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Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

When ebay begins accepting Paypal through Ayden, will eBay be on the hook for the refunded fee amount, or will they just tack it on to our fees.

Will they force PP into some sort of stipulation for ebay sellers?

Or some other option?

Let's hear your thoughts!

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Why would eBay be on the hook for a refund? I assume on the Adyen system it'll be just like a merchant account. If you have to send a refund it's deducted from your daily settlement (disbursement) so it's just taken out of the daily deposit sent to your bank account.

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That is exactly how it works on Etsy

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I'm talking about the policy update. The refunded fee amount that paypal will start keeping.

When a buyer returns an item, and ebay has to refund them through paypal, ebay is out of the transaction fee just like we are. How will that be handled?

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I'm guessing what they will do is deduct the entire refund amount from your bank deposit. If it was a $19.99 payment on the old system and you sent a refund, Paypal would have refunded $.90 of the payment and the other $19.09 would have been pulled from your PP balance. With the new system if you have to send that same refund, the entire $19.99 will be debited from your daily disbursement.

Now that you've mentioned it, I bet part of the reason Paypal is implementing this update is so they can be more easily tied into managed payments on eBay. It would be difficult for them to manage transaction fee refunds in this new system so they're doing away with them, I guess. :noidea:

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Plus 30 cents... don't forget that PP keeps that part.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

I added the 30 cents into the example.

Do they not refund that 30 cents currently?

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

19.99 X 2.9% + 0.3= 0.88

That would net you 19.11

Currently, if you have to refund the customer, you're on the hook for 19.41 because PP keeps the 30 cents.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Alright, that's what I was unclear about. So currently you're paying 30 cents to send a refund. In the future you'll be paying 30 cents + 3% of the amount, to send a refund.

Have you read deep enough into the updates to figure out how transaction fees will even be structured on the Adyen model? Will we have to pay a processing fee to both Adyen and Paypal since PP payments will be running through both interfaces?

It's confusing to think about but I think the fee restructuring is definitely related to PP being tied into Adyen.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

I thought we have a choice ,either Ayden or PAYPAL ,how do you accept Paypal thru Ayden?

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Paypal is making good money from us,that 30 cents transaction fee,I bet it only cost Paypal 10 cents,so it keeps 20 cents.
Paypal discount rate is more like 1% and yet we pay PAYPAL 2.9% if we use a cc.
if we use Paypal balance or bank fund,Paypal keeps all of that 2.9%.but then Paypal does offer seller/buyer protection and return shipping if we open case on Paypal.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Adyen can still take PayPal payments.

Buyer pays via PayPal
Seller gets money via Adyen

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

It supposedly coming this year, but who knows.

There's no way they can keep their numbers up without it, though. Millions of people aren't gonna wanna start putting in CC #s when they're so used to PP.

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I went to Paypal forum and try to find if there is any discussion on this policy but NO,I bet it is on Ebay seller forum.
Many Ebay sellers cannot afford such,as they sell vintage ,imperfect items,items they dont understand.
they found something which look saleable ,so they hurry up and list on ebay.
They sell EASY JACK but no idea what EASYJACK is,They sell Sony boombox which play ipod,iphone,but they cant test Ipod as they dont have any,they test it fine when plugged into wall outlet but they have no battery to test it when it runs on battery.
They also sell beatup toaster,broiler oven,printers and those items shipping is 35 and return is 35 ,so they lost $70 and now with PAYPAL polciy ,they will lose more.
they also bubblewrap a long coffee table and it arrived damaged,!
Kids wil ship in used pizza box with ants crawling inside.
Some ship in sanitary napkin box .

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Those sound like shiitty, inexperienced sellers, and I don't really have any remorse for them. I should, because we all started somewhere, but I dont. lol


A couple days ago, PP's facebook page had "open question hour" or whatever they call it. People were hounding them about this new policy and they were just deleting the messages lol

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Good old PayPal :)

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

then why have Ayden?
and how do they divy the loot?
Ebay stock has gone nowhere,with Ayden,it would show more proft

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Adyen doesn't accept PP yet.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Yes they do, at least on etsy.

People pay us with paypal through esty.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

I am not aware Etsy uses Ayden?
Etsy wants to phase out Paypal,I dont see if you open an account on ETSY,pAYPAL is a payment choice

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

We aint on here discussing Etsy lol

What I should have said is EBAY DOESN'T ALLOW PP PURCHASES THROUGH ADYEN YET.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Adyen is the only payment option for sellers. But buyers are able to pay with PP and all sorts of other options.

Hopefully ebay gets on track with that pretty soon.

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my question to her is not Ebay,but Etsy.
I dont think Etsy uses AYden,it does have a merchant account like Paypal and accepts cc for us sellers.
Etsy has formed deep link with Google Search and so far has been very successful but comes at a cost which it now passed on to the seller by raising its FVF.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Goddamn, there you go not listening again.

ETSY USES ADYEN FOR PAYMENT PROCESSING.

BUYERS CAN PAY WITH PAYPAL, CCs, AND ALL OTHER SORTS OF THINGS

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

For USA sellers, the ONLY option is Adyen!! Nothing else.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Well.. since Etsy desperately wants to be discussed in this thread...

maybe the reason Paypal is already accepted on Etsy through Adyen and not through Adyen on eBay is because eB/PP is having to rework their fee/payment structure over the course of several TOS updates being rolled out over several months.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

as long as the rate seller pays stay the same,makes no difference to me

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Currently, 2.7% with no per-transaction fee

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So, based on a $100 transaction, you're looking at $3.30 for PP compared to $2.70 with Adyen.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

eBay fee non refundable for return item that’s another thing

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

sounds too good to be true,consider Ebay sellers are mostly a bunch of slops

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Well, it's what people are currently paying... regardless of what you think about it.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

good to hear that,a penny saved is a penny earned.
ten pennies make a dime,ten dimes make a dollar,
think what we can do with one dollar,

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Not much. But while we are on the topic of arithmetic, ten 1 dollars makes 10 dollars and 10 10 dollars makes 100 dollars, and that's much more usable. Amirite?

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

your idea prompts many goldseekers to list zillion of items on Ebay .
Since listing is free,the whole site is clogged with identical items with the same pictures,pages after pages.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

Wrong thread? What are you talking about?

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

It usually is free to list on eBay. I've paid that 30 cent insertion fee less times in my eBay career than I can count on one hand and I've made at least a thousand listings.

He was right IMHO. Since you only pay when an item sells 95% of the time it's way too common for sellers to have 30 listings for exactly the same item with the same pictures and description. The only difference will be a 3 cent price variation or dirt cheap accessories irrelevantly added into the listing as a variation so the listing will show up first in a low-to-high price sort.

But I'd rather have millions of listings to sort through than only have a handful of options every time I go to buy something, so I can see why they let this stuff go on.

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

No shiit?

I've made thousands, and paid for most of them. I thought there was just a limited number of free listings, depending on your account type/plan. For example, my current account says I get 250 free ones per month. How does a person get around that, if they list a lot?

I specifically remember going round and round with eB CS support once, over a few hundred listing fees I was charged for, but the listings never showed up.

So, "zillions of free listings" have definitely evaded me! haha

Re: Let's hypothesize on an unmentioned aspect of the May 7th Paypal Policy Update
 

I have 5 Ebay seller accounts,everytime I looked into My eBAY,it tells me how many listings I can make each month and there is a message-you want more,just ask.
I sounds like you are selling real products with real profit,Ebay just loveto give you more free listings.
But not all categories ,may be you are listing in categories which do not offer more free listings.
I also will find other messages,one has a $5 offer to spend,so I bought some shipping supply.
Other accounts have earned Ebay bucks,so I spent that too.
sometimes Ebay has offer like 20% discount on qualified items,20% is on Ebay,seller loses nothing

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there was a time you get free listings when Ebay offers,and every seller will list like mad,but the sell thru rate is poor,as there are just too many listings,free listings do not bring in more buyers,just more listings.
A smart way is to list after free listing,yes,you pay a listing fee but your sell thru rate is higher.