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dazller_the_great 03-25-2020 07:48 PM

Re: Is using a virtual machine still ok?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandoras_box (Post 1078200)
VMs will always be OK. There are millions of legitimate instances of VMs running, so it is unlikely that eBay, PayPal or Amazon disapprove of VMs.

i hope so , but i think that probably they start lately to have a different opinion about it , since they try their best to clean up all the sellers from ebay that is not a normal user selling his old shoes from his home,
you know the residential ip thing , they dont like all ip's from datacenters , i had a horrible experience of ip's from proxies or vpn's i create on amazon aws

i hope im wrong abou the vm thing , any way , we will keep working on it till we find out

dazller_the_great 03-27-2020 04:36 AM

Re: Is using a virtual machine still ok?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandoras_box (Post 1078378)
I don't think it is a secret and no one here that I know of works for eBay. One or two conspiracy theorist abounds; these theorists are not people you can trust to tell you the time in a room full of clocks.
Why would eBay plant people and pay them wages when they can just purchase the forum and kill it?

As regards making an undetectable VM. I suppose it would be extremely difficult as there are just too many ways to programmatically tell when someone is using a VM.

Furthermore, there isn't a fool-proof way to spoof GPU drivers yet, and without these, your canvas fingerprint will fall into a specific range and therefore, exposing your use of a VM.

In my opinion, accomplishing this will be so tricky that the cost and effort will outweigh the benefits. eBay isn't chasing up anyone for using VMs - at least not at the moment. I do not foresee that in the future either as there are many legitimate users, especially big companies selling on eBay / amazon. I imagine these companies must use containers for their staffs in place of VMs or bare-metal installation to conserve resources.


Javascript can only tell you how many CPU cores you have and a bit of manufacturer information but never enough to draw a complete picture.
In our case, we "passthrough" the CPU on our motherboard directly to the VM so JavaScript can fiddle with that if it likes.

You shouldn't disable JavaScript as this will break a lot of things.
We've disabled WebGL, WebRTC and Geolocation. These haven't caused any problems for us yet not even with multiple high profile accounts.


Spoofing WebGL or Canvas is not just a bad idea, it's terrible.

thanks for the info , it really helped , and i totally agree that spoofing canvas and webgl is always a bad idea , it caused all accounts i created using spoofing tools of all kinds , all of them was suspended ,

DigiCambio 03-27-2020 03:13 PM

Re: Is using a virtual machine still ok?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dazller_the_great (Post 1080102)
my experience with vmware 15.5 is that every time i create a new account it gets suspended , im still doing the tests needed to verify if its 100% sure to be the reason for suspention , because there migh be other factors too , i think may be the ipburger browser extention might be detrected , and they dont like it , but still needs to be confirmed .
any way , soon i will be posting my new tests results


Have you had the same result with different source of IP other than ipburger ? you may test with residential ip address from your own country to find out if the issue is from VM side or IP

dazller_the_great 04-09-2020 09:02 PM

Re: Is using a virtual machine still ok?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DigiCambio (Post 1080513)
Have you had the same result with different source of IP other than ipburger ? you may test with residential ip address from your own country to find out if the issue is from VM side or IP

i did some tests lately , and i started to get better results , the vm i used have many flaws ,it needed some manual fixing , after doing that i started getting better results while using mobile internet with local fresh ip every time ,
i think it was on both sides , the ip and the vm ,
i will post soon my testing results ,hopefully it can help others too

Hooli 06-07-2020 08:54 AM

Re: Is using a virtual machine still ok?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandoras_box (Post 1078378)
I don't think it is a secret and no one here that I know of works for eBay. One or two conspiracy theorist abounds; these theorists are not people you can trust to tell you the time in a room full of clocks.
Why would eBay plant people and pay them wages when they can just purchase the forum and kill it?

As regards making an undetectable VM. I suppose it would be extremely difficult as there are just too many ways to programmatically tell when someone is using a VM.

Furthermore, there isn't a fool-proof way to spoof GPU drivers yet, and without these, your canvas fingerprint will fall into a specific range and therefore, exposing your use of a VM.

In my opinion, accomplishing this will be so tricky that the cost and effort will outweigh the benefits. eBay isn't chasing up anyone for using VMs - at least not at the moment. I do not foresee that in the future either as there are many legitimate users, especially big companies selling on eBay / amazon. I imagine these companies must use containers for their staffs in place of VMs or bare-metal installation to conserve resources.


Javascript can only tell you how many CPU cores you have and a bit of manufacturer information but never enough to draw a complete picture.
In our case, we "passthrough" the CPU on our motherboard directly to the VM so JavaScript can fiddle with that if it likes.

You shouldn't disable JavaScript as this will break a lot of things.
We've disabled WebGL, WebRTC and Geolocation. These haven't caused any problems for us yet not even with multiple high profile accounts.


Spoofing WebGL or Canvas is not just a bad idea, it's terrible.


What strategy are you using than?
if you don't mind to share.

⊗⊗⊗⊗nstein 10-04-2020 11:34 AM

Re: Is using a virtual machine still ok?
 
Why is it not possible to go to page 3?

CryptoBoss 10-05-2020 02:22 AM

Re: Is using a virtual machine still ok?
 
In my vm everytime i do the automatic payment method and choose paypal when creating an account i get an error and return back to merchant.

Can someone help?

rsot 10-05-2020 06:40 AM

Re: Is using a virtual machine still ok?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CryptoBoss (Post 1118278)
In my vm everytime i do the automatic payment method and choose paypal when creating an account i get an error and return back to merchant.

Can someone help?

Hmm - the pp attached to your eb is not limited, is it?

Maybe try a different browser

CryptoBoss 10-05-2020 07:37 AM

Re: Is using a virtual machine still ok?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rsot (Post 1118311)
Hmm - the pp attached to your eb is not limited, is it?

Maybe try a different browser

No its not and ive tried a different browser still no luck

Den78 10-05-2020 10:44 AM

Re: Is using a virtual machine still ok?
 
Hello everyone, which antidetect browser do you think is the best?

ethinoze 10-05-2020 11:31 PM

Re: Is using a virtual machine still ok?
 
I use Oracle virtual machine and it's really great. So many stealths no problem. Just one PC per stealth. I'm using 1TB plus 512GB

gento 10-10-2020 02:52 AM

Re: Is using a virtual machine still ok?
 
Creating or managing stealth's with a vm is ok for you?


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