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| Phage | 05-04-2021 09:15 PM |
PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
PayPal intentionally wants to take your money.
I had 2 PayPal. 1 already permanent limited due to Potential Risk. Can withdraw everything after 180 days. Made another PayPal. A lot of sales like the last one.
PayPal put a rolling reserve for 30% of revenue + 10K and can only take out after 2 months. So my 30% is basically locked and cannot withdraw. Got Permanently limited due to Potential Risk-like previous one. After 170 days, I logged in, there was another alert that my products violate their AUP. My account was double flagged for both potential risks & after 170 days for AUP. 5 days later, they took the money away.
It is safe to assume that with any permanent ban, your money can be taken by PayPal if they want to by applying AUP from thin air. https://i.postimg.cc/Tw9JkzjL/image.png |
| james_112233 | 05-04-2021 10:17 PM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Sorry to hear this |
| agent006140 | 05-04-2021 10:41 PM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
chances are very slim you will get your money back. |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
This is gut wrenching to see OP - accusation for AUP violation...hard fight to get the funds because right now, you're not automatically getting the funds back |
| muzzie | 05-05-2021 04:10 AM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Maybe your activity caused damages to PP? Like IP infringement against superhot vendor, or something like that... so they were charged and compensated their losses with your money.
P.S. I'd never use a PP that got a rolling reserve - that means account is overheated and should cool off. And stealth is for that purpose - spread sale across 20 accs not to overheat them. |
| Phage | 05-05-2021 06:21 AM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Quote:
Originally Posted by muzzie
(Post 1152382)
Maybe your activity caused damages to PP? Like IP infringement against superhot vendor, or something like that... so they were charged and compensated their losses with your money.
P.S. I'd never use a PP that got a rolling reserve - that means account is overheated and should cool off. And stealth is for that purpose - spread sale across 20 accs not to overheat them.
| Sales can add up to 100k/month with e-commerce. Spreading across 20 accounts will be a lot of mess. |
| aspkin | 05-05-2021 08:40 AM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phage
(Post 1152393)
Sales can add up to 100k/month with e-commerce. Spreading across 20 accounts will be a lot of mess.
| Why use PayPal in that case? At least use an intermediary like Paddle which takes PayPal on your behalf.
Taking PayPal in your case is way too risky.
Are you accepting Bitcoin and Credit Card as well? |
| agent006140 | 05-06-2021 06:46 AM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
get you own merchant account to accept credit card,but it sounds like what you sell is troublesome.
good luck ! |
| MeilenBoss | 05-09-2021 01:48 AM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Lawyer up, OP.
This is a very shady thing that PayPal does. |
| DENDEN76 | 05-09-2021 04:02 AM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
What were you selling |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Quote:
Originally Posted by MeilenBoss
(Post 1152833)
Lawyer up, OP.
This is a very shady thing that PayPal does.
| Always an option - unless the product really was "super-shady" |
| agent006140 | 05-09-2021 09:59 AM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Quote:
Originally Posted by rsot
(Post 1152839)
Always an option - unless the product really was "super-shady"
| well,his first account was banned and the second one has rolling reserve,what does that tell you. |
| Phage | 05-10-2021 04:12 PM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
The first account was able to process a million. I already did 5-time verifications on first PayPal and second PayPal. The business was approved by PayPal with the hardest verification like asking buyers if they are happy with the product. Unless you had 10 buyers who PayPal sent a survey and all replied back how satisfied they are, your fund will be on hold forever and Perma Limited in 1 month. I passed that as well. Verification like id, suppliers invoice, business info, proof of delivery/transactions, etc.. are the easy parts. |
| Speeder33 | 05-10-2021 08:51 PM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Quote:
Originally Posted by MeilenBoss
(Post 1152833)
Lawyer up, OP.
This is a very shady thing that PayPal does.
| Surprised there is not a class-action lawsuit against them for theft.
Its outrageous what these companies get away with.
Then again, they don't worry about a class action because who wants to actually file one asides from lawyers? |
| agent006140 | 05-10-2021 09:26 PM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
when you sign up with PAYPAL,you agree to its terms.
dONT SELL anything which violates its AUP terms! |
| muzzie | 05-11-2021 05:26 AM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
I wonder if these accounts were real? If so, you should contact your lawyer. |
| HungeringCold | 05-14-2021 10:58 PM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Paypal locked 100% of my the money that I had on my account(160k USD) and I am now also 175ish days in. They seem to have transferred all the money off. Does this mean they are literally trying to steal every single penny off my account? I mean I would ask Paypal themselves, but they no longer have an operational phone number since Covid and can only be contacted through the message center, I have no idea how long I have to wait for a response and if it will come at all. Now I was sued at some point for copyright infringement but not of all of the money is even derived from that product. I was selling several digital products on my website. Not to mention, certainly this doesn't give them a credible reason to just take my money? Will Paypal actually have the audacity to just try to steal everything? Certainly they can't be this insane right?
Outside of a few posts on this website I haven't seen anyone else talk about a similar situation. If I don't get a reasonable response(+ my money) from Paypal I will sue them, although I honestly haven't a clue what sort of outcome to expect. |
| harborpoint | 05-14-2021 11:14 PM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Quote:
Originally Posted by HungeringCold
(Post 1153525)
Paypal locked 100% of my the money that I had on my account(160k USD) and I am now also 175ish days in. They seem to have transferred all the money off. Does this mean they are literally trying to steal every single penny off my account? I mean I would ask Paypal themselves, but they no longer have an operational phone number since Covid and can only be contacted through the message center, I have no idea how long I have to wait for a response and if it will come at all. Now I was sued at some point for copyright infringement but not of all of the money is even derived from that product. I was selling several digital products on my website. Not to mention, certainly this doesn't give them a credible reason to just take my money? Will Paypal actually have the audacity to just try to steal everything? Certainly they can't be this insane right?
Outside of a few posts on this website I haven't seen anyone else talk about a similar situation. If I don't get a reasonable response(+ my money) from Paypal I will sue them, although I honestly haven't a clue what sort of outcome to expect.
| do you have skype/telegram where we can chat? what's your username or email address? |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Quote:
Originally Posted by HungeringCold
(Post 1153525)
Paypal locked 100% of my the money that I had on my account(160k USD) and I am now also 175ish days in. They seem to have transferred all the money off. Does this mean they are literally trying to steal every single penny off my account? I mean I would ask Paypal themselves, but they no longer have an operational phone number since Covid and can only be contacted through the message center, I have no idea how long I have to wait for a response and if it will come at all. Now I was sued at some point for copyright infringement but not of all of the money is even derived from that product. I was selling several digital products on my website. Not to mention, certainly this doesn't give them a credible reason to just take my money? Will Paypal actually have the audacity to just try to steal everything? Certainly they can't be this insane right?
Outside of a few posts on this website I haven't seen anyone else talk about a similar situation. If I don't get a reasonable response(+ my money) from Paypal I will sue them, although I honestly haven't a clue what sort of outcome to expect.
| Welcome to the forum - all the best as you master stealth :thumb: |
| HungeringCold | 05-15-2021 06:14 AM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Quote:
Originally Posted by harborpoint
(Post 1153528)
do you have skype/telegram where we can chat? what's your username or email address?
| I was planning on sending you a PM but apparently I can't as a new member. I do agree with you that it could be helpful to stay in touch so we can exchange info as the situation progresses because I am absolutely suing them. They can't just up and take all of the money that was on my account, even if some sort of obscure rule was violated. They told me for years that everything is fine, then they close their local office in my country and suddenly things are "not fine" and they take 160k that I've already declared as profits and paid taxes over. It's criminal is what it is. |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Oh man - 160k...really rough to hear...any reason why that amount was allowed to build up so much in PP? If you're declaring profits and taxes...you need to seek business lawyer for what the amount is worth... |
| agent006140 | 05-15-2021 07:05 AM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phage
(Post 1152342)
PayPal intentionally wants to take your money.
I had 2 PayPal. 1 already permanent limited due to Potential Risk. Can withdraw everything after 180 days. Made another PayPal. A lot of sales like the last one.
PayPal put a rolling reserve for 30% of revenue + 10K and can only take out after 2 months. So my 30% is basically locked and cannot withdraw. Got Permanently limited due to Potential Risk-like previous one. After 170 days, I logged in, there was another alert that my products violate their AUP. My account was double flagged for both potential risks & after 170 days for AUP. 5 days later, they took the money away.
It is safe to assume that with any permanent ban, your money can be taken by PayPal if they want to by applying AUP from thin air. https://i.postimg.cc/Tw9JkzjL/image.png
| paypal has told you at the bottom of the email,it is AUP,you violated its AUP policy .
Get a lawyer to contact Paypal. |
| agent006140 | 05-15-2021 07:07 AM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phage
(Post 1153012)
The first account was able to process a million. I already did 5-time verifications on first PayPal and second PayPal. The business was approved by PayPal with the hardest verification like asking buyers if they are happy with the product. Unless you had 10 buyers who PayPal sent a survey and all replied back how satisfied they are, your fund will be on hold forever and Perma Limited in 1 month. I passed that as well. Verification like id, suppliers invoice, business info, proof of delivery/transactions, etc.. are the easy parts.
| if you are doing millions on your own website,you should get a merchant account to process credit card,it would be cheaper.unless you are seling something banks dont want to do business with you |
| Pandoras_box | 05-15-2021 07:15 AM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phage
(Post 1153012)
The first account was able to process a million. I already did 5-time verifications on first PayPal and second PayPal. The business was approved by PayPal with the hardest verification like asking buyers if they are happy with the product. Unless you had 10 buyers who PayPal sent a survey and all replied back how satisfied they are, your fund will be on hold forever and Perma Limited in 1 month. I passed that as well. Verification like id, suppliers invoice, business info, proof of delivery/transactions, etc.. are the easy parts.
| Code:
https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/acceptableuse-full
PayPal AUP approval process is for products/services and activities within your business.
Otherwise, folks would be able to 'register' a business selling canisters of refrigerants with Paypal and then start offering cryogenically frozen babies just after approval. :heh:
My bet is you did NOT apply for AUP approval and did NOT get one. Had you done that, all you'd need to do now is present the approval documentation that was presented to you and your money will be remitted. You don't even have to call Saul.
Scenario two is that you did, but the product or service has been booted from AUP approval. You would have been sent an update to your email, but you did not read it.
One more possibility is that you added a product or service that needed approval but did not update your approval to cover that product.
You weren't caught sleeping. You walked off a cliff with your eyes open. |
| HungeringCold | 05-15-2021 08:44 AM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Quote:
Originally Posted by rsot
(Post 1153564)
Oh man - 160k...really rough to hear...any reason why that amount was allowed to build up so much in PP? If you're declaring profits and taxes...you need to seek business lawyer for what the amount is worth...
| Well the why's don't really matter much anymore, but if you're curious, it's because I had a certain amount of faith that a major company such as them won't commit an act that a regular person would land in prison for. Also, their absurdly aggressive policy seems to be fairly recent. I've used their service for many years and if there was any issue whatsoever, an account manager of sorts would just call me and have a civil conversation with me and we would resolve things. But as of now it seems they will just steal your money and only send you vague, automated responses. |
| HungeringCold | 05-15-2021 08:48 AM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandoras_box
(Post 1153570)
Code:
https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/acceptableuse-full
PayPal AUP approval process is for products/services and activities within your business.
Otherwise, folks would be able to 'register' a business selling canisters of refrigerants with Paypal and then start offering cryogenically frozen babies just after approval. :heh:
My bet is you did NOT apply for AUP approval and did NOT get one. Had you done that, all you'd need to do now is present the approval documentation that was presented to you and your money will be remitted. You don't even have to call Saul.
Scenario two is that you did, but the product or service has been booted from AUP approval. You would have been sent an update to your email, but you did not read it.
One more possibility is that you added a product or service that needed approval but did not update your approval to cover that product.
You weren't caught sleeping. You walked off a cliff with your eyes open.
| I am sorry but a single obscure page, doesn't excuse them to steal someone else's money. Paypal is not a court, and if there's no order from a judge then how can they just do as they please? So if you get sued for copyright infringement for one of your products at one point in time, why should Paypal suddenly have the authority to just decide how they want to take from you? I am clearly not a lawyer but that sounds insane to me. I did actually get a response from Paypal and they mentioned they can deduct 2500 USD for violating the AUP, but can also take other actions. It read like an automated response to be honest. They simply won't tell you what they're trying to do with your money, seemingly they just hope that you'll forget about it. |
| Pandoras_box | 05-15-2021 12:12 PM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
PayPal has made its terms clear: Using our service, you can do AB&C but not XYZ. If you're unsure, contact us and ask. But if you violate these terms, we would keep your money. Don't like it? Use another service!
OP agreed to the following terms: Code:
“Actions We May Take if You Engage in Any Restricted Activities
If you use your PayPal account primarily for the purposes of your trade, business, craft or profession and you violate the Acceptable Use Policy, then:
in addition to being subject to the above actions you will be liable to PayPal for the amount of PayPal’s damages caused by your violation of the Acceptable Use Policy;
you acknowledge and agree that USD 2,500.00 (or the prevailing equivalent in the currency of the country in which you reside) per violation of the Acceptable Use Policy is:
What's insane is folks agreeing to the terms, breaching the same and then obscuring aspects of the story on here.
Whether or not PayPal is morally or ethically wrong about this, why would anyone not act proactively to protect themselves, especially when they're selling something that bothers on AUP? |
| HungeringCold | 05-15-2021 12:36 PM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandoras_box
(Post 1153597)
PayPal has made its terms clear: Using our service, you can do AB&C but not XYZ. If you're unsure, contact us and ask. But if you violate these terms, we would keep your money. Don't like it? Use another service!
OP agreed to the following terms: Code:
“Actions We May Take if You Engage in Any Restricted Activities
If you use your PayPal account primarily for the purposes of your trade, business, craft or profession and you violate the Acceptable Use Policy, then:
in addition to being subject to the above actions you will be liable to PayPal for the amount of PayPal’s damages caused by your violation of the Acceptable Use Policy;
you acknowledge and agree that USD 2,500.00 (or the prevailing equivalent in the currency of the country in which you reside) per violation of the Acceptable Use Policy is:
What's insane is folks agreeing to the terms, breaching the same and then obscuring aspects of the story on here.
Whether or not PayPal is morally or ethically wrong about this, why would anyone not act proactively to protect themselves, especially when they're selling something that bothers on AUP?
| Sure, it says that they protect themselves from potential damages, but where are these damages that they speak of? If they want to confiscate other people's money then certainly they'd have to prove to a court that there's even any damage incurred at all? Let alone the full amount that's on a person's Paypal account? If I caused Paypal 160k worth of damage out of the blue, then I am a unicorn. The reality is that they just take it all because they think they can, not because they have any reasonable grounds to do so. If they held their big tech friends to the same standards, then pretty much everyone's money would have been confiscated at this point. So many companies deal with copyright infringement at one point or another. |
| agent006140 | 05-15-2021 12:41 PM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Paypal AUP violations is published on its website,you can go and see what you have violated.
if you think you have done nothing wrong,get a lawyer |
| HungeringCold | 05-15-2021 12:52 PM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Quote:
Originally Posted by agent006140
(Post 1153601)
Paypal AUP violations is published on its website,you can go and see what you have violated.
if you think you have done nothing wrong,get a lawyer
| I am getting a lawyer and let's say that I did something wrong, you don't get a 200k fine if you violate traffic rules either. Like am I just crazy for suggesting that imposing a fine and confiscating a 6 digit sum without any evidence of damages OR warning is 2 completely different things? |
| agent006140 | 05-15-2021 03:11 PM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
there is warning,when you sign up to use Paypal,did you review terms and agreement?
it is $2500 per violation.
You must have sold plenty to accumulate so much,so $2500x what ever ?
why dont you sell us what you sold and how you sold them ? |
| agent006140 | 05-15-2021 03:13 PM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
AUP is not traffic violation,if you sold stuff which could come back and bite you in the ass and you are long gone ,then Paypal becomes the bagholder.
tell us what you have sold,you will get no sympathy here,it has happened to many |
| muzzie | 05-15-2021 03:26 PM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
PayPal had apparently faced a lawsuit because of your actions, so they used their right to use your funds to cover their losses. However keeping such a tremendous amount in PP is very unprofessional. |
| agent006140 | 05-15-2021 04:16 PM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Quote:
Originally Posted by muzzie
(Post 1153615)
PayPal had apparently faced a lawsuit because of your actions, so they used their right to use your funds to cover their losses. However keeping such a tremendous amount in PP is very unprofessional.
| folks keep their money in their Paypal account for different reasons,if they are hiding from their spouse or creditors (not IRS) and states if they are getting SSI ,states do look into their bank accounts.
or if they are getting paid in a a foreign currency and cant transfer to their local bank,PAYpal is a good way to stash that money |
| RipeBanana | 05-16-2021 08:36 PM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Last year just before the 1st UK lockdown paypal closed my account due to "Potential Risk", I had almost 10K in there, I had the account for 6+ years, all was good, even had that priority customer service thing on the account, forgot how its called.
I came to this forum looking for help, it all seemed doomed and gloomed reading this kind of story, fortunately 6 months later they sent me an email to withdraw the money.
I was selling electronics tho, all shipped from my house, tracking numbers uploaded. They dont always take the cash. |
| Wesker | 05-24-2021 10:21 PM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
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| GreenBean | 05-24-2021 11:49 PM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Quote:
Originally Posted by agent006140
(Post 1153612)
AUP is not traffic violation,if you sold stuff which could come back and bite you in the ass and you are long gone ,then Paypal becomes the bagholder.
tell us what you have sold,you will get no sympathy here,it has happened to many
| Why do you repeatedly talk negatively to posters and seem to be making yourself a vestial virgin?
What is so darn important for you to know what was being sold?
:comp5: |
| DENDEN76 | 05-24-2021 11:53 PM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
Quote:
Originally Posted by RipeBanana
(Post 1153772)
Last year just before the 1st UK lockdown paypal closed my account due to "Potential Risk", I had almost 10K in there, I had the account for 6+ years, all was good, even had that priority customer service thing on the account, forgot how its called.
I came to this forum looking for help, it all seemed doomed and gloomed reading this kind of story, fortunately 6 months later they sent me an email to withdraw the money.
I was selling electronics tho, all shipped from my house, tracking numbers uploaded. They dont always take the cash.
| Geez thank God. Where you constantly contacting them or had you forgotten about it? |
| Wesker | 05-26-2021 05:48 AM |
Re: PayPal Perma Limited. 48k Gone at 175 days
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