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Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 

Today I ve noticed also that of 5 of my german paypal accounts the money is gone.

They have all passed the 180 days.

Is there anything I can do? Will give them a call on monday.

I have sold MS Windows & Office keys.

And the gone "stolen" money from PayPal hurts a lot.

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 

The items sold are what's going your favour of getting the money...sad to say

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So my money is gone? Incredible! Gaypal is stealing money. Will contact a financial lawyer on monday.

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 

Are your microsoft products authentic?

You have the paper work to show that you are authorized to sell them on eBay?

why dont you take a wild guess?

wonder what Paypal does with all the AUP money it confiscated?

YOu know AMZN is asking its business sellers to buy insurance ?

will yet have to receive the judgement and ask them to pay, but it's technical, they can not avoid paying.
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You may win but it is your job to collect the payment,the court is not going to do it for you.

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 

Sites like G2A get away with it. Many others as well. You can't though.

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You're wasting your money. Join the discord and get info on what you can do next but if you feel you can beat a multi billion dollar company with your low cost attorney then go ahead and learn from your mistake afterwards when you pay more for an attorney than what paypal actually took.

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 

Which discord?

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Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 

even the mullion billion dollar companies are subject to law and regulations. If they fail to respect them, they risk to loose their "license" to run their business.
Never be afraid to fight against such companies, especially when you know that you are in the right position.
Their so-called AUP violation is simply S C A M in my eyes simple.
And the more people will report this to court, the less chance they will have to win.

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 

simply keep in their pockets, since the money is sitting the whole time with them.

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 

They’ve updated the clause to state what they do with the money. I’m paraphrasing.... If certain infringements were violated, the funds go to third parties (ie PayPal business partners, victims of the infringements), administrative costs, etc.

They’ve also updated the AUP with regards to activities that need pre-approval.

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We already a roadmap in place for this class action lawsuit against PayPal and we're confident we will win. Process however will take time.

If any individual did what PayPal has done they'd be heading to jail for several years + but because of how US law is setup, how corporations have protection and since this is unregulated PayPal can get away with it at least for now.

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Right what PayPal is implying is if they get in trouble for say one infringement that the funds they have collected from tens of thousands of accounts will go to pay that down. Lets say one company sues PayPal and wins getting a judgement of $2m, they'll use this moneypot they collected to pay down this and also pay their expenses/attorney costs.

The problem here is that PayPal should be stopping this before a single transaction goes through. Most other companies vent businesses before they are approved and allowed to transact. However with PayPal they allow businesses to operate and later do their "checks and reviews". Then the users are punished because PayPal system is too user friendly.

Ultimately the core issue with PayPal here is that they are responsible for allowing this type of services, aren't venting businesses before they operate like banks do, aren't properly listing specifically which businesses are and aren't acceptable and not globally enforcing their policies but instead singling out certain businesses and letting other businesses operate with this same business model/industry.

As an example. G2A.com sells digital keys. It's well known that the bulk of these keys sold are stolen. PayPal allows it. However if you're a single small business owner doing the same thing, PayPal will ban you and then fine you all of your funds.

Ultimately we know how in the end this plays out and this is why PayPal historically loses all class action claims filed against them.

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Hello, I just won in Small Claims Court.

Very easy to file the claim, cheap, about $60 in Court fees, plus another $15 to serve defendant properly via certified mail. Limitations: you or your company have to be U.S. resident, limit is $10k per claim (might vary by state, I filed in California). If you are in the U.S. and they "are doing significant business" where you live (in fact it's any state and county), you can file the claim in the county where you reside.

PayPal called several times before the trial date and asked to settle at 50%, I even agreed when they offered 65% but they did not send any paperwork.
On the trial date they did not show up (all was help via Zoom in Orange County, CA) so I was automatically awarded asking amount plus expenses. I would recommend filing small claim for everyone seeking $10k or less. Even if they would show up in the court they would have to prove their damage, because "damages" or "compensatory damages" or "actual damages" is the amount awarded by Court based on the proven harm, loss, or injury suffered. I believe that is exactly the reason they did not show, they have nothing to prove their $2500 per case damage with, it's totally made up and against the law.
Considering above I would ask to the maximum amount allowed by law in your state e.g. $10k in California even if they stolen less because if they would not show you'll get awarded asking amount automatically, in worst case scenario you will be only awarded what they have stolen. Good luck and **** paypal!

P.S.
I will yet have to receive the judgement and ask them to pay, but it's technical, they can not avoid paying.

Disclaimer: this is not a legal advice, just my experience and thoughts.

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 

So, I haven't read all 25+ pages of this. But this is the process to contest these thefts. PayPal's TOS says that you need to send a Notice of Dispute with tracking to the address listed on the notice (https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mp...notice-dispute). After 45 days have passed and if no resolution has been reached, you can file for arbitration with the AAA. Under PayPal's TOS, they have to pay all costs up front, which is thousands of dollars.

I've read that some people have had luck with small claims court, although I have not tried this. The TOS does say each party has the right to bring the action to small claims court (as does AAA's Consumer Rules). This may be easier or quicker for some people.

There is one pitfall with arbitration, though, that you need to watch out for. Under AAA's Consumer Rules, either party can have the arbitration dismissed before an arbitrator is appointed if the case would otherwise qualify for small claims court. So, if your claim amount is under 5000 or whatever the jurisdictional limit is for your small claims court, they will probably be able to have it dismissed. To avoid this, just put a claim amount over 5000.

What is important to remember is that they have no case - the reasons given for AUP violations are typically entirely made up. So, litigating this is very doable.

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I am from Serbia, and they stole my money a few days ago.
Just found this forum so trying to figure things out.

I can see that people in the US are suing them, but not sure what I can do from here.
Many lawers here don't even know what can be done.

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 

Best to join the discord group - https://discord.gg/8hkgBwFrvu

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is there any point in sending a demand letter via a lawyer. if you already used Fairshake,CFPB,BBB?

I'm thinking about going to Small Claims, but not entirely sure if I can win. I'll ask an Attorney what he thinks my chances are.

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 

Best of luck - how much $ are in question here?

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Class Action is now underway:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ut-explanation

https://www.engadget.com/paypal-laws...073128563.html

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...wsuit-alleges/

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Whatever happened with you're PP small claims action ? More specifically, were you ever able to collect ?

The reason I ask is because I have a court date with them in two weeks and like you, I am guessing they won't appear. And if they do, I still feel confident about my chances to win. However, I am wondering if I do win if I will ever see the money they stole.