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The end of PayPal Stealth?
 

Now it's starting to look like the eBay and PayPal separation is the worst thing that could've happened to stealth users.

Separation was done on July 17, I got an account limited for 180 days on July 17 and another one 10 days later on July 27.

I know what I am selling has a lot to do with the limitation, but now things has changed, at least for me, before my eBay account was the first to get suspended then my PayPal account will follow in a week, my main concern used to be with eBay and how to stay under the radar. After a few months I have learned quite a few things and managed to stay under the radar on eBay, I managed to sell without getting my listing removed.

Now things has changed, it's PayPal that is initiating the suspension first which will eventually lead to an eBay suspension.

I am not saying that this unheard of, I am only saying for me it was never like this before, it seems that PayPal upgraded their security system, new accounts are being put under a random review, they are more strict then they used to be before the separation.

Perhaps I am wrong, but there is definitely a change since July 17, and it's not to the good.

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It just means PayPal did not link what your doing

PayPal stealth is still alive and well so long as its done correctly. Sell high risk items and you will always run the chance of getting shut down

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Here comes the sky

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I don't sell high risk items but 3 of my paypal got limited

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Paypal was tough two months ago. Now seem to be back to normal or not hyper sensitive.

Ebay is the beast right now.

Are your accounts in similar locations and sell similar items?
If not, do you ship from one location? If so, do you print from ebay?

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mines the opposite yankee...ebay is no problem but paypal is the beast right now deffo.....limited 2 of my accs this month since split which ive had no bother with in last 12 months......no coincidence :(

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Selling replica items is high risk..

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Why dont the account sellers make a list and publish it as a sticky as to what is high risk.

There is always talk of what is high risk, but many people are not aware of what is and what not. Everyone just thinks Vero or branded items is high risk.

I was once told £25 items where high risk because of the price. Well i definitely aint in it for sell £4.99 bits of tat from China :)

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no offense but that would take a century n a half to do...:doh:
for the most part its common sense and lots of threads on it already...

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Stealth will always live on - in different forms and approaches

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I've fought the suspension wave successfully - sent tons of docs, spent like 2-3 full days just to resolve all PP questions. Not a single suspension. And I sell very risky stuff.

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Not at all, no it wouldnt.

Sellers of accounts always blame high risk items, which of course they could be right. So, what are high risk items.

Ill start you off...

Branded Goods - any 'official' brand
Replica Items - every item in the world is a replica of something in a way, so what classes as a replica?
Value ??? what is the value of a high risk item?

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Eastern Europe..its like the wild west, you've only just got electricity and computers havent you? :)

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:shocked::lol::lol:

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I think PP & EB are especially tough recently. Lost 2 EB & PP accts. one was over a year old.

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Very funny. We live in caves and eat raw mammoth meat. And our internet works via post pigeons.

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Paypal for sure goes through series of hyper sensitivity and that does not bother me personally because I can almost always fix the problem. Paypal tells you exact what you can do to restore the account or not.

Ebay on the other hand seems to hate anyone who can sell a lot of a few items. If you have 50 unique items run on auction and end this week, A-OK usually. If you run 50 auctions of the same item, ebay closes your account for risky behavior unless it is a business account. Nothing you can do most of the time. No action plan or steps to move forward.

My point to this is that ebay is evolving and it is more challenging to do consistent big business across multiple accounts that it was say five months ago.

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I might be talking out of my ass here, but what you posted has not real points in it that would apply to other cases. Seems that your account was just limited and the stuff that you were selling is problematic.

To call it "end of Paypal Stealth" is just clickbaiting thread with a bit of added fearmongering.

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HAHA, there's always a thread or ten with the same damn subject line! Can we please stop with these post.

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Still waiting for 'High Risk' summary...

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From whom? No one is going to give a 'high risk' summary.

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So stop using it as a reason stealth accounts go down.

If its mythical, then its not real, no proof, it dosent exist.

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now you know you are spewing a load of sh1t..

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...psajxmf8ml.jpg

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Always the way from account sellers, ever their fault. Bearing in mind when I was knew to this the ID documents I recieved from an account seller where so poor its no wonder they got banned...but high risk items was to blame!

Blame something mythical, if it isn't mythical, then post the summary, nothing to lose eh?

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Please quote where I have made up ANY reasons for accounts going down. The post I made in public was for another user to stop making up myths before anyone has any facts, but you also do not have any facts you just seem to be stirring it.

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I never quoted facts, but High Risk is used by sellers many times.

But still no High Risk list?

So what is high risk?

Seems to be a big opposition to actually summarising 'high risk' , why is that?

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so what were you selling exactly then?:ballchain:

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Why would I tell you that?

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A list like this would be very very long and always changing

What is high risk in eBay and PayPals eyes does change.

Use common sense when listing items. Think of it from eBay POV and ask yourself

1 - Is this item replicated a lot and sold on
2 - Is this items very expensive for a new account
3 - Can I prove this item is genuine if I need to
4 - Is this item know to have issues when being sold on eBay or PayPal

If the answers are Yes, Yes, No, Yes then dont sell the item until trust has been earned with both eBay and PayPal

I would say you can take a risk on one of the four answers being the opposite to above, but that would be the person selling on the accounts risk to take.

Common sense really is key here

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Thats a good summary James. So to elaborate, I feel this would help others, and also help their accounts from going down if high risk is the case

What price point is deemed as expensive?
What is deemed as a new account?
Every item is replicated - what do you mean?

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1 - How long is a bit of string. Really no set answer here. I would say keep the first few payments into PayPal under £30 or so. On eBay it doesnt matter as much all the time, selling a car for example on a new account is pretty much always fine so long as its cash on collection even if its for £8k. Its PayPal you need to worry about here.

2 - See above :). When 21 day holds are gone on both eBay and PayPal, when you have decent (50+) selling feedback and the account is a few months old then its not new anymore, but still a newer account.

3 - Not every item is replicated... I am thinking more LV bags, software, watches ect. Imagine your walking down a street in Shanghai full of replicas. If you think its likely your item would also be sold there, dont try to sell it on eBay. This is the point at which common sense must be used

Just for the record these are my opinions and not fact

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Ok, so we can generally ascertain that if the above rules are met, and VERO items are not used, then if an account goes down, its not because of high risk items?

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Generally yes

Just on a side note, an item can be high risk and not a VERO member company

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because u keep asking us to give you a list of all items that can get you banned. so tell me what you were selling and I can give you a clear answer mate.:smash: OR NOT:noidea:

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Not really. Im doing well tbh, lost one out of many recently for a reason James has outlined.

But thanks for asking :thumb:

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Yes of course.

Good thread, one to post back to if 'high risk' items comes into play again, then the member can reference what they have been doing.

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cool beans:rolleyes:

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Just to recap, i never asked for a list of items, could you show me where I said that?

Rolling eyes because you got owned? lol.

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:noidea::noidea::noidea: