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| dan_ebay | 04-14-2016 08:22 AM |
Re: Calling all socialists!
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Originally Posted by EWHendo
(Post 762794)
Sure... that's the thought going through my mind when me and the lady are about to get it on...
| can guarantee quite a few people here have kids just for the money. A lot of others wouldn't have them if it wasn't for the money aswell either |
| EWHendo | 04-14-2016 08:28 AM |
Re: Calling all socialists!
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Originally Posted by GhostOfAmazon
(Post 762692)
Very simple. If you have no children, you don't pay taxes for schools. If your children go to private or home school you don't pay taxes for schools.
| The problem with this thinking is that one is impacted by the schooling of children, even if they don't have a child of their own, or even if they do have a child who isn't in public school.
Unless you are a hermit and plan never to interact with anyone, the education of the people around you has an impact on your life.
The same goes with healthcare. You may feel like you shouldn't have to contribute to health services for anyone but yourself and your dependents. That doesn't do much good once the people who can't afford care have highly communicable diseases and interact with you in public.
We're all in the same boat here. Paying for a first class cabin doesn't separate you from the negative effects of keeping the people in steerage sick and uneducated. If the cook has a stomach bug, you're likely to get a stomach bug. If the crew doesn't know how to navigate a storm, you're still going to drown when the boat capsizes. You don't get the opportunity to pay for an isolated cabin or a single lifeboat when the **** hits the fan. |
| EWHendo | 04-14-2016 08:39 AM |
Re: Calling all socialists!
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Originally Posted by dan_ebay
(Post 762797)
can guarantee quite a few people here have kids just for the money. A lot of others wouldn't have them if it wasn't for the money aswell either
| Wow... I think that is pretty far off from how people think and from reality. I think you've seen that episode of Futurama where Bender adopts a bunch of orphans too many times. Can you cite any sources for your "guarantee?"
But say people are doing that, just for the sake of discussion; Should the people who legitimately need the help be punished because some people are taking advantage of the system? |
| GhostOfAmazon | 04-14-2016 09:54 AM |
Re: Calling all socialists!
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Originally Posted by EWHendo
(Post 762801)
But say people are doing that, just for the sake of discussion; Should the people who legitimately need the help be punished because some people are taking advantage of the system?
| Yes.
Or rather, "He who does not work, shall not eat."
It's even written in the Bible, the king of "take care of those in need."
2nd Thessalonians Chapter 3, verse 7-11 Quote:
7For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, 8nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”
11We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies
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Not getting into a religious discussion here, but most people would agree to use the Bible as a general standard for morality, (the New Testament, not the Old).
But if you want to give away all your money to the needy, feel free. No one is stopping you from being charitable. But don't try to be Robin Hood. I earned what I got. |
| glacier922 | 04-14-2016 01:04 PM |
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Wait wait, you used to live here??? Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenBean
(Post 762786)
Certainly Oakland is no longer the city I enjoyed years ago.
Changes are not for the better there... Sadly it is not restricted to just Oakland.
I replied to James' post about the Military.
Luckily my connection timed out as I was not genteel.
I have a close friend who did several tours in Afghanistan. Has an honourable discharge on medical grounds. He has waited 3 years for orthodontic surgery to complete his "repairs". Some clerk at his local Vet Hospital can not fill the paper work in on his behalf...
But migrant neigbors, not yet US citizens have the most modern of homes & appear to have assistance on tap.
Grave inbalance.
=}
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| EWHendo | 04-14-2016 01:40 PM |
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GOA, you sound just like Scrooge to me:
"At this festive season of the year, Mr Scrooge, ... it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir."
"Are there no prisons?"
"Plenty of prisons..."
"And the Union workhouses." demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"
"Both very busy, sir..."
"Those who are badly off must go there."
"Many can't go there; and many would rather die."
"If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
Its been a while since high school English class, but I believe the point of the story is that Scrooge learns a lesson. |
| vogeltron | 04-14-2016 05:52 PM |
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Many individuals believe that there are better ways to deal with things like poverty than Government. I.E. Church organizations, etc.
Government is the biggest criminal organization out there. They shake you down or you go to jail. Economic slavery so Octomom can get a free house and food and everything else.
No I don't really care about the masses. |
| dan_ebay | 04-14-2016 09:27 PM |
Re: Calling all socialists!
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Originally Posted by EWHendo
(Post 762801)
Wow... I think that is pretty far off from how people think and from reality. I think you've seen that episode of Futurama where Bender adopts a bunch of orphans too many times. Can you cite any sources for your "guarantee?"
But say people are doing that, just for the sake of discussion; Should the people who legitimately need the help be punished because some people are taking advantage of the system?
| not many people admit to being scum so there aren't many sources for it unfortunately, having said that I've managed to find a couple with one google search: Shameless mum: ??I?ll keep having kids to make more money on benefits? | News & Real Life | In the News - Closer 'Get pregnant for benefits' Outrage as shameless mum tells daughter have baby for welfare | UK | News | Daily Express
There are quite a few who just have kids for the money here. Lots more who whilst they want kids wouldn't dream of it if they actually had to pay for them themselves.
I have 2 women work for me who won't work more than 16 hours a week even though their kids are at school because they'd be 'worse off' or the same moneywise, they don't seem to understand or care that thats actually because everyone other than them is paying for their kids.
Really find it odd that I'm supposed to pay so much tax for other people to have kids they can't afford when I don't have any myself. Why don't people like you make a nice little charity for those who want to subsidize the local cum buckets and then I won't have to pay as much? |
| GhostOfAmazon | 04-14-2016 09:31 PM |
Re: Calling all socialists!
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Originally Posted by EWHendo
(Post 762856)
GOA, you sound just like Scrooge to me:
"At this festive season of the year, Mr Scrooge, ... it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir."
"Are there no prisons?"
"Plenty of prisons..."
"And the Union workhouses." demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"
"Both very busy, sir..."
"Those who are badly off must go there."
"Many can't go there; and many would rather die."
"If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
Its been a while since high school English class, but I believe the point of the story is that Scrooge learns a lesson.
| You know what? You're right. I think everyone should have access to other peoples stuff if they want it. So I'm going to be sending some thugs to your house to collect half of what you have, and give it to me, because I want it. Do you want to know what happens if you don't give them your stuff? They're going to handcuff you and lock you in a cage I had built. Enjoy your new utopia! |
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| yaBeh8ater | 04-15-2016 04:20 AM |
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GoA, why did you make this topic? |
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Originally Posted by yaBeh8ater
(Post 762988)
GoA, why did you make this topic?
| To heat the blood :d |
| GhostOfAmazon | 04-15-2016 07:01 AM |
Re: Calling all socialists!
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Originally Posted by yaBeh8ater
(Post 762988)
GoA, why did you make this topic?
| Honestly, I was kind of hoping someone would take me up on my offer to give me half their profits....
Still no takers. :violin: :pound: |
| GreenBean | 04-15-2016 07:21 AM |
Re: Calling all socialists!
Huh?
I thought the worn shoe was on the other foot.
You were going to make donations to us.
You could even use paypal. |
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What goes around. comes around :) |
| yankee | 04-15-2016 08:07 AM |
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I love it when non contributing members of the population ask everyone to pay more in taxes so that they get better services. It is absolutely lovely :) |
| EWHendo | 04-15-2016 08:37 AM |
Re: Calling all socialists!
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Originally Posted by GhostOfAmazon
(Post 762945)
You know what? You're right. I think everyone should have access to other peoples stuff if they want it. So I'm going to be sending some thugs to your house to collect half of what you have, and give it to me, because I want it. Do you want to know what happens if you don't give them your stuff? They're going to handcuff you and lock you in a cage I had built. Enjoy your new utopia!
| That is simply not what is being proposed or how any of this works. I've got to assume that you're just trolling now. |
| yaBeh8ater | 04-15-2016 01:05 PM |
Re: Calling all socialists!
GoA, shouldn't you be busy chatting with ebay reps? It seems a better use of your time. |
| yankee | 04-15-2016 01:53 PM |
Re: Calling all socialists!
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Originally Posted by EWHendo
(Post 763031)
That is simply not what is being proposed or how any of this works. I've got to assume that you're just trolling now.
| Well, it is pretty much EXACTLY how it works. The government TAKES wage earners money. No option. They simply TAKE IT!
So, you seem to not know how any of this works. |
| JamesNorth101 | 04-15-2016 02:28 PM |
Re: Calling all socialists!
There are counties that have no taxes that it is possible to move to.
I really dislike paying taxes but it's part of the price I pay to live in the UK.
Ultimately I do have the freedom to move to a country with no tax, but I choose to live in the UK so I have to submit to their tax laws. |
| yankee | 04-15-2016 02:42 PM |
Re: Calling all socialists!
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Originally Posted by JamesNorth101
(Post 763103)
There are counties that have no taxes that it is possible to move to.
I really dislike paying taxes but it's part of the price I pay to live in the UK.
Ultimately I do have the freedom to move to a country with no tax, but I choose to live in the UK so I have to submit to their tax laws.
| Or proactively vote and take part in general elections. That is what these threads are all about.....
Adding more socialism or keeping or possibly removing some in the USA via 2016 election.
All the other crap you guys are talking about is insane lol |
| vogeltron | 04-15-2016 04:47 PM |
Re: Calling all socialists!
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Originally Posted by JamesNorth101
(Post 763103)
There are counties that have no taxes that it is possible to move to.
I really dislike paying taxes but it's part of the price I pay to live in the UK.
Ultimately I do have the freedom to move to a country with no tax, but I choose to live in the UK so I have to submit to their tax laws.
| Yes there are. The only problem is they are very hot and you pretty much must join a religion. Otherwise I would be down. |
| GhostOfAmazon | 04-15-2016 07:24 PM |
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EW: Yes, that's exactly how it works. My taxes are used to fund socialist crap. If Sanders were elected, he would raise taxes to pay for said socialist policies. If I don't pay my taxes, I go to prison.
Please, explain to me how those situations are different?
James: Yes, there are countries that don't have an income tax, but keep in mind, if you're a US citizen, you have to pay for Social Security (15%) no matter where you go, unless you renounce your citizenship OR work a regular job in said country and pay taxes there. Anyone self-employed has to pay taxes to the US Gov no matter what. |
| GreenBean | 04-15-2016 07:46 PM |
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This is getting boring and serious. |
| GhostOfAmazon | 04-15-2016 09:10 PM |
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You're right GB. Can we all agree that EW should redistribute his wealth to the members of this forum? I think this is a good idea. |
| yankee | 04-15-2016 09:11 PM |
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HAHAH Toooooo funny! GOA and I most likely could be pretty good real life friends |
| GhostOfAmazon | 04-15-2016 09:14 PM |
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Well he does seem to be a big fan of Gandhis' philosophies, and Gandhi said: "Be the change you wish to see in the world." so it's only logical..... |
| GhostOfAmazon | 04-15-2016 09:15 PM |
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Scratch that. Better idea:
EW can make stealth accounts and give them away for free to members who can't or won't make their own! Since he has the knowledge and abilities to do this, it's his responsibility to provide this service to those who are unable for any reason to do it themselves. There we go!
I'll take three 10 item a month accounts please. |
| GreenBean | 04-15-2016 09:29 PM |
Re: Calling all socialists!
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Originally Posted by yankee
(Post 763168)
HAHAH Toooooo funny! GOA and I most likely could be pretty good real life friends
| Aye!
Been checking my bank account daily.
No donations as yet.
:bounce: |
| GhostOfAmazon | 04-15-2016 09:47 PM |
Re: Calling all socialists!
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Originally Posted by GreenBean
(Post 763175)
Aye!
Been checking my bank account daily.
No donations as yet.
:bounce:
| Don't worry, our dearest hippie penguin, soon EW will rescue us with a windfall of disposable income and\or stealth accounts! :thumb: |
| yankee | 04-16-2016 05:01 PM |
Re: Calling all socialists!
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Originally Posted by GhostOfAmazon
(Post 763178)
disposable income
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I wish the government only took disposable income |
| GhostOfAmazon | 04-16-2016 05:52 PM |
Re: Calling all socialists!
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Originally Posted by yankee
(Post 763321)
I wish the government only took disposable income
| Under Trump, that's exactly how it would work.
First 25k in income is untaxed (50k for married couples) |
| yankee | 04-16-2016 05:56 PM |
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in 2013 my total tax rate excluding city, town, sales, excise, use and property taxes was 63%
I now have got it down to around 50%
Crazy how much tax the government(s) want and take(literally) |
| GhostOfAmazon | 04-16-2016 07:22 PM |
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BTW, since we're on the subject of socialism, how do you UK folks feel about leaving the EU |
| GreenBean | 04-16-2016 07:44 PM |
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Should NEVER have joined in the first place.
Harold Wilson betrayed his mandate, imo.
In the 70's we were just doing OK.... Just.
Then we got lumbered with a great bunch of wallies in the form of the EU.
The EU was smaller then... life had none of these days' horrors. Refugees were not the norm.
Apart from being Scouse, I was not a stranger in my own land of birth.
Today I am.
:mad: |
| JamesNorth101 | 04-17-2016 12:17 AM |
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In theory the EU is a good idea
In reality it's a disaster. (A lot like communism!)
I do like the idea of being able to move to any EU country with ease, but that advantage is outweighed by the EU being able to just make up laws that apply to the UK without the UK having any say in it |
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For those who want the EU explained....Enjoy. |
| JamesNorth101 | 04-17-2016 01:02 AM |
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That video makes it all seem like a total mess! Oh right.... that because it is all a total mess |
| GreenBean | 04-17-2016 01:18 AM |
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Mess?!?!?!?
I have another term for it but it is not PC correct.
The point is people tried to say not to go down the path of the EU.
They had reasonable grounds.
The voiced fears were ignored and swept under the table. |
| glacier922 | 04-17-2016 01:29 AM |
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Eu = United States of Europe |
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