To trust or not to trust: Can PayPal detect VPN providers now in 2016 - eBay Suspended & PayPal Limited Forums
eBay Suspension & PayPal Limited Forums  
Join Today
Register Subscribe
     

Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!


Go Back   Home > Marketplace Discussions > PayPal Talk

PayPal Talk PayPal Forums. General issues related to PayPal.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 04-02-2016
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 63
Thanks: 14
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Activity: 0%
Longevity: 44%
iTrader: (0)
Default To trust or not to trust: Can PayPal detect VPN providers now in 2016

I have this feeling PayPal can detect VPN providers,

But stopping everyone would not be convenient for PayPal.

so it wouldn't be of surprise to me if PayPal placed a TRUST glitch - That might not appear suspicious at first glance - EX. transaction fail all the time, money is delayed from PayPal to your bank or vice-versa - they won't genuinely attempt to resolve the matter for you when it comes to a TRUST issue or a RISK issue.

They increased investments in new technology, the latest anti-fraud technology, I forgot the article but it said PayPal would stop allowing VPNs to use their services altogether, this was in Australia so not sure if they mean worldwide.

Can PayPal identify VPNs and still allow you to conduct business?
Reply With Quote
The complete step-by-step guide to get back to selling today!

  #2  
Old 04-02-2016
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 1,008
Thanks: 94
Thanked 153 Times in 127 Posts
Activity: 11%
Longevity: 40%
iTrader: (2)
Default Re: To trust or not to trust: Can PayPal detect VPN providers now in 2016

You'd have to provide an article for me to believe any of that

The only website that I know of that doesn't support VPN's is Netflix.. unless there's a way around it that I am not aware of
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-02-2016
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 889
Thanks: 136
Thanked 297 Times in 198 Posts
Activity: 0%
Longevity: 41%
iTrader: (0)
Default Re: To trust or not to trust: Can PayPal detect VPN providers now in 2016

ofcourse they can. Don't see why anyone uses them other than if they're in another country
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-02-2016
yankee's Avatar
Executive [VIP]
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 7,815
Thanks: 2,274
Thanked 2,615 Times in 1,916 Posts
Activity: 39%
Longevity: 46%
iTrader: (2)
Default Re: To trust or not to trust: Can PayPal detect VPN providers now in 2016

VPNs have always been detectable as far as I am aware.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-02-2016
JamesNorth101's Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 17,512
Thanks: 1,461
Thanked 4,433 Times in 3,438 Posts
Activity: 79%
Longevity: 51%
iTrader: (362)
Default Re: To trust or not to trust: Can PayPal detect VPN providers now in 2016

Its not about if they can detect the VPN or not

Its about the VPN used

Abused VPNs will get your account shut down since they are used by scammers a lot

Choose a VPN carefully and you wont have an issue
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to JamesNorth101 For This Useful Post:
Play (05-18-2016), RosieTosie (04-22-2016)
  #6  
Old 04-02-2016
Junior Member
Threadstarter  
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 63
Thanks: 14
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Activity: 0%
Longevity: 44%
iTrader: (0)
Default Re: To trust or not to trust: Can PayPal detect VPN providers now in 2016

Quote:
Originally Posted by jakobrockz View Post
You'd have to provide an article for me to believe any of that

The only website that I know of that doesn't support VPN's is Netflix.. unless there's a way around it that I am not aware of
This is in Australia, hence "While this appears to hold truth, things are going to get much harder if you paid for your VPN service using a PayPal account."

By what I mean, I love paying for VPN with PayPal.

Netflix geoblocking: PayPal just made it harder to get US Netflix in Australia

It is very noticeable now PayPal places a special kind of glitch on VPN accounts, I have notice glitches more and more as I use VPN providers than say MIFIs, even the those providers that offer 'Fresh IPs' with much cleaner IPs.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-03-2016
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 17
Thanks: 2
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Activity: 0%
Longevity: 28%
iTrader: (0)
Default Re: To trust or not to trust: Can PayPal detect VPN providers now in 2016

I have a stealth account based in USA that was created and sold by a seller. Logged in with VPN to click without doing any transactions for 7 days. Surprised, payment came in without 21 days hold but I was able to transfer the funds out - all these in a VPN IP.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-03-2016
rsot's Avatar
Executive [VIP]
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 58,833
Thanks: 4,652
Thanked 7,170 Times in 6,535 Posts
Activity: 100%
Longevity: 77%
iTrader: (7)
Default Re: To trust or not to trust: Can PayPal detect VPN providers now in 2016

Welcome to the forums - all the best as you master stealth then
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-05-2016
sax4's Avatar
Executive [VIP]
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 4,029
Thanks: 1,533
Thanked 852 Times in 629 Posts
Activity: 32%
Longevity: 75%
iTrader: (0)
Default Re: To trust or not to trust: Can PayPal detect VPN providers now in 2016

I have been using VPN for years without problems. BBC Iplayer in UK are now blocking VPN's, it's not difficult, they just find out the IP range from the most popular providers and block them. I suppose to get around that you would create your own VPN server
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 04-10-2016
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 52
Thanks: 3
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Activity: 0%
Longevity: 28%
iTrader: (0)
Default Re: To trust or not to trust: Can PayPal detect VPN providers now in 2016

guys why don't you use VPS instead, quite the same price, and wayyyy more secure than VPN for online activities
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 04-21-2016
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 34
Thanks: 23
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Activity: 0%
Longevity: 27%
iTrader: (0)
Default Re: To trust or not to trust: Can PayPal detect VPN providers now in 2016

pp can detect vpns 4 sure ....they told me by phone my real ip n what the name of server hosts that im using
i thought flash n java cuz the problem but really they can knw !!!
also there is a defrent between a anonymous proxies n vpn
i think pp anti anonymous proxies but not VPN servers
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 04-21-2016
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 827
Thanks: 43
Thanked 198 Times in 155 Posts
Activity: 0%
Longevity: 88%
iTrader: (27)
Default Re: To trust or not to trust: Can PayPal detect VPN providers now in 2016

Even if they can detect them, it's not about the fact you use a VPN it's the quality and reliability of the provider. Are the IPs used and abused? Is the IP clean?

This is why most serious users go to 24vc and buy a FRESH one.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 04-21-2016
123's Avatar
123 123 is offline
Executive [VIP]
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 4,994
Thanks: 388
Thanked 1,221 Times in 702 Posts
Activity: 43%
Longevity: 73%
iTrader: (631)
Default Re: To trust or not to trust: Can PayPal detect VPN providers now in 2016

Been using vpns for thousands of accounts by now (my personal accounts & the ones I sell on the forum) for many years now and never had any problems including in 2016. Also never noticed any 'glitches' when I was using a VPN as opposed to MIFI for example.

As others have already mentioned it all really depends on the quality of vpn company you go with, whether they can be detected or not is not the problem. Anybody if they really wanted to can manually search your ip address and find out if your using a residential or business/data center ip, but there's nothing wrong with using a business / data center ip. As most legitimate major companies use vpns throughout their offices for security purposes etc. So they will never ban vpns as their are many legitimate reasons for using a vpn connection, they will however as they always have done, ban the ips that are abused, such as the ones you would get from a poorly chosen vpn company. So just make sure to get a fresh Dedicated IP from a reliable company and you'll have no issues ever.

Also just on a side note even netflix which actually has a legitimate reason to try to ban all vpn users hasn't been successful, there are still a ton of ways to use a vpn to watch netflix etc.
__________________


Guaranteed FRESH IP Addresses for amazon, eBay, and PayPal - 24vc.com

Last edited by 123; 04-21-2016 at 12:15 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to 123 For This Useful Post:
JamesNorth101 (04-21-2016), mophie (05-18-2016)
  #14  
Old 05-18-2016
Junior Member
Threadstarter  
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 63
Thanks: 14
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Activity: 0%
Longevity: 44%
iTrader: (0)
Default Re: To trust or not to trust: Can PayPal detect VPN providers now in 2016

I have to agree with 123 while is simply hard to block every provider, 24vc is probably the best service for stealth.

I think Netflix is nuts if they think they can block every service out there, they most have to monitor every activity you do.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 05-18-2016
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 201
Thanks: 37
Thanked 57 Times in 43 Posts
Activity: 0%
Longevity: 30%
iTrader: (0)
Default Re: To trust or not to trust: Can PayPal detect VPN providers now in 2016

websites can definitely see that you are using a VPN. anyone familiar with web security knows this.

try going to hackforums.net on any VPN or Proxy. they will straight up block you.

HOW MUCH they care is debatable
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 05-18-2016
JamesNorth101's Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 17,512
Thanks: 1,461
Thanked 4,433 Times in 3,438 Posts
Activity: 79%
Longevity: 51%
iTrader: (362)
Default Re: To trust or not to trust: Can PayPal detect VPN providers now in 2016

That would be more to do with the IP range that is being used.

Not all VPNs would get blocked by hackforums.net
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 05-18-2016
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 19
Thanks: 1
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Activity: 0%
Longevity: 27%
iTrader: (0)
Default Re: To trust or not to trust: Can PayPal detect VPN providers now in 2016

I'm pretty certain that Paypal asseses the risk based on the IP, if they detect it as a VPN or Proxy. I'm using public VPN and have always problems sending money, and basically with eeverything.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 05-18-2016
Play's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 6,164
Thanks: 1,110
Thanked 1,612 Times in 1,309 Posts
Activity: 53%
Longevity: 56%
iTrader: (41)
Default Re: To trust or not to trust: Can PayPal detect VPN providers now in 2016

Quote:
Originally Posted by skrzat123 View Post
I'm pretty certain that Paypal asseses the risk based on the IP, if they detect it as a VPN or Proxy. I'm using public VPN and have always problems sending money, and basically with eeverything.
There's your problem. Public VPN. The same IP used by a lot of people for the wrong things. Your basically sharing the internet with them. Makes sense for paypal to cause problems.

Use a Private VPN. Static/Dedicated IP. That will take away a lot of your problems.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 05-18-2016
JamesNorth101's Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 17,512
Thanks: 1,461
Thanked 4,433 Times in 3,438 Posts
Activity: 79%
Longevity: 51%
iTrader: (362)
Default Re: To trust or not to trust: Can PayPal detect VPN providers now in 2016

Quote:
Originally Posted by skrzat123 View Post
I'm pretty certain that Paypal asseses the risk based on the IP, if they detect it as a VPN or Proxy. I'm using public VPN and have always problems sending money, and basically with eeverything.
Again that is due to the IP / IP range being used

A public VPN will have been abused
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to JamesNorth101 For This Useful Post:
nickopedia (10-13-2018)
  #20  
Old 10-13-2018
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 192
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Activity: 0%
Longevity: 32%
iTrader: (0)
Default Re: To trust or not to trust: Can PayPal detect VPN providers now in 2016

This makes no sense as paypal specifically states you CAN NOT Use a VPN. so why does everybody say its ok?
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 10-13-2018
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 2,638
Thanks: 906
Thanked 893 Times in 658 Posts
Activity: 57%
Longevity: 24%
iTrader: (0)
Default Re: To trust or not to trust: Can PayPal detect VPN providers now in 2016

Regardless of the technology used to connect to any given network (VPN/SOCKS/PROXY/WIFI etc) PayPal just looks at the IP range. They don't care HOW you make the connection; they are just concerned about the IP range.

For example if you setup a VPN server on your own home broadband then used that same VPN to connect to it, PayPal would see you were on your home connection even though it was a VPN.

People need to stop saying PayPal doesn't allow VPN's as that has nothing to do with the IP address (network) that VPN is connected to.

Some people here make their own VPN's using server IP's with their own networks so they don't have to use the VPN companies own (possibly tainted/blacklisted) IP ranges.
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Paypal and secure trust payments autosweeper UK eBay & Paypal 15 11-22-2012 05:49 AM
SOB! Always trust your gut Grifter Subscriber Discussions 10 07-06-2011 08:48 PM
Gadually building up Paypal Trust!! Fizzy_Vimto Subscriber Discussions 11 11-02-2010 10:35 PM
Paypal transfer with Columbus Trust? decp85 PayPal Talk 2 05-11-2010 04:54 PM
Do you trust your eyes? bobrob Everything Else 1 03-23-2009 08:31 PM


Aspkin Group

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:38 PM.


Stop the guessing games and learn how you can quickly and easily get back on eBay today!
Read the best selling step-by-step eBay Suspension guide eBay Stealth!
Amazon Suspension? Read Amazon Ghost to get back on Amazon!
vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger
no new posts