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Can they really sue this guy?
 

There are many moral guys who won't still anything, but they don't like be taken either. You know like those guys who come to your door after 2 years to pay you an old debt? Sometimes just 5$ that you borrowed him when you and him was toghether in the high-school?

Anyway, a guy got limited on PayPal. So he opened 5 accounts. Boom then they got limited again, one by one not all at once. Maybe they didn't linked him, but in some countries is very hard to get 500$ without a limitation. He said he will not go so far and send "cakes" to PayPal. In some countries PayPal when they will limit you, they will also won't allow you to send refunds either.

Anyway, PayPal locked around 3000$ from 5 accounts, multiple sales during around 6-9 months period. Basically he created 2 accounts, and transfer money to one of them from his card. He withdraw, and then he charge back himself.
He left the second account negative around 3000$
Not a single cent extra, not a single cent less, then he sent an e-mail to PayPal telling them what he just did and asking them very politely to move funds from limited accounts to the negative one.

PayPal is telling they won't do it only after he sends docs, and that they will take legal actions against him anyway for what he did. Can they really sue him?!:bird:

Re: Can they really sue this guy?
 

Legal questions are best handled by professionals like lawyers - not for forum to deal with.

"a guy got limited on Paypal" = you?

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Sounds a lot like he has tried to scam PayPal to me so yes they will try to get those funds back however they can.

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Well, it's not like they can just move funds from one account to another even if it sounds logical, they have to follow their strict instructions. And it means it will be treaten like this guy scammed PayPal for 3000$.

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Where is the scam? He got 3000 in PayPal and he took away 3000$ in a bad way. Then he wrote paypal to move the funds from + accounts to the - one.

Where is the scam?

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The first bit is the scam.

It doesn't matter if he has $3k limited in PayPal. PayPal cannot just move funds from 1 limited account to another. That isn't how it works even if it seems like that should be fine it really isn't.

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is this in real details? never heard of them suing, but they do send it to collections agents...........

if you told them the money is in another paypal, they have no idea if the other paypal is actually authorised by its owner to pay off the debt.... is the other paypal in the same details or different ones?

since they get to keep the monies in the other paypal, the debt has been paid.... it is probably all automated or a low-paid goon is just pressing buttons, I would not submit any docs to them

I do not know legally, but I think if it ever got to that point, you have proof of the other pot of money they kept....and that they refused to transfer it....and you are not obliged to submit docs, so the ball is in their court........what paypal wants is for the neg balance to get paid via credit card or paypal transfer or whatever and then to wait for the other limited paypal withdrawal at 180 days.....

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It's not about me GUYS. I had to learn it the hard way.

Like: I add 3 business day shipping time, first I withdraw/spend the money then i send the items. If I got limit i just ask very nicely the buyer to ask for a refund with the message to paypal "seller refuse to ship as his account got limited".

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so you are asking about your supplier who cannot ship, as they got limited? then your only problem is only to chargeback or do a dispute...

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No. I am asking about a guy. there are to many people who are getting e-mails about "we will take legal action against you" from PayPal.

Can they really do any hurt to him this way?

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they can only send it to collections agents - how that pans out is down to the details you registered with...

maybe your friend should not read the emails, deleting the email account is handy for that!!

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If your friend is the one having all these issues then it would be best your friend comes here and asks

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Sometimes people create "bestfriends" to avoid being asked or being shamed.

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Precisely - or best to have that friend join up

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Whats happening is, paypal is not suing him, the DEBT Collector is and yes debt collectors can sue.

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I know :)

It makes it hard to answer questions though when that pretence it kept up

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Sounds to me like Credit Card Fraud is what he did. I am I following it correctly?

He opened a Paypal, attached a Credit Card, used the account to send money to his other acccount. Withdrew the money he sent himself, then iniated a chargeback on the 1st account. So paypal covered the chargeback, and put his account negative for the chargeback amount and he got the money from the 2nd account.

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Right... a "friend" did this... :rolleyes:

The process you've described where you used a credit card to pay yourself and then purposely making a chargeback is most definitely considered as credit card fraud, no matter how you try and justify your reasons. Better hope Paypal doesn't come after you, because you could be charged with some serious federal crimes on top of some significant amount of legal fees and fines.

Ooops did i say "you"? I meant your "friend" ;)

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Yep that is exactly what happened.

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Y'all prob chased the user from the forum hah :FF: good clarification ShowMeDude :thumb:

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to be noticed, OP username is "smartguy" :lol:

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I'd say it's for the better. We don't need to help people to get away with fraud.

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Yeah. Make sense now. I couldn't figure out what he did so bad in PayPal eyes. basically he create a negative to revenge on paypal and take his locked money back.

He is not even a friend. I was just reading about him on the internet, and then i was "wow, good method to take care your money back"!" but "Can they really sue him!?"

If i was about to do frauds, i would just do them not ask if they are legal or not. :doh:

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And where exactly did you read about this? I'd like to know the full context of the story as well :)

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Change your name to SWIM or man up and tell the truth.

If you truly have issues with PayPal, we will offer our best advice. But replying about an unknown non existant person is not what we do.

:surrender:

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They will send it to debt collection if its negative but he should solve it really.

I was selling items for other people as freelance then I would send them Bitcoin as payment & well they sold some digital items that got charged back & I have to cover it.

Never again.

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Who cares what happens, it isn't you or your friend, nor someone you actually know. You simply read of his situation, if he needs help he can seek it here, so why ask it unless you plan on doing it.

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The situation is most likely not a friend but themselves....

Maybe i plan to do it too. If i have 500$ blocked on a paypal account and paypal ask for docs, or even keeping money locked for ever.. why not simply create an negative account of the same ammount..and tell them...sorry paypal please unite thos two

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you can tell them whatever you want, but it does not mean they will do it...eg. 'unite the two'.......

Then it means they are bigger thief thenu first imagine.
The thruth is that in some cases they block an account in such a way the person can not even do refunds! Witch is clouse enouh for the word stealing.

They are not a bank. Not even an leasing cpompany. They just have some permits for money transfer. Like DHL or local postage have for example. If i send $ throw dhl and they don't want to deliver they have to send the money back at less.

They even got legal problems for those 21 days holds in US. Also they have problems for the 180 days holds. Why in the world they would...

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Legally, despite the fact that the PayPal knows that all accounts are ⊗⊗⊗⊗ and belong to the same person, they belong to DIFFERENT persons, and as they are all limited, they can't send anything to each other. So that negative balance can't be legally compensated from other accounts just because they are linked. What you did is a clear credit card fraud and you can go to prison for that.

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I think it would be not so smart to try and do this for the sake of $500, spend that time more wisely man. Get a new paypal up and running and get back at them. Be ready for the new year.

The time that you spend creating a new paypal to scam your money back, link the two paypals for a few hundred quid, wasting a PP account, then if you plan on selling again rinse and repeat.

Move on

Well ... you create under the same name. Who said of credit card fraud? You can send from another account... sell something on ebay and do not send to 3rd person because you got out of a stock ... you can just grt into a risk business on ebay and get limited

So .. same name...same country... it can happy

Many people start to do that on other forums. Paypal will get mad but that's all.

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"PayPal can get mad but that's all"

Are you willing to risk it for such a small amount?

"Can they really sue this guy"

Yes they can

They can also damage your credit file

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Only now at the end do you understand....(The Emperor)