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JEM 06-16-2010 06:44 AM

working from 2 computers?
 
I have been selling on ebay for 8 years, and most of the time it was my full time /sole source of income - so yes I have been making a living on ebay.
Until yesterday.
I do not sell vero problem items., my main problem is shipping time / people did not like their item - really neutral things to me , I was fine for years until the recent DSR etc etc clampdown.
I did try and spread my losses by opening a few accounts , and this kind of worked for a while , but I did not know ebay links accounts and now got zapped everywhere.

Am I really glad I found this site as I was ready to hang myself yesterday.

My questions are - I have 2 laptops- would splitting up the stealth accounts over the 2 laptops be helpful from an IP point of view? Say 2 linked accounts on one , then 2 linked stealth accounts on another?

second question. I can open a bank account and use my B/F;s phone and address, but we got zapped once before because I was doing ebay once at his house from his laptop. I don't want to create a new account only to just get it shut down right off?

BTW - I just pulled an all nighter reading stealth, so I am kind of familiar with the just of things

WISH I HAD KNOWN THAT BEFORE!!!
thanks anyone for your help.

tenggo 06-16-2010 07:01 AM

read the stealth book again...
you dont need 2 computers, just use different user accounts on a computer and change your ip every time you switch between them

JEM 06-16-2010 08:48 AM

thx, i do se that now. Will need to reread a few times. Just feeling crazed right now , as its so fresh

aking 06-16-2010 09:16 AM

Yea, you have to read it a few times for it to really sink in. I probably read the stealth book over 10 times.

metroline 06-22-2010 11:07 PM

Using different user may not be safe now. I have been doing this for one year, but all ebay begins to link up my accounts under different window users.

NTP 06-22-2010 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metroline (Post 146742)
Using different user may not be safe now. I have been doing this for one year, but all ebay begins to link up my accounts under different window users.

I haven't read anything about linking between user accounts. What makes you think that they have found a way to do that? How do you know that they have become "Linked"?

healthnut88 06-23-2010 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metroline (Post 146742)
Using different user may not be safe now. I have been doing this for one year, but all ebay begins to link up my accounts under different window users.

Can you explain a little more about this? Thanks.

slapped 06-23-2010 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metroline (Post 146742)
Using different user may not be safe now. I have been doing this for one year, but all ebay begins to link up my accounts under different window users.


Sounds to me like, you might have logged into different Ebay accounts, with different Windows User Accounts, but with the Same IP Address, I know errors like that happen All the time

I Personally am NOT having any Problems currently and am running Multiple User Accounts.

Anyone else with this problem?

metroline 06-23-2010 09:39 PM

I use different IP for different accounts under different windows user. This works well for one year, and now my old accounts began to be hit by something like seller information update one by one. They all went down.

All new ebay id I created was hit by MC010 in around 10 minitues. Faxing photo ID will not help. There is something new going on with EBAY. They must have started looking into something else than just the IP and cookies.

slapped 06-23-2010 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metroline (Post 147015)
I use different IP for different accounts under different windows user. This works well for one year, and now my old accounts began to be hit by something like seller information update one by one. They all went down.

All new ebay id I created was hit by MC010 in around 10 minitues. Faxing photo ID will not help. There is something new going on with EBAY. They must have started looking into something else than just the IP and cookies.

What Operating Syatem are you Using? Also, What Web Browser?

pod 06-23-2010 11:10 PM

If they are doing something new like hardware or something, this is a very bad thing.

kind of scary. There are so many variables. But my brain is not as big as some folks here. My 1st thought is if there is any validity to this, maybe network cards/mac address. I cant think of anything else they could reasonably look at.... If Amazon can look as deep... :(

jbluntz 06-23-2010 11:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by metroline (Post 146742)
Using different user may not be safe now. I have been doing this for one year, but all ebay begins to link up my accounts under different window users.

Sounds like you're not clearing your flash objects, from what I heard flash objects have been known to leak into other windows users. Try using better privacy with firefox.

pod 06-23-2010 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbuntz (Post 147046)
Sounds like you're not clearing your flash objects, from what I heard flash objects have been known to leak into other windows users. Try using better privacy with firefox.

Does not cleaning flash too often put up a flag? I was under the assumption its preferred to leave flash and cookies in place on each user account.

jbluntz 06-23-2010 11:40 PM

It's preffered to leave cookies but flash can be cleared every time before and after you log in it's what I do.

metroline 06-24-2010 12:28 AM

I use firefox. I haven't installed any adode flash plugin. So basically there is no such flash object in my computer.

jbluntz 06-24-2010 01:06 AM

There's also DOM storage objects which ,along with flash, are known as the super cookies that can leak, you gotta get those super cookies.

EFIL4OREV 06-24-2010 03:04 AM

What are DOM storage objects?

jbluntz 06-24-2010 03:06 AM

Super cookies, just google it.

EFIL4OREV 06-24-2010 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbuntz (Post 147080)
Super cookies, just google it.

read this about it

Super Cookies Lurk in Your Browser – The Blogs at HowStuffWorks

its basically saying that there just flash cookies...???

jbluntz 06-24-2010 03:36 AM

I meant google DOM storage objects, not super cookies flash is one of them but there's other stuff too. Try this one:

Introduction to DOM Storage

EFIL4OREV 06-24-2010 03:46 AM

after reading the link you put up for like five seconds it says that these DOM objects were introduced into IE 8. Would this mean just using an older version would avoid having to deal with DOM objects? This would arouse suspicion with ebay tho wouldn't it?......any way, back to that article to read more!

jbluntz 06-24-2010 03:51 AM

I don't know I'm not the tin man all I know is I use "better privacy" with firefox and it removes DOM storage as well as some other stuff and it works for me.

EFIL4OREV 06-24-2010 04:18 AM

Does Better privacy just deal with DOM storage and not flash and normal cookies?

jbluntz 06-24-2010 04:35 AM

It deals with flash dom and some other stuff not regular cookie dough, I mean cookies though haha.

EFIL4OREV 06-24-2010 04:47 AM

I really doubt ebay would be using these so called DOM cookies. I prefer to keep my cookies/flash cookies so they trust me more but if you can just use this "better privacy" program to delete DOM cookies then yeah ill give it a burl.

jbluntz 06-24-2010 04:54 AM

I don't know why you would want to keep flash cookies as well, ebay's not a person, keeping regular cookies just makes for easier navigation, sometimes I delete all cookies and it has no effect on my account whatsoever.

oge 06-24-2010 09:24 AM

I can say that I'm not a FF guy and I've had some accounts go down while other account go unaffected. I heard that alot of linking was based on FF plugins. I'm just saying from my experience I never delete any cookies use different user accounts and always different ips.I always keep the cookies because it lessens the change of logging into the wrong account.

I always sell things around the house and all of my accounts were created last year and all are going strong to this day some have a few transactions some have alot and some have none because I list and it never sold. So I don't know what other people is doing but I haven't created anymore accounts this year so that might be something I might try.

pod 06-24-2010 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbuntz (Post 147046)

flash objects have been known to leak into other windows users.

Could this maybe be when you switch users but don't completely log off the other user? Just switching users is quicker than logging off, but other user profile is running in background somewhat. I have switched users without logging off before and when I go back the user I wasn't using had downloaded email. So there is activity. So maybe a good idea to completely log one user off before changing users and IP?

slapped 06-24-2010 10:26 AM

A while back I posted some information about "Browser Fingerprinting" that Amazon was Experminting with, Browser fingerprinting is starting to get Really Popular, It is Quite possible that Ebay is Now begining to Test it as well.

Here is some Information on Browser Fingerprinting:

How your Web browser rats you out online

Browser Fingerprinting Can ID You Without Cookies - PCWorld

Here is a Possible Defense against Browser Fingerprinting:

Panopticlick | Self-Defense

pod 06-24-2010 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slapped (Post 147148)

"Browser Fingerprinting"

I was thinking about using chrome on one account and firefox for another.

Both dif users and IP naturally. Any thoughts on chrome?

oge 06-24-2010 03:27 PM

Nice info on that post slapped. I read alot of those websites pertaining to this kind of info. I like this one paragraph:

Even the attempt to go stealthy could paradoxically make one more unique, and thus easier to track.


Quote:

Originally Posted by slapped (Post 147148)
A while back I posted some information about "Browser Fingerprinting" that Amazon was Experminting with, Browser fingerprinting is starting to get Really Popular, It is Quite possible that Ebay is Now begining to Test it as well.

Here is some Information on Browser Fingerprinting:

How your Web browser rats you out online

Browser Fingerprinting Can ID You Without Cookies - PCWorld

Here is a Possible Defense against Browser Fingerprinting:

Panopticlick | Self-Defense


slapped 06-24-2010 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pod (Post 147217)
I was thinking about using chrome on one account and firefox for another.

Both dif users and IP naturally. Any thoughts on chrome?


I have Actaully read that Chrome is Harder to Fingerprint and track that Either Explorer or firefox, so it might be a Better Option, I am Going to create an account using Linnux Ubuntu and Chrome. I will Post the results

EFIL4OREV 06-25-2010 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbuntz (Post 147092)
I don't know I'm not the tin man all I know is I use "better privacy" with firefox and it removes DOM storage as well as some other stuff and it works for me.

Hey could you link the place you got "Better privacy" from? I have tried to download it but i keep getting some error crap :(

EFIL4OREV 06-25-2010 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slapped (Post 147229)
I have Actaully read that Chrome is Harder to Fingerprint and track that Either Explorer or firefox, so it might be a Better Option, I am Going to create an account using Linnux Ubuntu and Chrome. I will Post the results

What you heard about Opera? I have IE8, Firefox 3.5, Chrome and Opera. I use them between dif accounts.

MtnDew 07-10-2010 04:12 PM

hold on guys...you could be spreading panic here. Im no computer whiz but im pretty sure linking by cookies (flash, regular, or even chocalate chip) cant be spread or seen between other user accounts.

I could be wrong but until the tin hat (vic) says its possible dont get everyone paranoid. I believe the best thing to do is stay as basic as possible... look like everyone else...be a BASIC everyday internet user ;)

MtnDew 07-20-2010 02:33 AM

ka-bump anyone want to weigh in here on the cookie leakage between user accounts?

also the super cookie theory up there...hmmm I believe maybe the government has that type of tech but come on if they used this on the majority of their accounts a good percentage would go down. -profit


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