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180 Day dispute claim window comes to USA...
 

November 18th...be ready to get sc@mmed 4 times as much as you used to.

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Can you provide a source?

I googled it and got some very conflicting information.

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PP policy updates in your PP account is my source.

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lol..... 6 months????

this will be a nice rental system for the buyers....

they are seriously running out of ideas to attract customers....

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They are basically telling people anything you buy with PP is FREE.

Do whatever the fvck you want with your purchases for 6 months and on the 179th day, don't be afraid to just go ahead and sc@m the sh!t out of the person who sold it to you. They don't have a life and don't need money. Ste.al everything you can from them until they're dead. And even when they're dead, don't be afraid to l00t whatever is left on they're rotting body. We here at PP embrace cri.me and encourage you to do the same with all of your past and future shopping.

Hassle free, unlimited returns, zero-liability chargebacks. Welcome to the literal FREE world. Welcome to PP!

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Not much we can do but hope for good buyers.

As far as these charge backs though, i've came across quite a number. All ruled in my favor. Didn't provide much but a nice explanation what the buyer is trying to do (scam) and provided tracking. This has solved it for me 99% of the times.

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Unbelievable...180 days is way too long, even credit cards don't provide charge back guarentee for this amount of time.

This is literally paypal's way of telling sellers to go f- themselves. So many things can go wrong during a 6 month window due to buyer's negligence, and it's not a common practice for them to make excuses and blame it on the seller months after they've been using the item. I definitely don't think I want to sell using Paypal anymore.

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ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


add warning paypal link next time

Some of us are paranoid....

:nono:

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Honestly as a seller, i could literally get most things off ebay for free as a buyer, because i know how ebay handles these cases. It's a good thing i have something called ethic's when it comes to these things.

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It says PP.com...I really need to explain that????

Anyways, Walmart, the biggest retailer in the world, offers a maximum of 90 days to return products and that's only very specific products. Now, with PP, you get 180 days.

How does that even make sense? Most stores are 14-30 days. Only a handful are 60-90 days. PP just trounced all of them. And you can't just sc.am the sh!t out of retailers like you can PP. They are trying to funnel billions with ZERO losses and ZERO liability. That should be fvcking ill.egal.

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Fortunately most buyers are honest and wouldnt abuse this.

Also, most buyers wont pay any attention to updates that paypal and ebay make. Most casual users I know still believe sellers can leave them negative feedback

Besides, you think 6 months is bad. In the uk the distance selling regulations were recently superceded (cant remember the new name) basically unless you include a cancellation form in your listings a buyer has up to 2 YEARS to return an item. The seller is also legally oblidged to pay to have the item returned to them.

So in theory we have a 2 year rental period, lovely huh.:eek:

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Time to explore more of the other payment methods...

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This is going to be great for flippers. Imagine buying something and then putting it up for sale with a markup for 5 months and being able to return it if it doesn't sell.

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Putting this idea out there to help buyers? :FF:

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Not a new idea. This kind of thing is already rampant. After this change everybody will be doing it.

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For the things I sell, I don't think I will have a problem. My return rate is less than one-half of one percent. But if I were selling electronics or other expensive items, this policy would make me think twice.

I could see a buyer purchasing a computer, overclocking it and leaving it running 24/7. The system is cooked in 5 months and then they want to return it because it is "not as described".

It is almost like being forced to insure the item for 6 months against buyer misuse and stupidity.

What about apparel? Could you buy a dress, wear it a few times over 6 months and then decide to return it? I know that some people do that now over shorter time periods.

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Of course you could. And that will happen. People will figure it all out just like those who have figured out how to open cases now and get whatever they want for free.

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Sadly very true

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more and more i see pp tos update i am glad i went to amazon

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180 days!!!! unbelievable!!!!

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Here's a good story about the new PP policy effective November 18, 2014 ~

An Unpleasant Surprise in New PayPal User Agreement

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One day these companies will actually hire someone that understands their system and the reason it is used, rather than accountants that just keep making more drastic changes in a hope to bring back the users that they are loosing due to their last mistakes.

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I dont see how this is any good for paypal. I mean think about the number of people who may just toss an account who may have stuck around before. The number of people who may be willing to fight this if they get a bill. If I sold a computer for $900 and I mean after a month if paypal says I owed them money i might say meh fine i dont want any trouble. But now 5 months later after I may have already spent the money Im more likely to tell paypal to screw off.

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Zappos.com is 365 day return window.

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So, you support this? You want 365? Where's your store? I want to buy some items from you.

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Haha unkown - that made a nice morning laugh - hope the items are interesting...

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I sell vintage and there is no way I am going to offer a 6 month warranty on a vintage item for scumbag buyers to misuse and break.

I once had a cheeky buyer purchase a real tortoiseshell vintage hair accessory from me. She wanted to return it 8 weeks later because she had worn it in the shower and "all the polish had come off".

Fortunately she was outside the (then) 45 day return period so I pointed out that antiques should be treated with respect. She replied "There was nothing in your Ebay descripton to say I couldnt wear in in the shower."

My reply?

"Antiques dont come with a user manual"

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Loser buyer...sigh no way of avoiding these kind of types without feedback warning

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Of course they are, they have never been more threatened than by the developments in the Far East with Ali Express and their parent Alibaba heading for the stratosphere with their meteoric rise, happening at exactly the same time that Ebay tries to tighten up its counterfeit divisions! Making Ebay looking old hat and stupid, a master stroke or what!!

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Nice touch biggie! Would of loved to have a fly on the wall when she got that reply from you!!

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I don't support anything just giving some info. Calm down.

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This is like some kind of sick, cruel joke.

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"Blood in, blood out."

New in PP TOS.

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Well this is just fantastic news :( the bulk of my business is clothing and I already get screwed with people keeping something a couple weeks then opening a case saying it was SNAD and I get it back with the tags gone and smelling like perfume and covered in deodorant cause they have worn it a few times. I stopped selling formal dresses for that very reason I was getting like a 30% return rate on them coming back worn and ebay siding with the buyer 90% of the time, the scammers usually send it back then open the case the day it arrives on my end, as soon as ebay sees they'd returned it they just automatically found in their favor. 180 days will basically allow them to have something for a whole season then return it. This is a joke. I really wish google would get into the auction game, honestly they are the only company big enough that could truly compete with ebay.

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Buyers can file only so many SNAD's before PP dumps the buyers too. Ebay/PP or whatever know that 99% of buyers forget they have an item or where they bought it from after a month.
You don't need six months to scam a seller so what's the big deal. It's a marketing gimmick to promote value/trust in PP.
A legit buyer will not ask for a refund a month or two later just because it's a pathetic thing to do. Normal people have some pride and some class...

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Ummmm, what? How long have you been a seller?

People asking for refunds months later is a very common occurrence. The ones who are really a$$holes just file chargebacks if you don't respond. Stop acting like buyers are innocent or dumb and have no clue how to get their money back for nothing. They all know d@mn well and good.

I want to sell items in your fairy land. Zero refunds is pure fantasy.

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PP and EB both lose their fees when you refund a buyer. How is this in their interest? It is like they are cutting their throats as well

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The issue most have is that the site will be flooded with non normal people. People with lots of accounts just buying and then hoping you forget and throw away the reciept or whatever a few months later and filing a dispute. The worst thing about this is i think ups and usps may recycle tracking numbers at 5 months

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Now thats just ridiculous, hopefully they would atleast be wise enough to judge a claim that was opened 175 days after ordering much more favorable for the seller as opposed to a claim open 7 days after ordering