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I can confirm what Lyda said works perfectly! I posted about it a few posts up. :D
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Ok, ebay is verifying city and zip or street and zip? Those that done this successfully please be clear. When a credit card gets an approval my understanding is they verify zip code and the number portion of your address only. This is do to the variations and abbreviations that can exist in a full address. For example 123 Smith St. or Street. AVS would never match up so they take only the numeric portion and verify that.

So my impulse is using the numbers from your address such as the 123 example i gave with any street in your zip code and we will be fine.

But lets hear from the experts and those that have lived it, lol. I need more accounts and piece of mind!
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This is true for AVS and plain old ordinary credit cards. If you happen to have a bank issued credit card or if you are using a visa/mc check card, it may be different. Most banks handle the authorization as just zip and street.

PP may not be using the AVS system for checking. They may have switched to a different system in the past week, with the intention of plugging the GAPING hole in AVS. See this for more info. You will see that AVS is not a universal thing. Be advised that there are several other options available for cc verification. Not all cards are subject to being AVS'd, so if PP used AVS and the card was a non-AVSable type, it would return as a FAIL even if everything was in fact kosher. Quite a few gift cards were non-AVSable. That's why some cards NEVER worked for stealth.

At least one of the credit cards I have goes further. The name must match. If a merchant or say PP did AVS on it, without submitting for name comparison, it would FAIL. Thus, I guarantee that this card would be unusable for stealth purposes.

Understand that when I say 'bank issued', I don't mean banking institution such as chase, citi, or boa. I mean issued from your branch or application initiated by your branch from an in-person application. These aren't the kind of cards that the average consumer would get. Not the kind you apply for by mail.

Example without being entirely specific: I go into my local branch and talk to my financial manager. We determine it wise for me to have a separate card issued for a specific type of transactions. I complete an application that is not industry standard. My manager phones in for provisioning, pulls a fresh card out of a vault, puts it in a machine which raises the letters for my name and card number etc, then encodes the card while I am standing there. The kind of card you can use to buy a car or even real estate. It has the Visa logo on it. It swipes like any other Visa. But for online transactions (and many POS transactions), it verifies the cardholder name and street address and zip and CVN on the back.

Many Discover cards do the name check too. Unless you use the VCC option of Discover.

About 1 in 10 Visa check cards and debit cards will do the name check as well. I don't know about MC or AMEX. Sorry.

Check cards are not exactly credit cards, even though they have the same logo. Most work just like a credit card. But not all. Some do get processed slightly different than the plain old stand-alone credit card us old farts are used to.

You are almost certainly correct about ebay taking the easy route and just blocking by institution prefix. For Visa and MC, the prefix is only the first 4 digits. 4128 would be citi visa, 5424 would be citi mc, for example. 6011 is Discover.

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AVS only can check zip code and street number. That's all it does.

Credit cards will not release cardholder info to merchants without the cardholder being on the phone at the same time.

For blocking prepaid cards, eBay probably is blocking bank identification numbers, the 6 digits that a card starts with. I am sure there's at least a card or two that eBay forgot to block. I very much doubt it came from eBay reading this forum and more likely because it's very common knowledge to use prepaid cards to get back on eBay.

So far I am still able to pay my eBay fees with prepaid cards, though.

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Well Address Verification System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia shows that American Express can check your name. I'm pretty sure that's not very foolproof and even authorize.net doesn't bother with that at all.

But with normal credit cards you got card code and AVS. You might also get 3D Secure (Verified by Visa) if you signed up for that. Other than that, no such methods exist that I know of.

eBay most likely just looked around for prepaid cards and blocked bank identification numbers of them.
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That is what I was clarifying. AVS and NORMAL CREDIT CARDS are mainly digits of street address and zip code.

Check cards and debit cards are NOT credit cards. Most are treated as credit cards, but not all. So, anyone wondering about using their check or debit card NEEDS to be aware that the possibility DOES exist for name comparison. In most cases, it would not be an issue.

And the cardholder does NOT have to be on the phone for the card issuer to confirm a name request when asked verbally or electronically. Card issuers will confirm ANY information that would be visible on the card without delay. They will not reveal other personal data which is not visible on the card.

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Does entropay still work and how about those card's earlt sold. Will these method's work.
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And the cardholder does NOT have to be on the phone for the card issuer to confirm a name request when asked verbally or electronically. Card issuers will confirm ANY information that would be visible on the card without delay. They will not reveal other personal data which is not visible on the card.

Have you ever called them? I have and they refuse to say anything but read a scripted form letter.
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I have owned more than one brick and mortar in the past 20 years. I've verbally called in 1000's of times, in addition to electronic card checking via POS terminal. I have never ever had a CC company NOT provide confirmation IMMEDIATELY and without question. Being that my taxicab company operated out of Detroit, you can bet that I checked just about every card if it involved more than 20 bux. I also owned a computer store back in the 90's. Checked CCs for major purchases, as well. So, I speak what I *KNOW*, not what I guess. And AVS is crap. We never relied on it.
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I know a prepaid card that works, pm me.
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In line with Sowhats comments, if the issue is only when signing up with ebay, why not just link the bank account as that is an option. I was initially in a panic when I saw Simon no longer worked with ebay, but then said wait a minute, I don't recall giving ebay my credit card number at setup. Only paypal. What am I missing. Is the problem with adding the card to paypal when opening the paypal account?
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The gift cards still work on paypal if you want to open a paypal account. I added one yesterday and it worked fine. The problem is that ebay is no longer accepting the gift cards when you want to create a seller account. It has to be an real credit card or debit card.
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But many prepaids are dead to VERIFY the PP now. Some still work, but many do not. Of the ones that do, let us speak softly and not openly.
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I'm not sure eBay got their list from this forum. They might have gotten it because they've got ten thousand accounts that have been using the cards. However, if it's publicized on this forum, then all those sellers will be using the cards. On the other hand, even if it's not publicized here, sellers not even on this forum will eventually try cards until one isn't blocked and then everyone will be using it until eBay blocks it.
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Yeah, but it should be kept in the subscriber area at the very least. Why make it harder on ourselves?
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Has anyone attempted to use graphcard.com?
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AVS only can check zip code and street number. That's all it does.

Credit cards will not release cardholder info to merchants without the cardholder being on the phone at the same time.

For blocking prepaid cards, eBay probably is blocking bank identification numbers, the 6 digits that a card starts with. I am sure there's at least a card or two that eBay forgot to block. I very much doubt it came from eBay reading this forum and more likely because it's very common knowledge to use prepaid cards to get back on eBay.

So far I am still able to pay my eBay fees with prepaid cards, though.

Im not 100% sure about this but my banks giftcards and debit cards have the same 6 BIN #s so if they blocked them they would block legit people who uses there debit cards to pay there fees.

I will buy one from my bank and test it out


Also its best to keep the identy of the working cards a seceret cause there are ebay and paypal spys useing this site and they WILL report any findings back to there masters and they WILL block them from working.

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^^^^^thats what I was thinking.
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Also its best to keep the identy of the working cards a seceret cause there are ebay and paypal spys useing this site and they WILL report any findings back to there masters and they WILL block them from working.

It's also going to help if you stop posting in nearly every thread about the bleeding spies. Anything super-sensitive should be done by pm in any case.
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Anything super-sensitive should be done by pm in any case.
I would'nt even do it in pm cause they are there just as much as in the fourms cause i had a few others try to buy accounts from me sence the first attempt failed.
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Ran into this issue today! someone PM me a prepaid card that still works. My accounts all over different zip codes and my debit cards are only for the zip code that i live in... So can't use that....
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Ok, exactly where are we having the issue in the stealth process? We need to know the exact situation in order to overcome it. When signing up for an ebay seller account you can verify by bank account if I remember correctly, so no credit card is needed.

So the only place I can think this issue is occurring is when getting your expanded use number from paypal. However I used Simon cards the get expanded use numbers for two accounts successfully this week after reading how they stopped working. I was selling on these accounts but had not yet lifted limits on them. Why did it work for me?

I understand and agree about being discreet about cards that may still be working, but for me Simon worked. Both times. Neither account were for my real zip code.

I just want to make sure we are not jumping the gun on being shut down with existing gift cards.
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