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Default Purpose of phsyical address attached to paypal?

I'm wondering if someone can confirm a few things for me.

I've heard that the address MUST be in the same state as your IP address, is this true?

In general, what does paypal use this address for? Do I really need immediate access to this address?

answer does not have to be straight, I understand, but please forgive me for being moderately inquisitive..
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Depends. If your IP address it is not in your state, it could be a clear indicator that you are not actually based at your registered address or that someone may have gained access to your PP account.

People can still log into their PP account from all over the world (or in different states) but PP have security measures in place, placing limitations on accounts, which is not ideal for stealth accounts.

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Well, I have another question then.

How many of the 3 things do they really need to verify your account (I remember them asking me but they don't specify)? What if I could provide just a proof of address?

Is this one of the 'security measures' you speak of?
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I was kind of talking about that yes, though I was referring to the possible problems you may encounter when your IP changes from your state to another.

You are talking about the PP verification process.

You should head over to PP.com and find out as much as you can about the verifications process in your country.

Search PP and you will find all the info you need, it will be layed out nicely and easy to understand. Once you have a better understanding of that, you will be able to ask more specific questions.

Click link - http://anonym.to/?https://cms.paypal...rification_faq

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It says I need a confirmed bank account. Does "confirming" entail anything having to do with checking the address with the bank?
I'm guessing no.

It also says OR received approval for a paypal plus credit card, to which I assume they do have to check your address.
Is the 'withdrawal limit' applied to payments at all? Could I still be sending 2000$ gift payments to other accounts?

I am not thinking of moving, I already did. A PP customer service rep. told me the day before yesterday my account had been linked with someone elses even though we both had separate socials and the limitation would be lifted.
Very strange, maybe related to my IP?
The other times I called, before and after, people told me there was no way to appeal it.
The last time I told him what the other guy told me (they were both limitations specialists), and he basically expressed that the other guy shouldn't have been telling me stuff like that and was wrong.

I had 1 address from back home and 1 here associated with the account. Now I am thinking of making an account with a different address in the state of my previous residence...

another thing I am assuming; Pp does link 2 addresses to your account and will use either to link your other accounts, correct?

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No, it basically means it is a bank account that you have access to. Confirmed once you have checked the two deposits in the bank account and used them on PP. Confirmed your account.


No. That is receiving & sending limit. This limit is the annual amount you can withdraw from your PP.

They would only tell you this if their was clear evidence that the accounts are linked. Their must be similarities in the registered information.

No. Could start out as IP related but still needs to be other factors, many people share IP addresses, take a public network for example.

Can't quite understand this one, if you mean that somebody would get linked if the only difference to their limited PP account was an address, then yes PP will eventually catch up with you

That is why in stealth you should change more details as to appear like a different person, for example if you changed your DOB and Address, they would unlikely link you but instead ask for verification if they suspected anything...that is just a basic example
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Thanks for clearing a lot of that up for me.

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Can't quite understand this one, if you mean that somebody would get linked if the only difference to their limited PP account was an address, then yes PP will eventually catch up with you

That is why in stealth you should change more details as to appear like a different person, for example if you changed your DOB and Address, they would unlikely link you but instead ask for verification if they suspected anything...that is just a basic example
No, I was wondering if there could only be 1 address that they will use to link to another account.
Meaning, since I only used this new address for my account recently, could I start a 2nd account with this address?

I would change all other details of course, I understand that.
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^hmmm, I was thinking of this recently and am really unsure, the biggest problem is if one account gets limited then they will take a 'longer' look at the other account with the same address.

Tough one, I would personally not use the same address even if you are changing other details. As I said, PP will want more informationa and take a manual look into the accounts.

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Thanks for clearing a lot of that up for me.



No, I was wondering if there could only be 1 address that they will use to link to another account.
Meaning, since I only used this new address for my account recently, could I start a 2nd account with this address?

I would change all other details of course, I understand that.
You are going off track if you think that way.

Either: two accounts with all the same info except email to a paypal

OR two accounts with every single bit of info different. The whole lot, IP, bank account, address, phone number.

Are you sure you are up to doing that? You need to read a LOT more here on the forum B4 you even think of having an account, let alone more than one
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Depends. If your IP address it is not in your state, it could be a clear indicator that you are not actually based at your registered address or that someone may have gained access to your PP account.

People can still log into their PP account from all over the world (or in different states) but PP have security measures in place, placing limitations on accounts, which is not ideal for stealth accounts.

Not quite correct. Many of us use IPs that are not neccessarily near our physical address. The desire with paypal is more that the IP numbers stay the same. The issue is if a strange IP is used more than a location.

Until you get your head around this deeper stuff, hold off to see if others answer. Otherwise info might not be accurate
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^^^ I am starting to realise that their is always exceptions that do and do not matter, when it come to EB and PP that is.

Some stealth users must get it in the neck from pp when they are using mobile broadband dongles or any other device that is constantly changing their IP!

Do you think they take IP range into consideration?
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While IP is relatively important when you first register, it's your activity + what you sell + profile pattern that will determine your longetivity in the long run.
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SO, if I go and log into my other account, I'll want to change the IP again before I log into my new account, correct?
And I don't want to be changing it all the time... I guess I'd better get everything wrapped up on that account and stop using it...

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You are going off track if you think that way.

Either: two accounts with all the same info except email to a paypal

OR two accounts with every single bit of info different. The whole lot, IP, bank account, address, phone number.

Are you sure you are up to doing that? You need to read a LOT more here on the forum B4 you even think of having an account, let alone more than one
Good, thats what I thought, so I'll be changing everything.

I already had one account for quite a while and got through a number of issues and now I am kicked out, how old exactly are you assuming I am? i think i can handle it.

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OK, just staring at the paypal sign up page I realized how to clarify my question:

Basically, what would paypal do if the address was bogus?
There, now that I have your attention I'm almost definitely not planning on doing that.
I know its used to link other accounts for sure, but if they wont actually ask me for confirmation until I hit the withdrawal limit, then will they even check that it exists until then?

One more thing about the IP, how do you guys with multiple accounts do it? Don't you have to change it too much??
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Really?

No one has ever tried using a false address?

I mean, we use false names, and not all addresses are charted online for PP to access... anyone have experience?
If no one can answer, I'm going to try it. Maybe it will at least stay open long enough for me to sell/buy something
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One more thing about the IP, how do you guys with multiple accounts do it? Don't you have to change it too much??
Personally I am restarting my modem to change my ip in purpose to entering my another PP and e bay accounts.You can also use some ways to make it easy
but lot of them has risk.

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Really?

No one has ever tried using a false address?

I mean, we use false names, and not all addresses are charted online for PP to access... anyone have experience?
If no one can answer, I'm going to try it. Maybe it will at least stay open long enough for me to sell/buy something
As rsot said before , pay pal may check more quite if its newestly registered, for long period other things become more important than ip's . You need to have Stealth Book to see how to manage false adresses in case of restriction of paypal that probably it may be in future.
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Sorry if I am sounding arrogant but @arpichelago, i have 2 questions for you: 1. Have you read the stealth guide? 2. Have your tried searching the forum for some posts on your questions?

While it is nice that a few of the knowledgeable people have responded to your post (and I myself would like to), I sincerely feel that the spoon feeding has to stop.

The guide itself tells you how to set up stuff cleanly.

Even GreenBean ..ha I am

But seriously, if I am overreaching my comments, feel free to put me in my place. I just feel that this post has gone on long enough to "whet your appetite"
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If someone had simply said 'yes the addresses are not real' then how many more posts do you really think there would have been in this thread?
The only reason I kept bumping it was because no one would give me a straight answer.

I get it, I really do. Sometimes I'd honestly rather hear personal experiences on specific details. Since paypal makes decisions so arbitrarily, the book is an equally if not less absolute and concrete form of information than multiple peoples personal viewpoints and opinions.

I also do not absolutely need an answer, so if the thread bothers you that much I think you have the willpower to stop reading it. I do know how to work with my own devices, I am aware that I am not entitled to an answer here.

I don't know what you mean by appetite, whos hungry or whats to be eaten but vaguely implicative platitudes are not at all meaningful or significant in this context. Are they?

I have made a stealth account, sold and transferred the money. Sure it got limited again, but I know why and I know how to open another. Wherever I am on the official scale of naivety perhaps its complimenting my ambition. If I have to make another account for every 500$ I make, so be it.
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One more thing about the IP, how do you guys with multiple accounts do it? Don't you have to change it too much??
You really do need the stealth guide.

Now, stop messing about and get it bought,

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No, no I don't. I have 100$ this week and new inventory, I'm relatively happy and I of course changed my IP in order to do this.

The reason I asked that is because there are limitations of wireless routers and modems, and at that point I didn't realize how unimportant the IP address (and all addresses) are.
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If someone had simply said 'yes the addresses are not real' then how many more posts do you really think there would have been in this thread?
The only reason I kept bumping it was because no one would give me a straight answer.
I've always used bogus addresses for all my accounts with no problems, that is if you know how to list without getting mc010 or asked to fax in docs and plan to do so, then in that case you would want a real address and that's the recomended way to go now, you just have to make sure it's not used by another suspended ebay user.

Also if you already have an account with a bogus address you can google it and change it up a little or change it completely and link it to a mailbox which can be good for paypal address verification when they mail you a pin to confirm address.
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The reason I asked that is because there are limitations of wireless routers and modems, and at that point I didn't realize how unimportant the IP address (and all addresses) are.
Well they are important in making sure you give EB and PP as little (or no) similarities at all. So a strong EB and PP account would never use previously suspended IP addresses or business/home addresses.

Here is a quick example of linking via IP. If you have two 'seperate' accounts that are using the same IP address in rotation. This tells EB and PP that the accounts are using the same network.

And as for limitations on IP addresses because of wireless routers and modems, that is not technically true. IP limitations are purely down to ISP's.
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