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How To Remove 21 Day Holds on Payments
 

I just noticed when you get a ebay feedback score of 30+ ....paypal will clear all payments from there on..

I just started a brand new pp acct and using a seller acct with 30+ feedback rating.... I started selling and all payments are cleared... before all my payments were on a 21 day hold..

You can also read it on ebays site.... After a certain amount of feedback scores.. paypal is not requirement to sell on ebay... meaning that payments will clear with no issues....its all about your feedback score!

This has been known for a long time! Do some reading on the forum. :shocked:

hahaha... its ok if u are outdate. :D

this thread is meant for those who just dont understand why payments are being placed on hold..... some sellers start to sell after 5 feedbacks and some after 15 feedbacks and payments are still being placed on hold.....

Its just some insight for those who dont know and wonder why.

There is no exact statistic. Typically it is based on DSR score. 20 DSR above 4.5 is the rule. Or 100 +fb (not 30). So, you are cleared by the DSR, I have no doubt, instead of the FB you are thinking.

This does not prevent rolling reserve hold which can strike anywhere at any time to anyone for any reason regardless of who you are or your DSR or your feedback or your powerseller status. If they RR you, it is what it is. From this day forward, I dub the Paypal Rolling Reserve to be henceforth known by me to be the PP Rick Roll.

Also, they do break their own rules, so 1000000000 positive DSR and 800 b'zillion FB does not guarantee that you will not get 21 day holds. It's only a guideline.

Stop guessing what might happen. You never can tell.

I think it varies on a per person or account basis.

I have 2 accounts brand new. On 1 of them, 1st 3 sales had no holds while next 6 all were held.

Other account, very 1st sale and next 10 all 21-day hold.

These are both (0) feedback brand new accounts at the time but as soon as feedback was recieved, holds were lifted.

Be nice if it was easy to figure out paypals determining factors for this and many other things

I would think it has more to do with the PP person who is checking the account. One staffer might be in a good mood, while another might be in a bad mood. Since two identical accounts can be treated vastly different, the account itself can be ruled out of the equation. There really is no sure way to make sense of many things PP does. You and I can make reasonable guesses, but I promise that a correct guess will still get screwed-off by 'the man' some day some time for somebody.

I got 42 postive seller feedbacks and all holds stopped. It does work. :pound::pound::pound:

Check to see if you have 20 DSR. Then read the PP terms regarding holds. 100 +FB OR 20 +DSR whichever comes first.

There is no rule with paypal and anything is possible at any time, to anyone, like Vic said. Sometimes I think that agents are allowed certain freedoms in managing accounts as they please. Paypal certanly does not want general public to figure them out. So I agree, things and limitations and extent of investigations can depend on what mood the agent handling account is that day. They must love reading our posts about them!

So your saying that if I get one account with 30+ positive feedback and 20+DSR, I can add another Ebay ID to that account and it will avoid the 21 day hold?

^^^^No. Not at all. Show me the quote where that is said.:ranger:

What can/does/will happen is that the second account may attract holds even with meeting the criteria. It's paypal. That's the way they work. No freebies with them:fight:

It's totally arbitrary. eBay member since 2002. 500+ positive feedback ratings. No negatives ever. DSR 4.9. The only thing that has been different of late is that I've not let my money sit in my PayPal account for as long a time. I guess they intend to sit on it one way or another.

There are indeed a number of variables that need to be considered and seemingly no hard and fast rules.

BUT to minimise the risk of holds long term (and limitation short term) you need to:

1. Age your account past 30 days AND start slow with small low value items. Sell a few items, wait for feedback then sell some more. You can sell from day 1 with these.

2. Get your DSR score past 20, with an avarage of at least 4.8 in all areas. You should be aiming to pass 50+ before your sales take off!

3. No negatives, neutrals, 1 or 2 star Ebay ratings or Paypal disputes (if you do get a dispute deal with it immediately before it becomes a claim) in these early stages of account building.

4. No VERO or any thing that is likely to get you reported or cause an Auto takedown.

And it is not enough to know the stealth book back to front. You also need to understand Ebay/PayPal and their TOS. It amazes me that people still don't understand the feedback system and DSRs.... Not to mention those who post here not understanding why they get repeated Ebay violations/suspensions when they are quite clearly breaching Ebay TOS.

Know the seller dashboard and understand the rating percentages!

CaptainJack

a number of things can cause payments to be on hold... This isnt an exact science, paypal does what it wants to do because they can

paypal and ebay have teamed up and made selling on ebay a complete nightmare...

If they want to hold your money, they will.

^^^:nono: user, keep your fantasies about paypal doing bad things away from here.I'll wash your mouth out with soap if I read that stuff again ;)

I almost never get any holds on accounts even with 0 feedback. Maybe the first 2-3 transactions, and the next 50 no holds.

There is no point in trying to understand the rules to keep this from happening to you. The published criteria are essentially meaningless. You don't get to define terms such as "High Risk", "Sales Spike" "Fragile" etc., they do.
This system certainly wasn't created to keep people out of it and it most certainly isn't targeted toward those who are committing fraud. The "middleman" gets a cut no matter what.
If this hasn't happened to you yet, it will.

There is every point. Some of us have had great success!

CaptainJack

I'm not trying to suggest that you don't learn the rules of the game or that you try to ignore them. That would only put any seller in an even more precarious position. I'm also not suggesting people leave eBay. I'm not. In fact, I have numerous auctions closing in this coming week and am in the process of posting even more. I've done quite well in these past months. I will adapt and go on.
I do suggest people understand the direction eBay is being taken. Casual sellers and small business are not seen as part of the company's future..

I usually let my accounts age 3-4 months before I even use them and I get no holds on anything.

Definitely isn't an exact science. On my clean, real account, I have:
40+ dsr, all 4.9s and 5.0s
100+ feedback, 100% feedback
eBay account is 4 years old and PayPal is about 10 months now.

But I've been getting 21 day holds. Why?
Probably because I cleared my account immediately after getting money and did daily instant transfers so I can get money for a bank promotion.

here is my experiences with the 21 day hold.

about 2 months ago I open up a stealth paypal and ebay. Keep in mind I'm new at this but followed the stealth guide.

I follow all the major steps and do my best on the others. I let the account age about 20 days while buying a few items and get a few feedback. lol. by a few I mean around 2 LOL. I sell an item, its a heavily vero'd item as far as Ive read.. think beachbody.. it sells I get the payment of around 50 dollars. 21 day hold on the payment no biggie knew it was coming.

Fast forward about 4 weeks and I've sold a few more items and Ive got payments around the 50 dollar mark, all being held 21 days. About 5 days later after another sale or two, I realize I have to update ebay and paypal with the status of shipping, I didn't know I had to do it on paypal, I thought just ebay. So, I go into my paypal account and mark all previous sales as shipped, around 6 items. BOOM 3 or 4 holds automatically come off, with the oldest item being around 10 days. I didnt use paypal to buy postage and neither paypal or ebay had tracking information for the items. very wierd.

Fast forward about 5-6 weeks now, Ive been selling a 5 items a week or so and taking payments, all payments are being held, I'm now using paypal to print postage and I'm shipping quite quickly within 24 hours. I keep getting payments but they are all being held.

Jump ahead 7-8 weeks, I'm now up to just under 10 feedback 100% positive (why can't more then 30% of people leave feedback!) Today I sell my largest $$$ wise item and get the payment, is it held? NO. it was about $110. I never sold anything 3 figures before. What can I draw out of this? I don't know.

I hope this post helps someone

You always say things but you never explain how or why... not really nice of you...:(

Well, for me i started a new stealth paypal/ebay account 3 weeks ago. Both are brand new and on the second day I sold a high VeRO item for about ~$400. It was placed on hold for 21 days. I shipped the item right away and buyer received 3 days later. I waited 3 days before calling paypal and asking them if they can remove the hold becuase the item was delivered, and they did remove the hold. My buyer never left me any feedback still, and so I have 0 feedback. Yesterday i sold the exact same item for about another $400 and this time no hold. I dont understand how this can be. I have 0 feedback and the account is 3 weeks old.

I guess I am never ever going to figure Paypal out.

I always thought that it was either after FB was left or 21 days after delivery confirmation, whichever comes first.
Is your PP verified? If not how are you going to get $800 out in the very first month?

Yes my Paypal is verified. I withdrew $330 after my first purchase, and am kind of scared to do the same now. Do you suggest i withdraw between $100-$200 today and then wait a couple days and do the same?

So you sold $800 in a week on a 3 week old eBay account and paypal account and no limitation!? Consider yourself very fortunate! :)
What category did you sell in anyways?

No, I sold $400 the first week - with hold.
sold $400 the third week - no hold. With 0 feedback

personal account
I agree with your stamen as i recently had two accounts and on the fist i clocked up 150 feed back over 3 months stated selling the first day i opened it with items valuing from £30 to £800 and the bast selling item was selling at around £300.00 and the £800.00 item i had 3 sales on the 4 and 5th day of opening the account, i am still using this account now and its not that old .

prem account
also the second account went to around 43 feedback, only the last sale was held up over the 21 day thing and all the sale was for the £300 item .


and the are all high risk vero (or what ever it is ) items .

i never seem to run into the 21 day problem when i open a personal pp account and ebay sellers.

My last ebay experience my account was under 30 days old, I just had to get 20 DSR ratings and my payments would not have a hold anymore.

Getting holds on every BIN auction on a new 2 week account, 1 day auction I get no holds at all. As soon as feedback was received the holds are being removed within hours.

I have believed for Quite some time that Paypal has a Very Complex AUTOMATED System that determines How Account Holds are Managed, and Most other Account Dynamics as well.
I believe that the System is Regionalized, and Factors in an Astounding Number of The Accounts facts, from Where the account was first Created from, All Known IP Addresses Associated with the account, Frequency of Account Login's, Account Login times, as well as Phone Numbers (Who Issued the Number is a Simple Lookup), Addresses, Names and Name Variations, Bank Accounts, Possibly Banks Physical Location in Relation to Accounts Address (Bank account number gives them that info), Debit/Credit card (Who Issued the Card)ANY Possible Links to other Accounts, as well as What you are selling, what Catagories, what SPECIFIC items, Frequency, and MUCH, MUCH More.

This information gives the Paypal "Bots" a Series of "Scores" and based on these Scores the Bots act as Programed.

I Believe that the system is so Complicated and takes so Much information into consideration that from the outside looking in (As we are) it looks "Random"

I Base this on some "Simple" Numbers, Paypal has about 1800 Employee's, as filed with the Securities Exchange Commision, (SEC Oversees the Stock Market), there have been 200,000,000 Paypal Accounts created in the last 15 years or so, How many have been Suspended is NOT Important, this means that There are Well over 1,000,000 accounts created PER MONTH----I can see NO WAY 1800 Employee's Can Review all those accounts, I may be Wrong, but I doubt it

This all seems to make sense, but yet why do some people with 100% stealth info accounts seems to get around the limits

I believe so too. I have always suspected its quit similar to a credit score. Some things give points. Some things remove points. Somethings are worth lots of points and some are quit minor. Dozens or even more factors help create the score. Every single thing you do, no mater how simple is scored in some way. Not just 5 or 6 major areas. And All add/subtract from your score - Said score is what determines everything that happens and what you can and can not do with your account. A high enough score and you go unmolested. It gets too low and you get holds and limits

I think it is MUCH More Complicated than a Credit score.

Credit scores simply refelect how you Handled debit in your PAST in relation to your Earnings for Possible credit in the Future.
All this based on information Provided by Trustworthy, Accredited, Corporations.

Here Paypal is trying to Determine things like Trust, which is MUCH More Difficult Based on Information YOU Provide a Source that Paypal CANNOT Assume is Trustworthy.

Absolutely. I was just using the comparison as to more points, more leeway

I think everything you do is taken into account. Even something as simple as how long it takes to set up account and even pages you visit on site. But yes, I would guess its extremely complex for sure

I take that statement back, I just sold the same item and got a hold this time. I'm starting to think the hold thing is random!

Also depends on what you are selling - Slapped has affirmed this before.

Could it be an issue with paying via CC, Bank, Paypal balance or Paypal CC? Has anyone tried this experiment?