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several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are linked?!
 

Hi,

Thank you in advance to anyone reading this that may be able to help me.

I have recently had 4 paypal accounts blocked within the month with this message.
"Your account access has been limited for the following reason(s):

For reasons relating to the safe use of the PayPal Service we need some more information about you and your account to help confirm your identity.

This limitation cannot be appealed against."

However when i click on the link to provide more informaiton, it says "your account is still limited".

basically it seems like paypal are linking all my accounts together. However I have used the ebay stealth book rules to set these accounts up so i have no idea what's causing the issue. Also i had an account that i had over a year set up with the stealth method, that only got limited when a problematic customer complained and they then asked for ID and ultimately it got permanently limited. Ever since then i have been trying to set up these new accounts which is now the problem i am currently having where none are ok for longer than a week.

I have read many threads and i think this covers everything you need to know : here is the step by step of my procedure:

I have used a different spelling of my own name. A friends address. I use a completely new user account on my laptop so to avoid problems with cookies etc. I switch my router off and on and check on IP burger before logging into different ebay accounts and save IP address on a spreadsheet so i know which ip address i have logged into each ebay account with. I use Entroypay as the card to add. 3 got limited before i even added a bank account, I thought it may be a problem that i didn't add a bank account straight away so the last one i added a prepaid card (cashplus) which has an account number and sort code as my bank account. As the others were limited before even adding a bank account I am not convinced the prepaid account is the issue. It seems like something is tipping them off that it is me setting these accounts up or that they are stealth accounts. The items i was selling were not high risk items - none branded cosmetic sets. £19 each and the last account i only sold 2 of them before it limited with the above message. I also bought a cheap pay as you go mobile as the mobile number to provide to paypal. So the number is also brand new to this account.

Is therefore something I am doing or not doing which is causing these problems ? As i thought I was being so careful :o(

Also i should add that the ebay accounts linked to these are fine. But i can't list anything as a message comes up saying the paypal address used for payment method is not acceptable.

Thanks

Becky

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

Sounds like you are getting linked by flash cookies.

What internet browser are you using to make the accounts?
Do you have any toolbars installed?

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

What are you doing for DOB?

Did all accounts use the same friends address?

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

Mozilla Firefox.
I thought it could be the cookies but they are brand new user accounts on my laptop. One for each ebay / paypal account. I never "cross contominate them" for want of a better phrase. As per the stealth guide I literally name my user account by my ebay user name and that account only gets used for logging into that paypal and ebay account.

Could it be anything else do you think? i have read some comments on threads about paypal checking with credit agencies etc. But then i noticed on one thread it said that wasn't coming in until next year. Could it be that though?

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

Firefox does share information across accounts, its designed this way.

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

Different DOB's. Just invented ones.

Different friends addresses (well one uncle and the rest friends). They live in the same city as me but other than that there is no link to me. Running out of options now, so can't risk attempting to set up another one without knowing what the issue is with them.

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

oh i had no idea. However remembering back to the first one - i had cleared my main account cookies and internet history before i then decided i wouldn't bother going down this method (as its too much hassle every time) and started a new user account on my laptop instead. I have never logged back into the original blocked account since i did this.
Could they therefore just be blocking me because i am trying to have more than one account and its somehow aware of this through my browser, even if they are not linking me to the initial blocked account?

Which browser would you recommend? IE?

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

This is why i use box standard internet explorer.. dont trust any of the others lol

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

Its so frustrating isn't it?! the stealth account i had for a year I used with mozilla firefox. It seems though the goal posts are forever changing. I have never had this amount of trouble though. Usually my issues have been with ebay accounts too. Never with paypal accounts being blocked like this

So do you have seperare user accounts but you use IE instead on each of them? and that doesn't share information?

Thanks again for your help by the way :o)

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

Yes thats what i do.

How do you check the emails?

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

The ebay/paypal emails? to be honest i hadn't had the need to check them as accounts had not lasted long enough to be sent any. When i first opened the ebay and paypal accounts i was logged into my new email set up with gmail.com, but since first opening them i haven't gone back into my emails as only got to a week old and then they were blocked :o(

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

recently paypal changed the rules, now we all have the same problem here.

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

And this is why I said, I will buy a laptops + a dongle for each of my accounts. If the money is there to be made then its worth the investment of £150 for a used laptop and even less for a desktop.

I see u laugh but I dont want be caught off guard.

Wait a minute, hold on though! I thought PayPal said earlier this year they will be suspending two users login from the same computer. If this has not been fully enforced on old accounts as I have two PayPal myself, I will assume they are already implementing this on newly created accounts.

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

Can you clarify the info about PayPal saying they will be suspending users logging in from same computer? I think I've missed something. I've tried searching the forum but can't find it, if it's out there?

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

I am intrigued.

I use all the main browsers, IE, Firefox, Opera, Safari and Chrome across multiple User Accounts.

With no Issues as yet (Touchwood)

Firefox do separate the location of storing Cookies and Flash Cookies.

Cookies:

windows 7 - Firefox 9 or 10 Cookie Location - Super User

Flash Cookies:

Folder location of Flash cookies on Windows Vista - Super User

I am using Windows 8.1 and I have checked carefully. On each instance all browser records and cookies including flash are separated.

I don't think Firefox is the issue in this case.

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

Hi, still new to the forums and this question may have been answered a million times already but I've searched with no luck... when you verify address with a VCC do you then have to verify address again if you add a bank (AVS)? because it seems the only way to make withdrawals is if you add a bank or card.

I've opened stealth accounts before but I literally had to change ALL my information (IP, address where I receive my bank statements, registered a company, name variation, phone number, email address) I still have 2 paypal accounts which I'm afraid to risk but the associated ebay accounts were suspended (for some BS reasons).

How do I get through the bank AVS check and what do I do if PP request ID and proof of address? Any advice would be GREATLY appreciated

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

If it's not firefox, do you have any other ideas what could be causing the linking of the accounts? I thought I was doing everything correctly, but something can't be right.

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

Both firefox and Chrome have sync settings and unless they are all turned off it shares cookies.
The cookies are stored in program files and not the user account folders.

Your choice if you want to risk this really.. But i use Internet explorer with NO toolbars as they can also link as well.

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

So are you saying that using chrome will link you across user accounts?

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

Cookies are NOT stored in program files.

They are stored in each user account separately.

The sync settings are not carried across user accounts.

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

Thanks for clarifying, I soiled my underwear when I read that. Thought it was odd why no one mentioned it before.

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

another account limited! so frustrating. back to the drawing board. Any other ideas would be much appreciated as to what's causing this?

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

ok so each time you get limited you delete the windows user account and make a new one? and your IP address is definitely always different? who is your ISP?

What you using for a phone number?

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

Maybe its you using a varaition of your name. I did this when I first started and got limitations. Once they catch on if you keep doing the same name with a varation they can catch on. Honestly thats the only thing it could be at this point if your doing everything else correctly? You shouldn't be getting a limitation so quickly.

Anyone know if safari is ok? :eek:

I didn't know about this cross contamination that could be happening with my accounts....

I've been using it for a while but would hate to have this issue.

(I have a seperate user in my macbook pro for each account. I only use safari because I like it...)

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

Walk us though your account creation method, step by step...

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

I can only stress again, Firefox store cookies in the User accounts section.

Here is my direct path for the Profile and Cookies on Windows 8.1 with the User Name masked.

C:\Users\xxxxxx\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Pr ofiles\xxxxxxxx

And Flash Cookies:

C:\Users\xxxxxx\AppData\Roaming\Macromedia\Flash Player\#SharedObjects

Sharing this information across multiple User Accounts would be a serious Privacy invasion.

It does not happen.

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

Another point is that many on here user multiple Browsers across multiple User Accounts for Amazon which is especially useful.

I use IE, Firefox, Chrome and Opera.

They all store information isolated from other User Accounts.

On Windows 8.1, you have to go into Folder Options and view all files to locate the Appdata folder.

In Windows 8.1 you then go to the Roaming folder.

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

This is freaky, I use firefox too, what about earlier windows , windows 7,is it still safe?

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

I use several Cyberfox portable browsers on my desktop I have had no problems as of yet as all of the cookies ect
are stored in the portable folder not in your C drive, just change my ip when going to each different account.

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

Yes, I do similar. I use firefox portable and have had 2 accounts limited in the last two days. New IP each time I logon to that user account and no common or slight variations on data.

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

Differences from Mozilla Firefox

Firefox Portable retains all of Mozilla Firefox's abilities such as extensions and automatic updating. Modifications to reduce the number of writes to the flash drive have also been added. The web cache and browser history were previously disabled under the release of 2.0. Firefox Portable's ability to delete cookies and the download history on exit is not enabled by default, as per a licensing agreement with Mozilla.

Personal settings, bookmarks, and any installed extensions and themes are stored on the flash drive along with Firefox Portable. This allows the user to move from computer to computer without losing application settings. Plugins such as Flash and Shockwave cannot be installed to Portable Firefox in the usual sense, but the plug in files can be copied from a local installation to the appropriate portable folder.[3]

It looks like Portable version is not good to Stealth.
Correct me if i am wrong...

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

If you're using firefox portable you need to make sure you disable flash in Global Flash Settings,, if you havent gone near this then that is exactly why you are having issues.

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

You are wrong, if it's setup properly and the user knows how to work with it, it is fine. If you don't it can be catastrophic for stealth!

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

Flash was disabled for each instance of FireFox portable at the Macromedia settings site.

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

Hi. Going by the path to profile and cookies above.. I reached this place on my desktop BUT dont know what to delete..
>> User \appdata\ roaming\ mozilla \ firefox \profiles \oolyvxx.default

http://s30.postimg.org/4dr6ify35/cookie.jpg

2. Once I follow this path to delete the shared objects, does that mean I have removed Beacons and flash cookies on my system? Otherwise, could you supply the path to remove flash cookies and Beacons too.

C:\Users\xxxxxx\AppData\Roaming\Macromedia\Flash Player\#SharedObjects

Many thanks in advance guys

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

1. The Folder which you have labelled A contains your profile and cookies. You can delete this and a new profile should be created again on startup.
Bare in mind this will delete bookmarks and all other stored and saved info so be careful.

2. Yes that should do it. Bare in mind Beacons are also used in emails sent to you as well.

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

By way of an update, the ebay accounts that the limited paypal accounts were taking deposits from have now had selling restrictions imposed until the issue with paypal is resolved. I hadnt linked the accounts.

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

It's a sad evolution on the eB accounts then - the whole mess should be let go

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

Hi, apologies for the delay responding. I have been away for a few days. ok, so step by step of my last account made :

set up a new user account on my laptop. I have started using internet explorer as opposed to firefox. So i opened a new ebay account using stealth address and name (i used to use variations of my own name but as they all got limited, i have started using a completely different name). Date of birth also random.

I bought a cheap pay as you go mobile and use that for mobile number.

I use entropay and created a new card. I then use this for paypal account.

I have not linked a bank account yet.

I have a spreadsheet to log the ip addresses I have used. When i log into a new paypal or ebay account i switch my router off and on and this generates a new IP address and I do this prior to logging into the relevant user account for the ebay/paypal account I am logging into. (I have completely seperate user accounts per each ebay account as advised in the stealth guide).

I don't sell high risk items. I was only selling a £20 item every few days. It seems to get to 1-2 weeks maximum and then the account gets limited by somehow being linked to my other accounts. There is absolutely no similarities other than city of the address. Absolutely stumped as to what it could be. Any ideas?

Thanks in advance for any advice. FYI, I am female and not very computer minded, however i am doing everything (I think) as per the stealth guide but obviously something can't be right unless ebay has some new fancy way of linking accounts. But if so surely everybody's stealth accounts would be down the toilet?!

Re: several blocked paypal accounts. Followed Stealth rules. Unsure how they are link
 

Hi, yes always brand new user account. I am with SKY as my internet provider. Defo IP address always different as I check IP burger website before logging in.

Phone is a EE pay as you go mobile.

Not sure if this is any clue, but on one of my last account when i requested after a month higher selling allowances, it asked me to confirm the user id, email address and phone number of another ebay selling account i have?! It says once i confirmed the details they would send me a pin and once entered it would match the limits of the other account. Thought this was really strange?! Then i thought could it be something to do with the random stealth address chosen, maybe there is already an account registered at that address or something?!