Vero and criminal complaint

[Superboy23]

I got a message on ebay to take down a listing regarding an item from a user saying that they own the item and will report me criminally for copyright appropriation


I placed this item from Amazon like my other 5k listed items, I dropshipping amazon to ebay

Can they do that?

[murdered_by_ebay]

ask them to introduce themselves and verify if they are who they pretend to be

if yes remove the item , if no ignore

[SaiJin]

Originally Posted by Superboy23

I got a message on ebay to take down a listing regarding an item from a user saying that they own the item and will report me criminally for copyright appropriation


I placed this item from Amazon like my other 5k listed items, I dropshipping amazon to ebay

Can they do that?

1. No really... that's old textbook scare tactics. If they were the real owners, they'd not bother to message you, they'd just do it and poof... gone is your account.

2. You know amazon will soon or later nuke your account for this?

[Superboy23]

Thats the original traslated message (its in italian)

"Good morning,
We have proceeded to send the report to Ebay and the VeRo Intellectual Verification program for your listing, they will now immediately close your account.

You have violated all laws regarding Misappropriation of Photos, Texts, Identity Theft, Registered Trademark, and Violation of the sale of unauthorized products as the ONLY AUTHORIZED MANUFACTURER WITH A TRADEMARK AND COPYRIGHT ON THE *Brand name* BRANDED PRODUCT that is our EXCLUSIVE property.

You have 2 hours to close the listing after which with all the master data already in our possession we will file a Complaint to the Postal Police to whom we have already reported your Ebay listing and your billing information. (master data)
Cordially."

I removed the list. Let's see what she will say. But yeah, idont want to blowup my money in lawyers and so on
Thank you guys

[Superboy23]

Originally Posted by SaiJin

1. No really... that's old textbook scare tactics. If they were the real owners, they'd not bother to message you, they'd just do it and poof... gone is your account.

2. You know amazon will soon or later nuke your account for this?

yes i know about amazon, i have some stealth amazon buyer account ready

[Superboy23]

Update: She said "I won't do anything, bye" after i asked some questions ahah

[Nimble]

I can't believe you fell for that, I didn't know there was a "postal police".

If they actually had Vero rights all they had to do was report to ebay and it would have got removed, your account doesn't get suspended because of 1 Vero violation. I went through this experience, my listing was removed and in the message from eb I was told to contact the vero rights holder and they included their details in the message.

I didn't have a pre warning from the Vero holders themselves, why would they waste their time sending out messages.

[Superboy23]

Originally Posted by Nimble

I can't believe you fell for that, I didn't know there was a "postal police".

If they actually had Vero rights all they had to do was report to ebay and it would have got removed, your account doesn't get suspended because of 1 Vero violation. I went through this experience, my listing was removed and in the message from eb I was told to contact the vero rights holder and they included their details in the message.

I didn't have a pre warning from the Vero holders themselves, why would they waste their time sending out messages.

She said that she reporteted to ebay but she will not do any criminal complaint (her last message)

The fact that made me suspicious was that she said she had already contacted Ebay but later says to remove the listing or I will be criminally charged
But if you have already contacted ebay to remove it and you are 100% SURE you have copyright what is the point of me removing the list? Ebay will remove it soon so..
And then i dont undestand how she has the right of the images and other stuff pf a Company that has altready his store on Amazon and other marketplaces but she contacted me with her ****ty 30 sales new shop

[Superboy23]

Originally Posted by Nimble

I can't believe you fell for that, I didn't know there was a "postal police".

If they actually had Vero rights all they had to do was report to ebay and it would have got removed, your account doesn't get suspended because of 1 Vero violation. I went through this experience, my listing was removed and in the message from eb I was told to contact the vero rights holder and they included their details in the message.

I didn't have a pre warning from the Vero holders themselves, why would they waste their time sending out messages.

Postal police is like an IT department of government that manages complaits in Italy
I just copied and paste on google traslate didnt have the time to traslate her no sense messages.

[agent006140]

You said you copied the item from AMZN,is it from a third party AMZN seller?

[SaiJin]

Just block the bloke and move on...

and... stop dropshipping from amazon and stop abusing their prime. Seriously

[Superboy23]

Originally Posted by agent006140

You said you copied the item from AMZN,is it from a third party AMZN seller?

No shipped by amazon

[Superboy23]

Originally Posted by SaiJin

Just block the bloke and move on...

and... stop dropshipping from amazon and stop abusing their prime. Seriously

Mmh i will be more selective right now
Now i just upload items that i know are low risk vero
Not branded stuff for sure.

[Hank]

Ignore those poster who tell you to ignore any vero threat.

I have trademarks registered with VERO, which I've used to take down sellers in the past.

But with Amazon dropshippers it's even easier. All you need to do is link the Amazon ASIN and they'll take down the ebay listing based upon copying the images and text as long as the ASIN was created before the ebay account. 100% success rate.

But I always fire off a message to sellers first giving them the opportunity to voluntarily take down their ebay listing. Many do and we both move on. Those that don't I set out to destroy their ebay account and they lose all listings not just the ones I asked them too. That way I don't feel as guilty.

Like I said, ignore any threat at your peril.

[rsot]

Originally Posted by Superboy23

Mmh i will be more selective right now
Now i just upload items that i know are low risk vero
Not branded stuff for sure.

Better move indeed

[Superboy23]

Yes but i'm using a method that i think is safe right now

There are dropshippers on Amazon that buy to the factory in china a big stock send to amazon and Amazon will handle the shipping and everything. Those people dont own the copyright and its unlikely they will call me to remove their products
I already talk with one of them
They do most of my sales btw

[Hank]

Originally Posted by Superboy23

Yes but i'm using a method that i think is safe right now

There are dropshippers on Amazon that buy to the factory in china a big stock send to amazon and Amazon will handle the shipping and everything. Those people dont own the copyright and its unlikely they will call me to remove their products
I already talk with one of them
They do most of my sales btw

That's great, but some, like me also sell on ebay and, for my own reasons, I don't want you dropshipping my goods.

Dropshipping is a precarious business model, indeed it's not 'proper' dropshipping it's retail arbitrage.

It's frowned upon by both ebay and Amazon, the last thing you want to do is attract unwanted attention. It's an easy way for you to make money, don't get greedy.

For what it's worth I wouldn't trust anything the Chinese sellers say, they are the most defensive of their accounts and products. They want all the profit for themselves and can be ruthless.

[Superboy23]

Originally Posted by Hank

That's great, but some, like me also sell on ebay and, for my own reasons, I don't want you dropshipping my goods.

Dropshipping is a precarious business model, indeed it's not 'proper' dropshipping it's retail arbitrage.

It's frowned upon by both ebay and Amazon, the last thing you want to do is attract unwanted attention. It's an easy way for you to make money, don't get greedy.

For what it's worth I wouldn't trust anything the Chinese sellers say, they are the most defensive of their accounts and products. They want all the profit for themselves and can be ruthless.

Thank you for the help I appreciated it very much
I will use your advices :D

[dano]

Competitor for sure, find him, educate him

[Hank]

Originally Posted by dano

Competitor for sure, find him, educate him

Very bad advice. That kind of pointless bravado will cost them their account.

They're already on thin ice with their business model, why on earth would you want to try and mess with vero issues?

I'm a nobody in the world of copyright but have closed sellers down, the Chinese are on a different level when it comes to resources and ruthlessness.

[Superboy23]

The account is just the last thing
Just with a basic knowledge you can create hundreads and in few months have an army of accounts

The real problem is that if she own the copyright of the images he/she can open a complaint and most of the cases win, so you lose a lot of money

Hoping that she didnt vero my items (that i've already deleted when i saw the mail) i should still have my account alive

The real way to overcome vero is to find European dropshippers (in my case) that buy stocks on Chinese werehouse ship to Amazon and AMazon will handle shipping and so on
They most of the time dont have a brand (or they have and its like "ifiefje" ) and just want to make some profit on that items.

Its rare that someone will complaint for an Item but when it happen is dangerous. So choose carefully the items and find those without copyright.

All big company names could have a lawyer that just send hundreads of complaint a day so dont expect just a little company to attack you (its not a hypothesis, its the reality)


Btw i woke up with +100$ profit on that store, its a shame to have it destroyed but who cares, i've gologin with 10 other accounts

[dano]

Originally Posted by Hank

Very bad advice. That kind of pointless bravado will cost them their account.

They're already on thin ice with their business model, why on earth would you want to try and mess with vero issues?

I'm a nobody in the world of copyright but have closed sellers down, the Chinese are on a different level when it comes to resources and ruthlessness.

For me educating have ever bring good results. You can choose, win or loose