US Election 2016

rsot · #**177** 04-01-2016

Hate crimes are what the media uses to keep their spiciness and public scare tactics

GreenBean · #**178** 04-01-2016

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Originally Posted by GhostOfAmazon

Freedom of speech, yes, freedom of action, no.

I don't know about the UK, but in the US, we have "hate crimes" which basically makes any normal crime (say, assault) super-charged when done as a "hate crime". Let's just say that Joe Blow, white man, assaults John Doe, white man. Normal crime. Sentenced to 1 year in prison. Now, Joe Blow, instead, assaults Andrew Smith, who is african american. The judge rules that Joe did this out of racism, so instead of 1 year, he gets 5 years in prison, for the SAME CRIME. (These are examples, not actual numbers). Point is, INTENT matters. If we're going to have laws about our race, sexual orientation, gender, etc, we should protect our nationality as well, IMHO.

That said, I think that "hate crimes" should be done away with altogether. If someone attacks me because they hate my race, gender, whatever, it's still the same result: They still will hate me regardless of the punishment, and I'll still be injured regardless of why they did it. So why have different punishments? Anyways, end rant.

Lee Rigby's family and Battalion comrades still think his murder a hate crime, in terms of the US definition.

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GhostOfAmazon · #**179** 04-01-2016

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Originally Posted by JamesNorth101

I didn't say it was a very good fence

We have English on our packing, and Welsh in Wales as well as English

Speciality foods have other languages Chinese for example.

With Re to the wall. They also sell ladders (and rope as Mr Trump worked out himself mid speech) in Mexico, but I do understand what your saying.

Yes, but I'd argue that transporting a ladder and rope is a lot more labor intensive and a lot slower and thus less effective means of getting across the border. Also, it takes longer for multiple people to get across (rather than cutting through a fence, going up one at a time on a ladder). And although I haven't looked up any studies, I do imagine the majority of illegal immigration happens en mass, not single people on foot, thus stopping vehicles is also important.

No country will EVER completely shut out illegal immigration. That's not the point. We will never COMPLETELY stop crime either, but there are ways to curb it, and lessen it's effects on the populace as a whole.

Also, people tend to forget: There aren't many countries out there with more lax immigration than the US. In Japan, you can't even get a workers visa without a 4 year degree!

We aren't Santa Clause. If anyone individually wants to give away their own stuff for free, by all means----sign me up! But don't tax me and then tell me you're going to give it away to people who haven't earned it. Screw that----it's my money. You don't work, you don't eat. We have churches (there's that pesky religion, giving to the poor and all that rubbish), charities, and homeless shelters for those who TRULY can't do for themselves. You don't need a free phone, and free internet, and $400 worth of expensive food (as someone mentioned above).

And Mexico isn't the only issue. I think most of it is our own corrupt politicians, and really, our southern border is among the least of our real problems.

EWHendo · #**180** 04-01-2016

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Originally Posted by GhostOfAmazon

Define "education".

Is it: Learn how to be a victim 101?

Is it: Feel guilty for what your ancestors did 200 years ago?

Is it: If you're a white, straight male, kill yourself?

Is it: Women should forget having children, and instead enslave themselves to a corporation?

Because that's what colleges are teaching today.

There is no critical thinking taught. It's all a bunch of PC crap, indoctrination. Most grad-students wouldn't have been able to pass Freshman year of Jeffersons day education.

While I disagree that this is what all colleges are teaching today, it does make me think of another point. Even if colleges were broken, the answer is not to make only the expensive ones work.

There is an argument that lazy trailer trash shouldn't get to go to college for free because they will squander that and continue to be lazy trailer trash. But if they have no opportunity to further their education, then they definitely will continue to be lazy trailer trash. Is it not better to educate everyone, even if only 1% take advantage of it? Betterment of society does not happen all at once, but keeping the disadvantaged down does not make it happen at all.

And the same argument goes to other social welfare programs. Sure, some people take advantage of food stamps, but is that a reason to cut them and let disadvantaged children go hungry?

yankee · #**181** 04-01-2016

Lazy trailer trash is a choice well before college years. It is either A.) Conditioning at a very early age or B.) Pure choice.

Same goes for inner city slums and to a certain degree Native Americans.

You seem to think differently.

What MAY work is taking the child out of the situation altogether. Those would be propositions that I would love to hear BUT I can not fathom one that does not infringe upon a parents rights.

EWHendo · #**182** 04-01-2016

I'm not saying it isn't, I'm saying that if someone chooses against it, they should have the opportunity to rise out of their situation.

yankee · #**183** 04-01-2016

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Originally Posted by EWHendo

I'm not saying it isn't, I'm saying that if someone chooses against it, they should have the opportunity to rise out of their situation.

Seems to be soooooooooo many chances to further your education these days. Im 35 and 18-19 years ago I was no different.
It seems IF someone wants the opportunity it already exists in abundance. The problems seems to be more of the lack of desire by most.

Now, something that I deal with all the time is the idea that life has to be what we know it to be. That things are how they are. This is incredibly frustrating to me.

We have a member of this forum that wants to live off of $50.00 a day gross income. Not because he cant do more or be better but simply because he feels life needs to be that way along with admitting to be lazy and unmotivated.

To me, that is a shame and a huge part of the problem with America along with most developed countries these days. It has become so easy and comfortable to just "Be"

yankee · #**184** 04-01-2016

One more thing that people in the private education side of things, much like this forum just paid, is that information is not the answer. You need the right motivated person and people to change things and to be motivated.

The more a person has to work for information the higher the results. Giving education away for no cost or a discounted price seems to dilute the education altogether on both the private side and the public side.

It can be exceedingly frustrating.

EWHendo · #**185** 04-01-2016

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Originally Posted by yankee

The more a person has to work for information the higher the results. Giving education away for no cost or a discounted price seems to dilute the education altogether on both the private side and the public side.

By this logic, shouldn't scholarships be very harmful? Wouldn't having your schooling paid for based on pervious merits sap all motivation, and you would just end up failing out?

yankee · #**186** 04-01-2016

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Originally Posted by EWHendo

By this logic, shouldn't scholarships be very harmful? Wouldn't having your schooling paid for based on pervious merits sap all motivation, and you would just end up failing out?

I'm stating FACTS not opinions. Thousands of studies prove this time and again. Not one study shows differently as far as I am aware.

To get a scholarship, you worked your ass off. Lets use your brain going forward.

RosieTosie · #**187** 04-01-2016

Very hard to see how difficult it seems to be for America to care for all of its people. Even basic human rights like the NHS over here or Medicare over there, we have had the NHS for so long that it seems crazy how America is so far behind us on this issue. Ok America is so much bigger, but so is its income. The difficulties facing anyone over there who has tried to bring in Medicare for all makes it look like its a case of the rich and middle classes want to keep it for themselves.

Haidukken · #**188** 04-01-2016

Heh, loving the hate we have going on here. Seems like non US people are not even welcome to express their outside opinions.

HEH, keep up the good work- I'll get the pitchforks.

MM78 · #**189** 04-01-2016

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Originally Posted by Haidukken

Heh, loving the hate we have going on here. Seems like non US people are not even welcome to express their outside opinions.

HEH, keep up the good work- I'll get the pitchforks.

You think it's bad being an outsider, try being Hispanic! The whole wall thing is to keep out the "Mexicans" and supposedly Mexico will be paying to build the great wall of Trump who by the way will be most likely built by "Trump Border Wall LLC" which will consist mostly of Hispanic Workers who will then be fired/deported back to Mexico. Makes sense? lol.

yankee · #**190** 04-01-2016

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Originally Posted by RosieTosie

Very hard to see how difficult it seems to be for America to care for all of its people. Even basic human rights like the NHS over here or Medicare over there, we have had the NHS for so long that it seems crazy how America is so far behind us on this issue. Ok America is so much bigger, but so is its income. The difficulties facing anyone over there who has tried to bring in Medicare for all makes it look like its a case of the rich and middle classes want to keep it for themselves.

Our poor people always have had free healthcare.,...Nobody except the middle class get turned away. Has been that way since before I was born.

Our middle class now get taxed and penalized instead of just buying it. For me, in my situation, I pay out of pocket the first 20K annually plus almost 10k a year....

OUR USA constitution is nothing like the UK thank God. Maybe one of these decades we will go back to start using it.

yankee · #**191** 04-01-2016

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Originally Posted by MM78

You think it's bad being an outsider, try being Hispanic! The whole wall thing is to keep out the "Mexicans" and supposedly Mexico will be paying to build the great wall of Trump who by the way will be most likely built by "Trump Border Wall LLC" which will consist mostly of Hispanic Workers who will then be fired/deported back to Mexico. Makes sense? lol.

HAHAHA That is hilarious except leaves out all stated facts and intentions.

yankee · #**192** 04-01-2016

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Originally Posted by RosieTosie

Very hard to see how difficult it seems to be for America to care for all of its people. Even basic human rights like the NHS over here or Medicare over there, we have had the NHS for so long that it seems crazy how America is so far behind us on this issue. Ok America is so much bigger, but so is its income. The difficulties facing anyone over there who has tried to bring in Medicare for all makes it look like its a case of the rich and middle classes want to keep it for themselves.

By-the-way, medicare has been around a loooong time and has been successful.
You seemed confused about the issues in the USA along with terminology. Medicare is fine.

MM78 · #**193** 04-01-2016

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Originally Posted by yankee

HAHAHA That is hilarious except leaves out all stated facts and intentions.

LOL, Most of that was just me being sarcastic....but it does sound close to what might happen! lol.

yankee · #**194** 04-01-2016

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Originally Posted by MM78

LOL, Most of that was just me being sarcastic....but it does sound close to what might happen! lol.

Love it!

I have a lot to say about the said "Wall" but it is not important enough to me to spend time typing about it today, LOL

GhostOfAmazon · #**195** 04-01-2016

EWHendo:

College costs rose significantly as soon as the federal government started subsiding college via PELL Grants and guaranteed student loans.

Forbes Welcome

Making college "free" will simply raise taxes higher and higher. Just like when you raise minimum wage, although you are getting paid more, the price of everything also goes up. It's an illusion the Democrats sell you to buy your votes. (Republicans are full of crap too, but on different policies)

RosieTosie: America is currently 21 TRILLION in debt. And we grow more in debt everyday. Giving all 300+ million people more "free" stuff is not the answer. We need to cut back on ALL entitlements. If I were dictator of a country, I would implement the 'America Works" program from House of Cards. Amazing concept. NO ONE is entitled to ANYTHING.

Haidukken: Everyone is free to voice their opinions, however, if you haven't even done the most basic research (Wall is for Mexicans, that's Trump 101) you really shouldn't be discussing and especially not criticizing a candidate.

MM78: Can I assume you're a legal citizen of the US? If so, why does the wall bother you? You worked hard to earn your way into this country---doesn't it bug you when someone else says "screw your effort, I'm going to cheat my way inside". (If you aren't here legally, nevermind, LOL!!!)

Honestly, I'm amazed that on a forum about building your own online business, there are people who support socialist principles. What does NOT surprise me is that this same person hasn't paid a dime for the information here....hmmm...sensing a pattern.

Haidukken · #**196** 04-01-2016

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Originally Posted by MM78

You think it's bad being an outsider, try being Hispanic! The whole wall thing is to keep out the "Mexicans" and supposedly Mexico will be paying to build the great wall of Trump who by the way will be most likely built by "Trump Border Wall LLC" which will consist mostly of Hispanic Workers who will then be fired/deported back to Mexico. Makes sense? lol.

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Don't worry man, they'll need to make couple o budget cuts and they'll end up building it using Jaffa cakes. It's all good.

GreenBean · #**197** 04-01-2016

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Originally Posted by Haidukken

Heh, loving the hate we have going on here. Seems like non US people are not even welcome to express their outside opinions.

HEH, keep up the good work- I'll get the pitchforks.

One of the reasons these threads end up in circles.

The Precious pontificate and attempt to brow bet others.

When the assumptions start flowing thickly, plot is lost.

jeffweico · #**198** 04-01-2016

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Originally Posted by GreenBean

One of the reasons these threads end up in circles.

The Precious pontificate and attempt to brow bet others.

When the assumptions start flowing thickly, plot is lost.

My takeaway on this is that we desperately need to bring back civics classes in the US. Too many people do not understand the way the system actually works. What happened to the prohibition on political threads?