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I owe paypal £3400 help please
 

Here is my story

i sold iphones on ebay and stupidly sent them via 1st class but not signed for.

Now i realized my mistake and some of them have opened disputes what should i do?

btw it was a stealth account

:(

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Any answers?

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How many iPhones did you sent exactly?

One dispute being opened is unlucky, if you send out 10 or so and you got disputes on all of them then there is something a bit weird going on

Ps - Please wait more than 16 minutes before bumping a post

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@Jamesnorth101

I sold 14 iPhones and £600 each

I have 6 disputes opened for item not received

I have withdrawed all funds to my bank account

I have no proof now

what should I do?

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up to you isn't it. I'm sure you understand what the 2 main options are. Pay it or don't pay it lol. None of us know what lengths paypal would go to for £3400 but I assume you could potentially get in some big trouble for fraud seeing as you've done it all in a fa ke name and have no proof they've been delivered.
If you refund then I'd get a solicitor to send some threatening letters to them threatening with small claims court, can find some who send them out for £5-10, will probably get 2-3 of them to repay it.
To be honest for £600 each I'd probably be having a day trip to go and say hello in person

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@Dan_eBay

What If I close my bank account?

They won't have my real address as its a stealth account.

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So you sold 14 phones each for £600 and 6 of the 14 phones you sold to people have opened a claim against you? That is a very very high percentage. 1 or 2 would be very unlucky but having over 40% of people open claims against you? That is extraordinarily high

It seems like there may be a little bit more to the story.

Even if you close a bank account that PayPal will still have a record of the bank account details. For that sort of money they will try everything they can to recover the funds.

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@JamesNorth101

I can't afford to refund however it was my fault not sending it signed for.

OMG I'm depressed

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If you sold the items then you must have the money for them

But you need to work out why you are getting a 40% scammer rate. That is much much higher than normal.

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even without tracking, if you actually posted these items you will get a postage receipt from royal mail which you can claim up to £50 for each item.

If you put in claims, royal mail will contact the recipients of each claim and ask to confirm if they received them, if they say yes, then there is your proof you can submit.

it will take a few weeks.

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Isn't it required for items over $250 or so to be sent with signature?

Pretty sure it goes both ways for US/UK?

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I dont think anyone would send an iphone in the post and not send it signed for/tracked - and you say you sent 14????

I feel there is more to this story than meets the eye.

Something is not right.

Sorry for sounding rude, but if thats how you are running your business then I feel you need to find something else to do for money or go work for someone because what you are saying you did is super duper dumb.

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It sounds like you sold Iphones and did not send any out and now are nervous.

That is how this thread reads to me. I hope I am misinterpreting.

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Yes OP post is way to vague. Regardless if the value is over $75 i always add signature confirmation, and when i ship international i usually add double insurance( never had to make a claim but it made me sleep easier at night). It is hard to believe you sold 14 iphones and you took the cheapest shipping route possible but to each is own.

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and lost so many......

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lol yea exactly. I mean i know its not impossible. A scammer could've saw the opportunity and jumped on it, but the initial post reeks of BS. If true good luck and don't make the same mistakes in the future i guess.

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Sorry but there is NO WAY im sending ONE item worth $600+++ No less 14 of the SAME items without some HEAVY DUTY tracking/protection.

OP, Hope Im wrong like the rest but if the buyers put all the clues together and the negatives show they are not getting their phones they may contact the cops about fraud.
Stealth cant protect you.
Best find the money to put back.

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The OP is depressed?

I am too after reading the woes


Sadly it all smells like Billingsgate Fish Market.

Not inclined to assist with a remedy....

:rolleyes:

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Sadly the level got raised...

:juggle:

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Something is wrong with you, you are either the scammer or the really stupid.

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No, no, no,....

the really stupid scammer

:thumb:

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sorry say this but what sort of person would cheap out of sending a £600 phone without some sort of cover , insurance and a signed for.:noidea: even first class posting with a needed signed for is only £1 on top.

Seems to me you were very stupid. You think that someone who gets a nice £600 phone without signing is not going to try their luck? and get the phone for nothing?

I would do this and it may help:

Send each sale a letter recorded or with a sign for £1.69 cost

In there put down that "you have opened a case in pal pay claiming that the goods were not sent/received ". Make ref to the case number. Also say that you have a copy of posting ( print out from till) and that you will be contacting royal mail and have sent pay pal the copy of till roll.

Quote:

now this is the kicker

say that the imei and serial of the phone was logged to stop any fraudulent claims and that in the next 7 days it will be reported to apple as lost in transit and will be blacklisted so that no sim card will work.

add some link to a site for their ref so this may scare them a little if using.

also put something like, if it has turned up and you have opened case by mistake, please close.

blau blau

then learn by mistakes ;)

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$750 thankfully in the USA anyways.

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I think all of you have done a good job of scaring away the OP hah.

Anyhow OP - you either settle the claims, solve the problems, pay the fees or discuss with PP.

We aren't here to help avoid dues/fees/claims owed...especially more so when your story is very fishy...

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It is £750 in the UK

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I think the above - you've tried pulling the wool over our eyes in the event that someone will provide a 'get out'.

The only thing I would say is if the OP never sent any of them how is there only a 40% INR rate rather than 100%... or are we only 40% of the way through this mess, probably the latter.

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Latter vetus - true that.

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Script Start
Jazzy777: Can I post these 14 parcels please via 1st class post please.
Post Office: Sure. For security reasons can I ask what is inside?
Jazzy777: iPhone's
Post Office: Would you like to send it insured, via next day delivery?
Jazzy777: No, I would rather risk losing 14 iphone's?
Script End

Nothing more to be said.

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OP probably thinks this forum can't sniff out the weird stories...

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Lol Major BS if ever i smelled it

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I am pretty much inclined to say that you are probably scamming people with stealth accounts. Just too much red flags.
You are more concerned about how to get away with that money rather than how to resolve the issue and get the situation straightened.
Looks like you are here to learn what might be the outcomes for scamming people with stealth account.
If I am wrong with my assumptions, then somebody is scamming you and I do not think there is anything you can do since you have no proof of anything or whatsoever.

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FYI, If this was a scam, note that Paypal have been around long enough to have experienced similar situations, and for that reason I am certain, they would always keep log of financial information, because they wouldn't want to make similar mistakes in the future. So again, if this was a scam, the OP should get a knock on his door any time soon.

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There are professional buyers out there who will look for low feedback, individual ebay sellers selling high priced items and postage is '2nd class' or '1st class' - Big money sign for a DNR.

If you are legit OP just send out 6 packages to all 6 complainers, tracked, then use that tracking number when you are asked for it in the dispute.

I dont condone the above or stupidity.

P.s 40% is quite low tbh ...i would have bet on double that for scammers ...plus how did the OP get 14 Iphones????

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I am not sure the OP did get 14 iPhone hence being in their current situation.

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OP might be the most unluckiest person around as far as shipping goes.

First his Ipad Air: http://www.aspkin.com/forums/ebay-di...ller-help.html

Now 6 iphones not received.

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Nice find BigCJ :thumb:

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everything is crystal clear

:pound:

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More than likely trolling to see what he might or might not do to succeed in scamming.

Of course, if he is kn the level :rolleyes:, he can always send an item number to the Mods to back up his uber depressing story.

Or, if no numbers, then POQ.

We might need slapped to help educate him.

:shhh:

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i think he should be banned. most of us lost our accounts because of such scammers.

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Banning won't do much - can always reappear as someone else