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If anyone here is selling books on Amazon be very careful. The Feds are monitoring and subpoening buyer records which in turn means they probably will be contacting the seller as part of an active investigation. This is crazy now people cant buy or sell books without being labled as a terrorist ?

Newly unsealed court records have revealed that the U.S. government issued a subpoena to Amazon.com seeking to obtain the identities of customers purchasing books through the Amazon marketplace. The snooping attempt was blocked by U.S. Magistrate Judge Stephen Crocker who wrote in a recently-unsealed ruling, "Well-founded or not, rumors of an Orwellian federal criminal investigation into the reading habits of Amazon's customers could frighten countless potential customers into canceling planned online book purchases."

Is the U.S. government trying to profile the psychology of its citizens by secretly data mining their book purchasing habits? Since 9/11 and the passage of the ill-designed Patriot Act (which, if anything, is traitorous, not patriotic), it seems that the U.S. government is aggressively expanding its powers to search records, tap phones and surveil electronic messages, all in an effort to conduct Gestapo-like profiling operations on its own citizens. It is now a well-known fact, for example, that domestic phone calls and e-mails are now tracked and recorded by the U.S. government, then mined for "dangerous" words which are linked back to those callers.

"The subpoena is troubling because it permits the government to peek into the reading habits of specific individuals without their knowledge or permission," Judge Crocker wrote in his ruling. "It is an unsettling and un-American scenario to envision federal agents nosing through the reading lists of law-abiding citizens while hunting for evidence against somebody else."

Welcome to Police State Amerika
This News.com story by Declan McCullagh documents how AT&T opened up its massive telecommunications network to U.S. government security agents who used it to profile the telecomm behaviors of AT&T customers. Curiously, the Bush Administration jumped in and classified key AT&T documents, preventing them from being presented in federal court (so we'll never know what they really said).

For years, the FBI has been operating its ultra-secret Carnivore program that surveils emails, capturing keywords in e-mail communications across the internet. You can read about it on this Wikipedia page. There's also the Total Information Awareness program from DARPA which sought to create a massive domestic surveillance system that would keep tabs on virtually every electronic transaction made by Americans. Congress defunded the project once its existence was made known by a New York Times reporter. In response, the Feds simply renamed it, refunded it from other "shadow" funding sources, and continued to build the project. It is now up and running behind the scenes here in America. (You can keep tabs on this program and other shadow government operations at the ultra-popular Jeff Rense Program website, which posts daily headlines on this topic.)

Increasingly, the U.S. government is operating in secret, using greatly expanded police state power to spy on its own citizens. This attempt at acquiring Amazon.com book records is just the latest round in an ongoing campaign of secret police tactics being used against the American people by its own government... a government that was once created "Of the People, By the People and For the People" but now seems a lot more interested in terrorizing the people through fear-based politics and war mongering propaganda.

This is no conspiracy theory, it's present-day Amerika
None of this is "fringe" information or conspiracy theory guesswork. Every statement made in this article is a matter of fact that's easily verified through publicly-available records and news reports (not to mention common sense observation skills of what's really happening). It's not even a secret anymore: The U.S. government openly admits it is spying on U.S. citizens through various programs, but claims it's all necessary to protect the public from "terrorism." Remarkably, most U.S. citizens actually agree with the government on these points, and they happily surrender their privacy and freedoms in exchange for the (empty) promise of security.

These people claim, "If you haven't done anything wrong, there is nothing to be afraid of when it comes to domestic surveillance." In doing so, they firmly establish themselves as the reincarnated ghosts of Nazi Germany war criminals, who used the same distorted logic to justify police state laws and round-em-up policies that eventually led to the mass murder of millions of innocent civilians.

Why governments are more dangerous than terrorists
Speaking from historical fact, there is no entity more dangerous to the safety of human beings than a government. More people have been murdered, tortured and imprisoned by governments than by any other definable group (including those involved in the religious crusades). This is precisely why the founding fathers of the United States of America were careful to place the People in charge, establishing a system where the government answered to the People, and where power was never centralized in any single government office or department.

Examine this list of the worst genocides in the 20th century, and you'll notice one fact that stands out: Almost all of them were committed by governments against their own people! Even more importantly, these were all committed by governments where power became too centralized and the People were stripped of their freedoms, rights and privacies.

Do you notice the pattern throughout history, and do you see where the U.S. is logically headed?

The stripping away of the power of the People is, historically, a consistent prelude to mass genocide. That's why keeping power distributed throughout society was crucial to the engineers of the original United States of America. Shared power is safe power. A government with checks and balances that actually work is a much safer government than one where the President, for example, can bypass the legislative process by issued Executive Orders. (How many executive orders has Bush issued? Click here to see the list yourself.) Concentrated power is almost universally dangerous, and the use of executive orders to bypass Congress and create whatever laws one person wants to create is a dangerous sign of a growing dictatorship. Shared power is essential in any free society.

But today's U.S. federal government has long since abandoned any ideas of shared power. Today, it steamrolls over the People of this country, tapping their phone lines without warrants, searching them without probable cause, arresting and imprisoning them but not charging them with any crime, arbitrarily adding their names to "no fly" lists used by commercial airlines, and engaging in other serious transgressions. This example of the U.S. government attempting to acquire customer records from Amazon.com is not any real deviation from the consistent behavior of the U.S. government today: It wants to gather information on the People, surveilling everyone and then selectively declaring who is a "criminal" and who isn't.

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Some of us are not all surprised by this. Our own government have been trying to do exactly the same. The national identity card was only narrowly prevented.

I love that 'if you've done nothing wrong you've nothing to fear' mentality.

Sleepwalking into dictatorship and it's happening right now
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Interesting post.
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Old news. Society has been doing this since the beginning of time. At least innocent people aren't tortured for information anymore
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Old news. Society has been doing this since the beginning of time. At least innocent people aren't tortured for information anymore
Hmmm - not sure you're right there Axcend - not sure at all
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This is all part of an occult based New World Order, with a geoglobal police state slowly coming into play.
Each day a new bill is introduced or even passed, while the millions of world citizens fall asleep at the switch, due to distractions such as sporting events, work, and dancing with the stars.
What seperates and also links together at the same time past events are the new false flag attacks. Hitler had his and Bush Jr. has his as well.
When the patriot act was passed this basically stripped our liberties away. Anyone can now be arrested and detained as an enemy of the state and held without a trial indefinetly. Books are being banned left and right, Phones and emails tapped. And this time theyre playing for keeps because the world governments are the Nazis's and the worlds citizens are the oppressed.
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I've heard this argument before and I'm not convinced.

I do believe however that we get the government we deserve. We get bribed with our own money and we believe everything the lying toe rags tell us.

I like the argument 'stop voting - you're only encouraging them'

Government likes to control and most western people like to blame the government for everything - therefore we get the government we deserve. You need SSN numbers, passports, licenses, these didn't come about because they were natural, they came about as a natural consequence of people wanting control of others.

But that's the rub - they want everyone else controlled - after all they do nothing wrong and therefore they do not need controlling. It's always 'the others' - the immigrants searching for a better way of life, the unemployed and the sick who wont die quietly
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I still don't see what would benefit them from watching me purchase anime books.
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LOL - that makes you a threat to national security RedX - you are gonna be in deep poo!:D
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Entertaining read but is it new 'news', as the link says 2007.

Got me thinking though

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We're leading up to the Mark of the Beast
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I agree that our government is out of control. Enough with all of the new rules, laws, regulations, etc. The new thing seems to be that if the government does not like something, then it MUST be supporting terrorists. This allows them the cover to go after it.

Having said that, I sell a lot of books on Amazon and have never ONCE been asked about anything related to my book sales by anyone from the government.
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Our government...Ha! their government! Now they don't need a warrant to enter your home anymore just info that something mite be happening there.
People study old civilizations to find out why they failed or died off... but the real reason is it's leaders doing the what's been said in the above posts.
What emperor or leader will let a slave write down in history their LUST FOR POWER destroyed their civilization? That's why it's a mystery why the empires like the Romans, Incas, Egyptians, etc vanished.
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If your not doing anything wrong then what does it matter if they know what books you purchased?
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If your not doing anything wrong then what does it matter if they know what books you purchased?
Actually I don't think books are the issue here. It is the constant snooping into our lives by government - and we all encourage it. "They ought to do something about the immigrants" "It's about time they did something about the scroungers on welfare" "It shouldn't be allowed ......" "This should be stopped ....." and every time we encourage that we let the snoopers into our lives.

As an example for thousands of years farmers in the UK have reared sheep without any problem. Now every sheep has to have an electronic implant - why? so that some nosy civil servant can tick them off his list. All done because someone in authority wanted to know more about farmers.

The argument that if you have nothing to hide or if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear just doesn't wash.

In the USA right now you see liberties being eaten away in the name of counter terrorism and all the Fox News viewers and their ilk are cheering it on.

So now Paypal can check your SSN. Who the hell are Paypal to have that authority?

So, it's not about books - it's about privacy.

Government for the people by the people not Government OF the people by some of the people

Or am I getting it all wrong?
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Going POLITICAL .

Not for here.
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