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That or browser fingerprinting. I've opened a few stealth accounts and each I make gets canned within a few hours. I've noticed that the accounts I made using real info, family members and no Im not actually using these accounts just wanted to test my theory. It seems the accounts I created using real up to date address that match the public database are sticking fine, and the accounts I make with stealth information are not working.

Just hoping for a little group discussion to help pinpoint the problem.

I'm using HMA (i know it's not recommended but it's always worked fine for me)
Im using VMware

Some of these accounts are toast before I even list an item for sale.

Do you think it would be possible that they are starting to suspend any accounts that use an address that doesn't match in public records?

I seriously doubt it, people move around all the time so public records are never 100% up to date.

yeah I know but I just wonder if address not matching public records is enough for them to say we want to talk to you before we allow you to sell.

which is basically what the message keeps saying.

Did you read the stealth guide?

Perhaps they are using matching names to addresses and cracking down.

I know from experience that if an account being created is non stealth it generaly gets 100 items and $5000 a month, the stealth ones generaly just the 10 items and $1000.

I think if there is any doubt now they just kick you off so it has to be good stealth.

I have also noticed that using gmail or hotmail or any of the free email services hinder the account, if you can get access to regular website emails it strengthens your account status, the same goes for credit cards if you use vanilla etc do not think that ebay are stupid, we have been educating them on here for years how to stop us.

So it depends on what credit card you are using, email you are using , does the name match the address, it will all be run through a filter and there are probaly a few more variable like the bank used as well and is the ip address one associated with a vpn provider.

I am not saying that it is impossible but you have to be smart in your choices to be ahead of the game and thats before you start listing.

Good post Degsey - I have been saying exactly this for a long time.

We make this mistake of thinking our workarounds are the final answer when in reality they are a small step along the way.

We have all seen good methods crash and burn because some idiots cannot be educated.

I can see the time fast approaching where an account that has no limits will have an intrinsic value of many hundreds or thousands of dollars purely because it will be virtually impossible to open and run a stealth account with no limits without investing a huge amount of money.

People I work with away from this place are already telling me exactly that.

Stealthers are a minority on Ebay and as such Ebay does not need to implement too much to control us. The information that we share here and that becomes public knowledge will one day, by necessity, become too valuable to share and will belong to a small and select group - possibly the account sellers.

:ranger:

100% all true.

Hate to throw a spanner in the works but one of my recently opened accounts had no selling limits straight off the bat.

Name would not match address on public records
Using Gmail
e/p VCC

New user account, all cookies kept intact.

Other positives were that the IP is static and on landline broadband, also did some buying before selling, only from sellers who sent tracked mail, so the recipient and address are sort of 'confirmed'. Personally I think this makes a big difference.

Some might say it's just the luck of the draw but I never had an issue with getting limits raised either and I reckon you can stack some of the odds in your favour sometimes.

I've had the same experience as the above.

Well I am not saying that ebay is a calculated situation and there are variations that are the exceptions and not the rule.

Have you consider that we don't recommend them for a reason, or reconsider if it has really "worked well" for you?

My first thought exactly!

I second that!

Honestly, I think it's HMA that gave you away. PayPal can easily find the subnet HMA uses and blacklist it. I'm sure you're not the only one that uses HMA as well, so it's always best to find a low-profile VPN provider.

Also, HMA isn't optimal if you care about your privacy:

http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-pr...iously-111007/

Its HMA 100% i have over 15 accounts. 10-30 ives lost and all the ones I made with HMA are down. period case closed. Its HMA period

HMA only have a limited number of ip addresses that they use thats why you dont use them they are all probably flagged, it is reasonable to expect people who get banned for vero may have the same range of ip addresses if using vpn, its only a simple search to find that out.

I dont understand how you can buy items on a stealth address & still receive it??

Simply using entropay to pay for items and having access to the address that you gave e/b and p/p.

Yes but surely if you have multiple accounts you wont have access to all addresses??

Yeah perhaps so, when I buy stuff i use an account which still has my home address which was banned years ago - only difference now is that it has a slight change on the address on the post code area for e.g i had "l" in mine i changed it "i" but in capital letters so it now looks like it's "l" on e/b when in fact it's just a capital i - thats prob the most easiest and cheapest method to go for if you want items to arrive at home, eBay has no idea aswell ha!

Yes I hear wot u r saying, but reading postd today alot of stealth acc are gettin burnt straight off, so would need buying activity also. Any idea how would go about this??

Main reason people are gettin burnt because they start selling straight away usually high risk items aswell :doh: with no history of selling at all and possible linkage to old accounts also.

People need to establish themselves - by buying stuff (no foo foo 1p items) browsing e/b ect... start off slow if you want to last long.

In some cases you don't need to buy stuff however it does help, some people have no access to an address they registered on e/b and they just start selling slowly instead - like used household items which you no longer require - makes you look like a total new guy to e/b having a house clear out. :thumb:

yes this helps...thanks

Good point Thankful.

wot is hma btw??

hide my a$$.

http://www.aspkin.com/forums/ebay-tr...-good-not.html


same same...........

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Horse's mouth indeed.

Listen, I've been dranking and I just want to throw this out there as a "General Rule."

If you make a post that basically says, "IM DOING THE DUMBEST THING POSSIBLE IN THE MOST STUPID WAY POSSIBLE BUT REALLY THATS NOT THE PROBLEM I SWEAR!" then expect to get flamed on these forums.

Lets review:

You are asking us questions, and we are answering them. That means that WE PROBABLY KNOW MORE THAN YOU and you should take our answers as credible. If we tell you black is black, then don't try to tell yourself that if you wish hard enough that if it were red it will be red.

Please sticky this post, because ridiculous BS like this drives me up a wall.