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21 Day Hold Removal Dead
 

Worked for me for months and months, then I just went to do it... nothing. I saw another thread but it's in a forum section I can't access.

Not true. Have you ever considered there are multiple ways to do it? (and no, I will not tell any of them!)

Instead of causing a red flag with the old method, why not think of the procedure and modify it a little to look more legitimate.... ?

Do you know how to do that, or are you saying I should innovate? If anyone could PM me their methods instead of posting in this thread, that would be appreciated -- hope this isn't against the rules.

From your post you sound like a spy for paypal there are many of them scum bags on here so i dout anyone will give this info to any one on here and a 2 post count member at that.

If you know how to get past the holds then keep it to your selfs and if your smart u will figer it out on your own such as the rest did.

No... the only reason I even made this account was to figure alternate methods. I know there's one with something like changing e-mail. I really need to figure out a way around this since I can never pay for EMS shipping if I don't have access to my money. Thanks for the warm welcome...

I am a little confused by your comment.
How could you see something in a thread that you can't get access to?
What is your old user name on the forum??



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When I got to the "PayPal Talk" section, there's a thread that's been "moved" to a section I cannot access. That thread pertains to the same subject of which I am asking.

Can someone just answer my question instead of being all suspicious - kind of annoying. Can just PM to me, I'm sure that's how YOU ALL learned it.

this is one of the reasons I stopped coming here months ago. the point of this whole thing as I and many others would think is to help each other trade info on how to get around the problems associated with ebay and paypal. My first time here was looking of a way around the 21 day hold. of course not one person would lend a hand in anyway. seems as if the majority of these people that "claim" to know how to do it either really don't or just want to feel superior to the rest of us. its a shame really. I hate to break it to you guys but there is nothing and I mean nothing any of you know about paypal's system that they do not already know. your all worried about the "paypal spies" like they come here to get ideas from you. thats a load of crap.

I mean really if none of you are here to discuss things and help others out why be here in the first place? I came on and helped people out that would post messages and get the same "why don't you try to search" answers.

That trick does seem a end now. maybe there is still a way around it. you can always do the tracking number thing but that posses a waiting limit as well. other than that I have no clue.

and on a side note I've noticed people asking how to take money out of paypal anonymously. we'll I have atm cards I've used for 2 years now that require no SS# and can be bought with completely made up info for $30 bucks. could share that information with the rest of you but this place is apparently not the place to share info....

Gurusgrafix, we are all here for similar reasons, but nobody will just spill out sensitive information on these forums, specially not to 'newer' members and for the obvious reasons. I have been here long enough to learn that each time someone comes up with solution to something and tells about it for all to see- it stops 'mysteriously' working soon after that. Surprise! Surprise!

And yes, I truly believe there are ebay and paypal spys among us looking for fixes to loopholes in their own systems. These people don't care that for some this may be the only way they know how to put the food on the table for their families. They got the bonus or a raise coming to them when they screw us up.

Just step back and think about it, and you will understand - it's nothing personal. But if you really care enough to solve your issues, take the time to read ALL of the posts, get involved, and you will probably get answers to your questions. 'Quick fixes' hardly work anywhere, and this forum is not an exception.:peace:

No one here should answer that question.
If they do it will be deleted by a moderator.
Some information we feel is safer if not posted.

The information you are asking about IS posted on the internet in 1 place.
It is up to you to do the searching for it.

And just to let you know MOST people learned the trick the same way I am telling you to learn it.

If you're referring to the trick: THAT DOES NOT work anymore which is why I'm asking you guys, which seem to know at least something about it. Could at least point me in the right direction if it's nowhere here and no one wants to share.

No new trick is known yet. paypal is changing all its paramaters at the moment so it is a daily battle to beat them. End of story

Nah.....HWGA would never do that. He gave you the "right direction" already.;)

I dont know another secret.

Be polite to other posters.

You can email paypal with the tracking number and some slow-hand might look it up for you and release but thats not guarenteed, in any case lets face it, these new rules arent just to protect from blah blah transactions, paypal benefit from interest on your money, they are not going to rush and release it.

Orion, please put your flag up. It truly is helpful to all of us if we know where your are from. HWGA says it perfectly. Rules are different for different countries. Likewise, if we know where you are from, it benefits us all from both giving and receiving advice.

So everyone here acknowledges that the "old trick" no longer works?

yup its dead, stop using paypal , use alternate methods to get your money, or just grin and bear it.... in a few days im pretty sure many other sites will have discussed this and you can google it (hey! that means i had to search) and hopefully someone would have came with an alternate method or some other solution or just admitted the fact that we all had a good run.... sheesh

And may I ask you how do you know that the "old trick" doesn't work any longer?

Ive heard no conclusive evidence that the old trick is dead, it may still work, but we are in a possible change period right now, we are going on anecdotal evidence that if used more than a set amount of times or if used in an obvious way you may get limited.

The funny thing is I actually had to use it once for a genuine reason, so what happens to those people, suppose they will have to back up their story, anyway if used in a non-obvious way (and you know what I mean by that) and very occasionally may still be ok, its just nobody wants to try it! Ive got a load of holds stacked up and waiting and i aint goin there!!!!!!

Thats why. HWGA gave you the answer (read above) you didn't bother to read or you just play ignorant or rude ............:heh: :peace:

Please spend your time good and not like this
 

friend just read the topics, same what everybody else is doing here. You will find the answers.

The old way still works (it worked yesterday with me), and if you have to do it for a genuine reason you will not get any problems. But if you that everyday the will limet you. Play smart and you will get there.

Lyda,
Believe me I understand what your saying, and I mean nothing bad by my remarks. Its just counter productive when every post you run across has people saying I know but I'm not telling. Seems like you have to join a club or something to get any useful info.

I've been doing this ebay thing full time for years now. I haven't had a job in 5 years. Have 4 kids, house, 2 cars the whole nine.. and right now I'm stuck because I have to use paypal and these holds are killing me when I have to start a new account. I had two ways to get around them. One is for sure no longer working. The other if I was selling one or two high dollar items every few days it would make sense but to go in and change it over and over and over all day long would have to flag an account.

As far as spies figuring out the "trick" from forums like this one, I think it makes more sense that when they noticed a lot of the new accounts started doing things outside of norm on EVERY transaction that threw up a flag as being something that needed to be looked at. I mean really in the time I've spent reading forums on the subject a lot of people seem to have a lot of very wild ideas about what ebay and paypal do and look for. If we do have spies running around I'm sure they're laughing at us on a lot of stuff we come up with. :grin:

I know it, Gurusgrafx and there is a lot of truth in what you just said. The problem is that Paypal is so very unpredictable, changing rules constantly and we have to change accordingly while trying to figure other ways around it.....I believe none here has a 'magic wand'. Nobody ever told me what the tricks are, but looks there is more than one out there.

I think I learned about two ways:1 by reading everything about it on the internet and the other I came across reading the posts. To this day I am not 100% sure if I got it right.. All I know is that one 'trick' I tried and is not working for me or I wouldn't keep on getting 21 day holds any more...and the other I never used yet, so I don't know if it works or not. I guess we find out by trial and error...........

Does anyone ever send payments from one paypal acct to another one that doesn't hold accounts?

yes, Ive done that in small amounts ok, but I need to know about larger amounts as I got a hold for that once due to suspicious activity and it got reversed (back to me!) !

Oomp, what do you consider a "small amount?" Are you talking $100-$200?

guys just ship the item and play by the rules of pp. Enter tracking numbers and u be fine.

No,

This will not work. You can send it as service/other, just make a store up. "thanks for the software next time i will pay in advance'' or something like that. This is what i always do, work fine for me.

yes sent about $200 ok quite often, did one for $600, but got limited .

know it costs fees but say you have one ebaypaypal with no bank attached and another ebaypaypal with bank, you could buy your own listing or is that worse?

Don't tell bear nothing, he is paypal employee spy from what I heard.

whose to say who the spy is. Any of us could be paypal spys...

Just because someone wants to know something that doesn't make them a spy.

I really would like to know the same thing. I have hundreds of dollars on-hold, the "trick" doesn't work for me any longer. Now what?

I have no idea what to do anymore.

I would also like to know, but it's not a good idea to post any "tricks" here, as you can see what happened to all the others. :croc:

Alot of us are in the same predicament (s/p?). However, I really don't think this 21 day hold thing will last long. Its extremely ridiculous and I don't think Paypal will be able to survive with it. They will lose massive amounts of users with this. Just wait and see...

I just read an article advising people with holds to call Paypal to have them released once the items are delivered. Do you know how many calls a day paypal will get on this? This won't last long.

Paypal's system needs to be automated and linked to UPS and USPS to release funds as soon is an item is scanned and delivered at the buyers home. Sometimes paypal doesn't release funds until 2-3 days after delivery.

I don't know.
PayPal states the following:

"We hold payments when we suspect a transaction may be risky."

They hold every payment what I receive. Even if it's only $8. Is that possible that all of my transactions are risky?

No, you need to understand their definition of "risky." Risky to paypal is any new account (less than 6 months old) with no established feedback or DSR ratings.

Look through the help section on paypal's site about the hold. They have the requirements on there so you know when you will stop getting the holds. They have been posted here before also. I believe HWGA posted them in a thread. Funds are released 3 days after the item has been received also.

Hah mine are all shipped. I dont get the money still even after 3 days. Dont know why.....

Well after about 14 days they start getting released tho...

Dont worry I have alot of money on hold too. What to do? Get out of paypal!