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Alleged PayPal scheme nets $115,000, lands Boise man in jail | OregonLive.com


Just read this. 400 accounts in a year. There had to be more to it. This is actually something I do worry about when I open accounts.

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He wasn't too smart when he used his name on all those Bank Accounts....

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This guy is so stupid, I hope he hasn't reproduced.......

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400 Bank Accounts is just Crazy, I'm sure that alone had banks sending reports on him

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K9 Assists in Arrest of Wanted Suspect; Detectives Bust Man after Scheme means Big Losses to PayPal; BPD Daily Incident Report - City of Boise

found this too. haha at least he used a variety of names.

says the bank contacted police. i feel like there has to be more to this. I wonder if he had inside help and jipped them and they went to the police. For them to go to the police seems odd unless someone in the bank knew exactly what he was doing.

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because of idiots like this guy less people buy online and sellers pay high fees, 115k for 400 bank accounts thats so stupid

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Keep in mind to he was reported to "not shipping" the items.

Basically leaving every Paypal account dry and ditching it...

Were legit sellers on here, thats completely different.

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i get that part but how does the bank know that. ive had stealth situations with banks and they have called and if they didnt like what i had to say they just closed the accounts. i just feel like somebody mustve told the bank exactly what he was doing.


haha but the bigger question is how the heck did he get past the 21 day hold so many times. and not get limited.

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Things like that happen from time to time. But it's not possible to compare to our work. Because we just want to stay under the radar and have happy customers that our accounts were not closed or blocked.
The concept of the guy seems to me a complete other thing. He seemed to lure ppl to send money but sending nothing in return.
Bottom line we sometimes work against ebay if they don't want to work with us. This guy worked against his customers. So in my books there's no real compare.

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Because doing "stealth" is not illegal. All we are doing is breaking eBay/paypal policy.

Leaving a negative balance in a paypal account with your bank account attached IF repeated patterns like this guy then yes its a federal issue. Obviously 400 is a pattern. There has to be a strong reason to devote time and energy to track someone down like this.

There is absoulety no reason the feds would care if we TAX PAYERS are making a living doing what we do. Stealth done proper is not illeagal, thats the only thing that matters.

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That's an old case from 2013....

Forum was going then though.

:juggle:

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"[...]As PayPal guarantees e-commerce money transfers, the numerous victims were reimbursed by PalPay"

lol Palpay

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That's because paypal is your pal always.

:rolleyes:

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The guy got what he deserved, was simply scamming the system and people like him are the reason fees keep going up. That's not what this forum promotes, stealth done properly is not illegal as sole stated.

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Did you read the computer crime code at the bottom of that article? Holy smoke sounds scary even if you are doing legit biz.

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That can't even be considered remotely close to proper stealth operations - pfft fraud

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Rsot elaborate? It sounds exactly like stealth to me of course im not in Idaho but I am sure the law is similar nationwide

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Computer crime.*(1) Any person who knowingly accesses, attempts to access or uses, or attempts to use any computer, computer system, computer network, or any part thereof for the purpose of: devising or executing any scheme or artifice to defraud; obtaining money, property, or services by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises; or committing theft; commits computer crime.

It says any person who uses a computer to obtain money by false pretenses is that not stealth?

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That is scary especially with me i have all my income from stealth and it is a hell of alot more money than this guy EVEN though he was actually stealing.

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Well danshan...he was doing fraud so ppl of course complained...and criminal investigation done. If you are doing good operations and customers are happy...I wouldn't worry. This loser fraudster probably also stiffed on paying eB fees...

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The question is how is stealth legal? I mean looking at that, it looks as if it absolutely is not. Anybody on here got any legal background or a lawyer cousin?

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Thats my thing danshan. definitely has me a big nervous. just because we arent scamming people doesnt mean its legal. im still looking into it more. i really HOPE there is more to it that brought the cops aboard.

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No need to worry just yet.

Just because its against a websites TOS does not mean that its against the law unless your are BLATANTLY taking/stealing and ebay/paypal is losing money. Many people run different businesses under different names.

Ebay know that if they were to require ID and such for EACH account, stealth or not, they are shooting themselves in the foot with a shotgun.

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According to that statute it does not look legal, stealing or not stealing is not how the law is written.

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I already talked to a lawyer about this about a year after I first started selling full time. He said its a gray area.

I told him the complete truth, how I make accounts, what stuff I sell. I told him everything and the complete process of making new accounts. I even made him 1 stealth account of his own. Still has it to this day with over 100fb.

Anyways, He said since I am making up names and using address that I get from MSN whitepages, which is public info, I am not doing any mail fraud. I showed him the process to get the money out, he said I am vioting the Terms of Service with ebay/paypal. Since the bank accounts has to be in my own name. When you sign up for a paypal account, it says to list your legal name. Well my legal name is not Meg Whitman.

After the intial 1 hour mark, the time was up for his paid services but we continued talking for another 35 min. In the end, he told me "continue what you are doing and be sure to ship everything out in time and list only things you have in stock or that you are sure will get to your customers (drop shipping), if not, then that will be considered mail fraud".

Several years later, I am still selling.

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Gray area huh, so really just the interpretation of the agency looking into it. A cpa I know said using diff names and addresses could easily be construed as tax fraud. I told him i pay taxes on everything I earn but he said because of llc's and diff names the tax rate can be effected. He also said stating you are one place and doing biz as in that state and not filing and paying taxes in that state depending on the state is evasion. I will call an attorney Tuesday because 110k this guy stole is nothing compared to my sales amounts and they looked at him. I have 36 bank accounts open right now all in my name and ss or llc or ein names. Having banks is not illegal so why did the bank investigators contact the police on this guy? How in the world would the bank know he is stealing?

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I always say, If you don't think what your are doing is right, then you should not be doing it.
The vast majority of us are are not scamming, stealing, coning, or ripping people off. That person was.

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Right in many instances has nothing to do with legal. A guy rapes my wife, i might and many others think its right to kill him or injure him but you still go to jail. Right is irrelevant.

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I am wondering too, how did the bank(s) know he was stealing. Or did paypal got a-hold of the bank and talked to them. But isnt there some kind of privacy laws against that.

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I would say privacy laws for sure. I tried to find more details on this online and could not.

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He had 400 Bank Accounts, I'll Bet he had a lot maybe say 30+ Accounts with one Bank, and all receiving funds in different names, that raises a flag at the Bank and they will Report this Activity to Authorities

And from there it is investigated

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not only that but we are talking about 400 PERSONAL bank accounts. Not even a business lol It would look like laundering for sure to any bank

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lol @ cooking 400 paypal accounts all to make 100k

rather go back to my trade.

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And if it is investigated and the cops come to my house and say who is john doe, who is carl doe, who dave doe what do i tell them?

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You tell them to speak to your lawyer - because at that point...you will need one.

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Why if stealth is ok as long as your not scamming? Im getting nervous about this stealth stuff for real. I spoke to a lawyer and he laughed and said what do you think. An unauthorized person accessing a computer network or services is a crime is what he said. If ebay banned you from their services you are unauthorized. He said in brick and mortar terms its like trespassing after someone told you to leave their property. The cake names he said is grey because it truly is not a real person unless your really unlucky and somehow make a real match but the trespassing is illegal.

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So you are tresspassing on ebays website?

Have you ever received a Criminal Trespass Warrant From Ebay?

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Im not getting into a legal word battle wth anyone I do not have the skills to be honest. I am just repeating what the lawyer said. He said if ebay notifies you that you are not authorized to use their services or sites and you still do that is a crime it falls under the federal and somevstates hacking statutes in the usa at least.

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Consider yourself a dropshipping agent.

John, Dave, Joe Doe all make sales with whatever platform and they simply pay you directly into your bank and you ship out the items.

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