don't obey the law, by definition. Just like alcohol, if they make it illegal, all that will occur is normal people become lawbreakers, and the gangs will control the flow and the power. You can't undo the millions of guns already here.

If they made owning a firearm a felony offense tomorrow, only law abiding people would give up their guns. Criminals would then have a hey day and do whatever they wanted to the disarmed populace. The only "gun control" needed here is more armed people.

[JamesNorth101]

Everyone starts off as a law abiding citizen until they break the law.

Using the law abiding citizen argument always has that fundamental flaw in it

[slapped]

Taking guns away from people will NOT solve anything, look at countries like Norway, Finland, Germany, France and Denmark, all countries with heavy gun ownership, posted the lowest murder rates compared to "gun-light" developed nations, for example, Germany's murder rate was one-ninth that of Luxembourg, where the law prohibits civilian ownership of handguns and gun ownership is VERY rare. These are FACTS EASILY verifiable.

That's not to say that more guns in civilian hands equals a lower murder rate, but an argument can surly be made. The truth is that ANYONE who wants a gun, will get a gun, plain and simple. Terrorists often use the most DIFFICULT to obtain substances like C4 or Semtex (Plastic Explosives) in some of the tightest counties in order to carry out the most horrible acts of terrorism.

The truth is that it is misleading for Politicians to take an act of terrorism like the string that the world has recently experienced and try to suggest that it could have some how have been lessoned if there were less guns in the hands of civilians, THATS the real crime.

[JamesNorth101]

You need a special licence to own a gun in Germany. Its pretty different to the US model.

For anything that is considered lethal you have to prove expert knowledge, a genuine need for a gun and undergo a deep background check.

For a small arms permit (this lets you own a non lethal gas pistol) you still need to demonstrate that you are trustworthy and able to control the weapon

German gun ownership while high is about 1/4 per 100 people compared to the USA (its 30 guns per 100 in Germany and 112 guns per 100 in the USA)

Luxembourg is a very very small nation (around 500,000 population) which always throws stats off when comparing it to a country with a population of 80 million. It is also worth noting that in Luxembourg gun ownership is not that low. 15 guns per 100 people

When you compare death by guns of the 2 countries

Luxembourg has 9 deaths in 2012
Germany had 819 deaths in 2012

When population is taken into account that means Lux has a rating of 1.7 per 100,000 and Germany has a rating of 1.01 per 100,000

A single death by Luxembourg is equal to 180 in Germany. The population levels are just way too far apart for any really meaningful comparison

[slapped]

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101

,,,,,,,Luxembourg has 9 deaths in 2012
Germany had 819 deaths in 2012

'''''''''''''+ The population levels are just way too far apart for any really meaningful comparison

Do the same calculation for a 10 year period, which I did some time ago, and also do France, Great Britain and Italy and you will get a clearer picture while I do not remember the exact numbers, I do remember that the difference was negligible. I personally did 1990-2000 when I was calculated it.

[MM78]

https://www.facebook.com/MicMedia/vi...9215696884267/

[GhostOfAmazon]

Yeah, MM78, that cop hating crap needs to stop...enough is enough. 12 officers shot and 1 civilian....