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Finally a Market Place that wipes out E-Bay.
 

So,

This might sound way out there-

An idea just hit me that may sound crazy.
But HEY! People told Igor Sikorsky he was crazy and also told him a helicopter would never fly.

We have a ton of brilliant minded people on this forum.
There is resources for SEO, web programing, desighn and the list goes on..

We all have our "story" of how "unfair" e-bay is and what they have done to us.

With Aspkin at the helm, how can we manage the Stealth Forum into a website that does what E-bay does?

Lets say every member here (who agrees), does a small part.

Then, every day Askipin and his administrators deligate tasks to all of us.

We all get a bit of stock in the company for reimbursment, and either Askipin or one of his administrators START A NEW E-BAY! (Different name, of course).

WHO BETTER TO DO THIS THAN THE PEOPLE ON THIS SITE?!?!?!

I am serious, nobody knows ebay's weaknesses and laws better than the people here.

I'm a newbee to all this, but I can be pretty creative with my thinking.
Just as I have seen with a lot of the people here on this site.:clap:

Ebay is HUGE, HUGE.. (I'll say it again) --> HUGE!!
Much bigger than people can imagine.
Even if a new website tapped into a tiny percentage of what ebay has, it would be massive.

All the way through still doing stealth..

Strength in numbers!
I think it could be done.
It's just a matter of who wants to do it.

I know it sounds "after school special" like... but hey- thats how dreams are made!
Wouldn't that be an amazing story?

I'll risk the "ridicule" here by posting this.

Who knows, maybe it will spark an idea to those here, and it starts a whole new movement.

Just brainstorming.

Any body have any thoughts?

My first question is what are you smoking and if it's good, pass it over :)

Seriously though, a noble thought but the logistics are heavy - a lot of development etc.

Plus whoever gets this kind of site going is likely to phase out the other people who are competing...then again, plan it out and who knows :)

I would be very interested in this. I think it could be easily done and if marketed correctly, it would be extremely successful.

I agree with rsot however, this would take a lot of planning, development and CASH. I don't think its realistic to try to start a website/endeavor of this size without any start up funds.

auctionweb
 

Yea, I hear ya,
But ya know there are alot of people on this forum who are makeing a lot if cash on E-Bay.
Alot of these guys are business minded, and might invest..

Also thats what people said to Mr. Pier Armidar in 1995.

Peir Armidar started a website called (auction web).
He wanted a truely democratic environment.
Everyone laughed at him and It took him quite a while because he was ALONE.

Everyone thought he was foolish and at first (Auction Web) was only used for buying and selling computer parts.
Nobody thought (Auction Web) would ever work..
Who would buy from people they don't know on the web, right?

Today (Auction Web) has been sold, but evolved, has over 75 MILLION users, it generates over 50 BILLION DOLLARS and is now known as (E Bay).
It's just been a dream of mine.
No way to ever do it on my own.
I Don't have the knowledge - nor time.

Here , we got numbers, AND a perfect road map on how to tap into this market.

I know that in order to organize something like this is really tough. But, someone who has major management skills could do this, with the help of a whole community of disgruntled ebay "stealthers".. Don't ya think? .

We got the troops... Who knows?!?!?
Thing is, E-bay started as a stupid little auction place that was auctioning - Computer parts. The original owner sold the URL and then it just TOOK OFF..

Any other thoughts?

I'm gonna stick to selling on Ebay, when your site blows up...I will sell on it!

LOL.. : )
Well yea, of course continue in "stealth mode" ..

But hey, again- this is how things evolve.. -Ya never know... I sent PM to Askpin.
He is the curator here.
So I figured I ask him..

Hey Hunterstudious, why don't you Pm Askpin?
See if he knows anyone who would invest or if he would support this.
See what he thinks about it.


I'm just brainstorming, just throwin ideas, and would like to see what everyone would say about this.
I don't have computer skills, but can manage.

If there was a"sub group" within the forum working on this.
I bet ya it would take on...

I would really like to see what Askipin says.
I would like to know if he ever thought of this.

The difference is , you are trying to reinvent the helicopter. Good luck with that. Do you think you are the first one to come up with such brilliant idea? Big companies with millions at their expense don't even dare and those who dare don't even come close.

Go through this section...and check out how many people have started similar ebay websites...

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Hey - I don't know-I hear what you are saying... But here is the difference.
We are a community of intelligent, recourceful DISGRUNTLED- e-bayers, and Askpin knows the laws, the history. There is strenth in numbers and I don't think these other websites had that.
Your probably right, but what the hell it's good conversation.
(Your either a leader with vision or a follower of a leader with vision).

History lesson No. 1

You are never going to knock ebay off their perch.

Only one company in the world could to that today and that would be google.

As the person who create what I believe was the first stealth account in 2003 and had ideas of doing what you are thinking even back then I quickly realized they are a household name and you might as well join them and learn how to use them for your own good.

No one who sells tons of items here or anywhere would have the time to help run a website to the kinds of numbers you would be talking about.

Hey stanislav..
I never said that "no one else ever thought of it" and I never said it was some "Brilliant Idea"-

Hey - I don't know-I hear what you are saying... But here is the difference.
We are a community of intelligent, recourceful DISGRUNTLED- e-bayers, and Askpin knows the laws, the history. There is strength in numbers and I don't think these other websites had that.
If they had millions and it still didn't work for them, than you got a point.
Your probably right, but what the hell it's good conversation.
(Your either a leader with vision or a follower of a leader with vision).

I am disabled now, however back when I told people I would build a Rotorway Helicopter and then fly it.- no one believed me. "They said many others have tried"..now I laugh at how small minded those people are.

Anyway, innovation comes from dreaming- someone's got to do it..

I never said that I am disgruntled so careful on that word :)

A good conversation yes but the development takes time...and the marketing is extremely tight.

I agree. Someone will eventually take em out...
Until then- STEALTH BABY~! : )

I think there is a difference between being innovative and a dreamer. You are trying to reinvent the wheel. It's not possible because the wheel is already rolling. Ebay cannot be taken out. The only company that can come close to it is Google and even they aren't trying.

This thread reminds me of another post...
http://www.aspkin.com/forums/other-a...down-ebay.html

Instead of trying to take down ebay....learn to play their game.

Oh this thread is to infected , Ebay shouldnt be taken down ( true story ) but they can absolutely have Some competition.

To start something that "steal".....well lets say 7-9% of ebays buyers, that will cost.....NOTHING, but you need several skills and have the time to make scripts and marketing strategies, design, the only cost if some of us really did this would be hosting, red bull and domains.

Over n out.:)

The only competition on the market to eBay is Amazon. Can you even compete with Amazon? No you can't. Also if you are talking about people who actually know anything about scripts , seo etc this is not the forum where you will find these kind of people. No offense to anyone by the way.

Your idea is just unrealistic and very immature. Again no offense but I am just telling you how I see it. It belongs to the same ideas concept of peace, let's make the world a peaceful place. If only everyone was nice to each other we would have world peace. Not happening anytime soon.

So unless you have a revolutionary idea that no one came up with, you should just let it be and find ways to make money on eBay. If you can't win, join them.

I have one question, how many members are there on this forum alone?

You need more than numbers, you need $$$ and tons of it!

I think you should start selling some of the drugs you are using and it would be much more profitable

You made an error of not searching on the forum FIRST.

Topic addressed time and time and time again.

Thread now moved to its correct place.

Be careful of wacky backy in future. Clouds the brain cells.

You do not know that all of us here are disgruntled in the first place. Sure some of us have been hard done by ebay.

Now we take advantage and beat them. My profits from selling are going to my bank account.
And that's the way I like it.
:peace:

I dont like ebay and their business practices but as long as they continue to keep the cash flowing into my hands I will keep playing the game.

$$$$$$$$$$


And when I play I like to win and get paid to boot.

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Who cares..............

Then who cares about your dumb business plan or dreams.

If you want to start a eBay like website, go find a venture capitol group, pinch them your idea and hopefully they take your BS.

Any new selling website is only going to run into the same old problems;

How do you stop people from selling f@kes?
How do you stop people from ripping each other off?
How do you stop companies threatening you with legal action for allowing people to sell their products?

The thing to me is if ebay was gone I would be too, I need ebay and paypal right now, not to say I do not get upset at times but I need them. I will never chase away the breadman even if sometimes he is not the nicest. If you play straight and know the rules, 95% of the time ebay and paypal leave you alone. The fees are high so is everything else. I mean if you cant sell for a profit and somebody else can, which ebay has proven over and over someone else can than why not take the money, just like we do! I am not an ebay lover but I really need them if they or paypal were gone. I have no idea how or who my customers would trust and send me money half way across the country or the world for that matter. I think they do the payment setup retarded on paypal but I am assuming they base that system on some figures that I am not privvy too.

after reading all these posts i agree i was very peed off with the way i was treated on ebay and with paypal.
but now im back on and my stock is shifting again i feel as tho everybody needs ebay as they are the ones who are putting the money into our bank accounts
however
i have noticed that a lot of people are now selling on facebook as there are no fees etc and believe me there are a lot of them.
half my items listed on ebay have been sold on facebook before the auctions on ebay have ended.
so i wonder how long it will be before facebook starts doing a dedicated website like ebay.
facebook started off with hardly any money and look at it now.
i also wonder how many people are actually on facebook compared to the amount of people on ebay.
i reckon itl be roughly about the same amount or maybe even more,everybody has a facebook account nowadays but not everybody sells on ebay.

if anybody could put the stats up id be very intrested to know

Bottom line is there are plenty alternatives already out there but none anywhere near as popular as ebay - AZ is not an auction site. So what makes your idea any better than the dozens of small fish players already out there like ioffer, ebid, etc...

I like ebay because I know how to get around it and use it, the ones that dont, either learn or fall off...

forumer imjustme was developing one, last time I heard...

Etsy did it. Bonanza did it. Sure, they're not as huge as eBay, but still worth over $100M after only a few years. Both didn't have huge startup funding.

In my opinion, it's not about "wiping out eBay", it's about making something better. MySpace dominated social networking until Facebook came along. Facebook didn't do anything new, they just did it better.

It's in people's nature to move on when something better, not something new, comes along.

Many years ago I tapped into a market that was flooded with competition. I started a small company with almost no funds and turned it into a huge business with thousands of paying customers. In less than 18 months, the company was called an "industry leader" by some of the largest newspapers and magazines and guess how much I spent on advertisement? Probably less than $500. No joke.

Other companies in the same industry spent hundreds of thousands on advertisement and never grew to the size of my company. What helped me most was a loyal following of my first customers and I can proudly say that the first customer I ever got was still there when I sold the company.

It doesn't take millions or billions to compete with larger companies. It doesn't always have to be something new, but it does have to be something better.

And still am, since almost 2 years now. I've actually tried to address some of the problems that eBay has with counterfeits and low quality Chinese goods. Not going to say any more about it, though.

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Come on guys only the first idea survives (unless gets re-invented). Why dont we make second google and facebook? even Ricky Bobby knows it:
"If you aint first you last!!!"

Not necessarily. Even if you were the first pioneer and don't compete well against other laterer-comers, you can still get wiped out. Take credit cards for instant, Diner Club formed the first "general purpose" credit card and yet most a lot of people don't even know about them or about the Discover credit card systems at all.

Google wasn't the first search engine.

Facebook wasn't the first social media.

Remember Altavista? HotBot? Yahoo? Lycos? Excite? They were huge before Google came. Yahoo still exists but is nothing compared to what it used to be.

Remember MySpace? They were huge before Facebook came. What did Facebook do different? Almost nothing.

Is in people's nature to move on when something new comes along. Eventually they will get tired of Facebook and move on. If I was Zuckerberg, I would sell my shares now and get out.

Yahoo had an offer for several billion dollars from Microsoft a few years back and they rejected it. Now they're barely worth a few hundred million.

It's not good to belive that Ebay will be the Leader forever, just like imjustme says it's thoose who make things better that make people choose their site. Look at Columbus , he wasnt first and still most famous, ebay wasnt first neighter , it doesnt matter who does it first it's always about who does it best.

Yes guys but when google came out there was no company controlling 97% of the market to fight. When facebook came out there was no other social media site with a billion people on it. They both came out when market was still young and now is saturated. Other thing is people are afraid of change. Look how much they protest when FB changes to timeline. But now it seems nice right?
When market is full you cant be a new comer without money. It can only be done if there is still room in the market

Actually, it is possible. I did that a few years ago in an industry that was absolutely floodednwith large companies that had large venture capitalists backing them. I paid well less than $1000 in advertising and ended up creating and a few years later selling the industry's largest company.

I will agree, it's not very likely. For 10,000 that try, 9999 will fail. But it's not impossible.

eBay will likely remain the largest online marketplace for some time to come and they will not fall anytime soon. eBay doesn't control 97% of the market. Amazon also has a huge share. Bonanza and Etsy also have ever-growing percentages.

Anyone who thinks they can beat eBay is wrong. You don't need to beat eBay to succeed.

"Etsy did it. Bonanza did it. Sure, they're not as huge as eBay, but still worth over $100M after only a few years. Both didn't have huge startup funding."

This is a good point.

I do this it would be possible to start up a site that takes a chunk of eBay's business. Becoming a huge rival however I think would be near impossible.

It takes money to make money as they say.

My advice would be if a new site was to be set up then a team of say 20 people should be involved and all invest £1000+ each in the site so there is a minimum of £20,000 in the pot that can be spent on hosting and advertising.

If the time was take to set up the likes of a Facebook page for it where all involved invite their friends to it and promote the page on forums like this the page could be very big very quickly.

A banner add at the top of this site alone could drive a lot of people into signing up.

I'm sure not accepting Paypal would attract a good few sellers, lol. Especially seeing as most of us on the forum are here because of the headache they cause us.

Bottom line is though you would need a team of highly motivated, highly skilled and highly dedicated people to get something like this off the ground and like previous mentioned when it is up and running a team of people who are monitoring what's on sale, customer services etc etc etc.

There would be a hell of a lot involved in doing it "properly".

Dead on correct.

Could not have said it better myself.

People need to look at the entire picture. Not just having startup money as many have and lost their butts, but you need lots of other things such as a customer base, marketing, luck, research and the list goes on and on.