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Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

you can subscribe to a shop,which allows you so many listings and your FVF is lower,yu get x number of free auction listings and I suspect, Ebay gives you more visibility.
I have one,Ebay just renew the listings every 30 days,I dont have to do anything

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Yes, 250 in a category I don't sell in lol

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

I'm having a hell of a time figuring out how to give a refund through paypal.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

What do you mean? The Refund button appears to be in the same place as always...

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Random fun fact: Refunding thru paypal doesnt cause a cancellation defect on your Ebay account. You lose the FVF but worth it.

Hope Ayden refunds and Ebay operate the same way.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

if you cancel on EBAY saying buyer and seller agree to cancel,there is no defect but it pisses off the buyer

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Can Ebay confirm this? Always wondered if bots can understand cancel request messages and compare it to your number of 'buyer request' cancellations. I'd do it, just too paranoid Ebay does something to you if you do too many.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

A high cancellation rate can impact the account, even if you and the buyer agree to cancel.

Same with a higher than normal return rate. There are some things that eBay watches and will slap you if you exceed certain norms.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

of course,anything done in excess will make eBay take action.
There is a buyer who lives in RURAL MEXICO and buy cheap trinklets from US sellers ,sellers all ship with no tracking and insurance ,when the shipments are stolen,she filed too many item not received and Ebay removed her buying privilege for being a hazard to the ebay seller community.
another buyer was suspended by Paypal,just after she open her account ,she bought 16 items and filed 16 item not as described.
too much is just too much

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

I cancel every order I ever have that needs to be refunded, even if the order has already been delivered 2 weeks ago, so I can have my eBay fees refunded. They'll allow you to cancel an order for up to like a month after it's been placed regardless of the shipping status.

I think you guys are trippin to be honest. It's never had any impact on my accounts whatsoever. I never choose the 1 cancellation reason out of the 3 they give you that results in a defect in my dashboard and my method works fine.

I never judge buyers and cancel orders because I think they look suspicious though, so maybe that's in my favor. I cancel if : the buyer requests it, the buyer rec'd the item and needs a refund, or the buyer used the wrong address.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Which reminds me... I gotta go cancel a few orders lol.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Good ole NaziPal

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

I mean like:

If you marked 20 or 30 orders in a row as 'incorrect address' or 'buyer requested cancel' instead of the real reason out of stock - what would ebay do, anything?

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

I was reading a few days ago and some dude said he called in to ask about the update... he was told they are having a meeting about this because so many people have complained.

ALL sellers should unite and publicly put them on blast on social media. They'd be like ffffuuuuuuuuuu.... lol

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

20 or 30 in a row would probably raise some red flags since it would look like you oversold by a lot. There have been people here before saying a large spree of refunds like that can get you into trouble on both eBay and PP.

On my accounts we're talking about 1 or 2 a day at the most out of 35-50 orders. I only use the "incorrect address" option if the buyer messaged me saying they used the wrong address, so almost all of my cancellations are with the reason "buyer requested". Dashboards are all (nearly) flawless and I'm at least keeping pace with the rest of the market.. so I don't think they're dinging my accounts for doing this regularly.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Hm. No where in policy does it say anything about what happens if you abuse cancellation reasons. Everything else is covered. I'm sure there's a log of all cancellation reasons, and if they check and see a giant list of the same 'incorrect address' or 'buyer requested' over a day or two that's gonna look bad - if they check.. :noidea:

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

AMZN does not like cancellation,it makes them look bad.20-30 cancellled orders could have your account banned.
Ebay would be kinder,but your listings would be rotated to page 99

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Agent, may I kindly ask who you are an agent for?

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

no one,why do you ask?

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

AMZ is scary responsive. Break any policy and >24hrs they'll consider suspending you.

Consideribg how much more AMZ makes compared to walmart, home depot, Sears etc it's odd it's difficult to get accepted on box store ecommerce sites.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

because your name here and on eBay community forums has the word "agent" in it followed by a string of numbers. :noidea:

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

I wonder if like PAYPAL,first pass is all handled by bots or AI,if you complain,then a human will look into it.
Recently I have a buyer from UK made an offer for a heavy incense burner,I mean it is heavy ,she wants me to ship to a US address,so I ask her to add that address to her account.
Before I do that,I cancelled the order and refund her money.
Ebay would not let her add a US address since she is in UK,so she paid me again with the UK address.
I cancelled and refunded like first time.
Then I asked if she knows someone with that US address to buy from me,then the address would be fine,then she said part of her payment is really her Ebay bucks which cannot be transferred.
back and forth ,I cancelled her account too many times and Ebay sent me a stern message .
After that,I have zero orders for several days,I dont know if this is punishment or just coincidence?

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Account was probably dinged for what their system interpreted as you trying to break the "no outside sales" rule, even though you weren't trying to do that. The fact that you got a warning message from eBay afterwards suggests that's what the problem is.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

is the string of numbers 006140??
Ebay community has ebay reps and volunteers who monitor the chats,like here !

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Same person for sure... saw that earlier.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

yeah,thats me

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

What about if a buyer purchase an item for $1000 and right after asks to cancel the item and PayPal kept the fees for themselves this is a big loss for a seller these policy will not last especially when PayPal see significant decreases in members that’s BS

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

If you think about it, this coincides with sellers switching to managed payments.

I really suspect at least part of the reason this update is being implemented is because eBay will be the one sending transaction fee refunds in the new system, and not PP.

I don't know.. we'll see. You example definitely would hurt and they are saying that's how it will be. But again I think it's only half the story we've got so far.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

every credit card transaction has fees involved paid to the bank which provides Paypal with the merchant account -transaction fee,interexch fee etc .
a refund is a separate transaction,it is a credit transaction versus the payment which is a debit transactions,so when y ou refund a buyer,there are 2 transactions involved,not one.
if you have buyer who cancel immediately after a purchase,thats a problem you have to deal with,either your business practice or type of merchandise you are selling or where you are selling,ebay is a fleamarket,lots of bottomfeeders and scammers there.
one common cause of immediate cancel is that the buyer finds someone selling cheaper than you .
It is called race to the bottom,you can either wait it out or stop selling the kind of merchandise everyone is seling or sell somewhere else where you can accept non electronic payment.
I just look at the inventory I have on AMZN-dvd and books,and AMZN tells me someone is selling cheaper than me and ask me to match that price?I figure sales is so brisk on AMZN,I will just wait ,my turn will come!

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

In a merchant account you are not charged anything if you process the refund before the original transaction settles, because all you're doing is voiding an authorization so it can't settle.

Won't be the same if PP does what they're saying. I understand what you're saying about there being fees involved.. but that's really not always the case. There's no reason Paypal should force us to pay transaction fees when an order is cancelled 5 minutes after being placed.. because Paypal themselves aren't paying any fees on that transaction. They're just voiding it before it settles.

I would guess Adyen will handle the transaction fee refunds moving forward. There's no reason for Paypal to issue a transaction fee refund when they wouldn't have been the one to charge a transaction fee - Adyen would have been with their "2.7%". I don't know if PP's fee structuring will change because of this. Right now there's a ton of uncertainty. But on Adyen I don't think we will have to pay 2.7% to Adyen AND 3% + $.30 to Paypal.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

In a merchant account you are not charged anything if you process the refund before the original transaction settles, because all you're doing is voiding an authorization so it can't settle.
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this is correct,also if buyer uses his bank fund or paypal fund,PAYPAL does not have to pay its merchant account any fee.
but most disputes come in after the buyer receives the item and by the time dispute is closed,it will be a few days after payment made ,up to 180 days.
we sellers always cry like the worst is going to happen,when Ebay revises its return from 7-14 days and then 30 days,sellers immediately complain they will be scammed,the return goods would be either used or damaged etc.
But from my own personal experience,I have very few returns.
Neither Paypal nor Ebay withhold my payments and Paypal just offer me a feature called PAYPAL fund now,meaning if someone opens a dispute,the payment would not be withheld.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

"funds now" is nothing but a creative way of Paypal talking more users into SSN verifying their account, in my opinion.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

no,this is not something you can apply,it is something Paypal offers to existing members in good standing,I assume like in my case,SSN is already registered with Paypal.
Also since I dont recall when was the last time someone files a dispute or chargeback on me,what does Paypal have to lose?
It is like offering someone a free flight on 737MAX knowing no one will use it.not for now !
Or offering all vegans all you can eat T bONE steak?

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

T for Tofu

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Why would you? Paypal isn't processing transactions for payments sent to Adyen.

Or did I misunderstand you?

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Some said we can use Paypal via Ayden,as a compromise for the Paypal lovers ?
or just to get Ayden off the ground and running
we dont pay both,we pay Ayden,and AYDEN WILL settle with Payapl on whatever the terms they agree

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

If the buyer is still paying with PP, Paypal is doing at least a little bit of processing. At least that's my assumption.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

many of us know how Paypal works,but nothing about Ayden,is Ayden ready with an army of customer service staff to pickup the phone,I doubt it,it is costly and training takes time.
so it is a bad idea to abandon Paypal until Ayden proves itself

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Have you ever been charged a fee for SENDING anyone money? Nope.

Only on the receiving end.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

They don't HAVE to be, because you won't be obligated to call them. Ever. For anything.

eBay will be handling it all.