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entropay,bank account & correct way to make stealth accounts
 

I am with natwest already


Through online banking, I just made another basic account.

Will they send me a card with that account ?
And with that card can I sign up to paypal with it ?


I also have an entropay card, but should I use it ?

Or just use my new bank card details ?

Yes and yes

The issue you may run into is loading funds into your PP account, as you will not be able to do it via DD due to mismatching names. Entropay solves that problem as you can use the entropay VVC to load funds to the paypal.

You wont be able to add the card unless the stealth address is the same as the address on the bank card.

If you have an Entropay card, use it.

Thanks.

I plan to use the entropay and the other bank account to make more than one account on ebay.



Making a new bank account with Natwest online is very easy so I would prefer this route. Could I use my real name and address and not get caught when I use it for paypal ?

Mismatching name ?

If I sign up to ebay with a false name and address,

But have a new paypal account, with my real name, will I get caught ?

on stealth accounts, you can only add the sort code & account number from your bank account

you cannot add the debit card details as the name and address will not match

instead, just add a entropay virtual credit card (vcc) or a vcc from an authorized seller on the forum Buy, Sell or Trade - eBay Suspension & Paypal Limited Forums

also its not a good idea to open too many bank accounts, especially with the same bank, make sure you understand stealth properly before you go adding bank accounts to your stealth accounts

with natwest you can set up the direct debit with a different name...

so you can add the bank account (sort & account number) to pay pal, which will verify your pay pal account and allow you to withdraw funds to your bank account

depending if your name is popular or not, e.g john smith, you mite get away with using your real name, but you really must make sure you sign up with as much different info as possible

also, you can only add your bank account to one pay pal account!

It is also very much advised that you paypal info matches your EB info. If you haven't already, get a copy of the Stealth Guide, it will fill in any blanks you have as well as answer some questions you will not have thought of.

Direct Debit ? What has that got to do with it ?

I have an account with natwest.
I opened a new account.

Won't that mean a new sort number, account number, and card ?


Also, couldn't I just send the money to a different paypal account so I could withdraw it to my main account ?

when you add the bank account (sort code & account number) to pay pal

you enter an agreement to set up a direct debit between pay pal and your bank

this is standard

when i say adding card, i mean the 16 digit number from your bank card (debit card)

when you try to add this to pay pal, they will check to see if the name and address match up, if not you cant add the card

Thanks.

But if I did use my real name and address to sign up to paypal, could ebay still catch me ?


if I don't will I just be stuck with a limited "10 item a month" account ?

You will also struggle to send money across to another PP each month without getting both limited. You also need to ensure that there is always enough money in the PP to cover and returns, disputes and fees otherwise as soon as PP try to take the money from your account, they will see the real name and shut you down, EB would quickly follow.

EB and Paypal share nearly all information, so if you enter your correct info into PP and then link it to a EB with stealth details, reg flags will be raised and you will quickly be locked down. Any bank account attached to the PP will also be burned.

And your wont be stuck with 10 items a month so long as you sell to your max, keep happy customers and high DSR it will grow by itself each month.

Thanks.

But I have to 4.95 for an entropay card ? Is that right ?

I have read other people on the forum open new bank accounts. why then, if you shuld be using entropay ?

An entropay is a minimum load of £10, and charges 4.95% on that. So loading a card with £10 will cost you £10.45. You can then trasnfer this £10 onto other VVC. I loaded my entropay VVC with £10 and used it to get 40 PP accounts, so really it costs very little.

To withdraw money from PP you need a bank account, at least that is the most common easiest method. It is also the only way in the UK (that I know of) to get your PP fully verified, and thus less likely to be taken down.

Why not just send the money to a main paypal account that is connected to a bank account?

Or will they link them that way ?

They will link it that way. Anytime you send money to another Paypal a link is formed. They just love to link things. If all your stealth PP are sending money to one main PP you will not get very far before everything is shut down and they hold onto your money for 180 odd days. All stealths need to be kept totally separate from one another. Any link is just asking for trouble.

No, because your name might get detected. We always suggest using a vcc for an extra layer of protection. As well, the address of the card issued by the bank will differ from your stealth account and thus make issues.


Use entropay. entropay used correctly is ideal for UK stealth.

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If this is your line of thinking, you need to do much more reading.

It is never recommended to move money around paypal to paypal to paypal.

This links all accounts. paypal will limit all of them.

Ideal stealth is to appear as normal as possible to paypal.

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How did you manage to create 40 PP accounts with a VCC? Wouldn't you have to attach a bank account to each of the 40 PP accounts then to be able to withdraw money? Thanks

I have bank accounts attached to just 15 at the moment.

I don't use all the EB and PP accounts for business selling, some sit for a few months with a few purchases and a few sales going though each month slowing growing, and the money in those PP accounts just sits waiting, never a huge amount though as I use it to buy items when ever I sell an item. If your creative about it there are also ways other than Bank Accounts to cash out a PP if need be.

On entro you can just create new VVC when ever you want, and it can done for free if you do it in the right way. PP deduct £2 or so from the VVC, and credit it back to the VVC after a few days, so you can recycle the money on there over and over.

Yeah but that's still 15 bank accounts...that's a lot of accounts! lol

Can you just withdraw the money to the VCC which you can then link to your bank, rather than have a direct link from PP accounts to bank accounts?

Trying to find a way of not using loads of bank accounts

The only way in the UK to withdraw from PP as far as I am aware is to withdraw to a bank account. You just have to have a lot of them. I use instant savings accounts, open a couple a month, close old ones I no longer use and take note to reopen with that bank again further down the line. We have a fair number of banks in the UK, just 3 or 4 accounts with each bank and you will have close to 200 accounts, so opening new accounts isnt really a problem, just have to be careful about how you do it and be well organised. I personally only ever have 20 bank accounts open at a time, but no doubt other people on here will have much more than that.

Withdrawing also is not the only way to get money out of PP. You could for example buy a prepaid card with funds from PP, you could buy gold and sell it (if you buy well you can actually come out with more money that way sometimes), you can use all the money in a PP to buy say a laptop, and then sell that as cash on collection only. Be creative, all sorts of way to get money out of PP

Thanks for the info! Much appreciated... When you say 'instant savings accounts', how do you open them? by going in the actual bank or can you do it online? Someone on here said you can do it with natwest (opening a new account) online but it won't let me with my account. I honestly don't see how you can have 200 accounts from 3-4 banks? That just seems ridiculous.

I'm pretty sure if you sell on ebay you need to attach your bank to be able to sell. I don't think a VCC alone allows you to sell on ebay. Therefore, if you sell on ebay, like me, then a bank account would already need to be attached to the PP account...

I think you may have misread the bit about banks, 3 or 4 accounts with each bank in the UK would lead to a possible few hundred, but your very very unlikely to ever need that many. Not a few hundreded with a couple of banks, the accounts would all get shut down if you did that.

I use smile.co.uk for some accounts. You can open that on-line, have yet to attached a smile account to a PP though, but I don't envisage any problems.

If you have an account with Natwest they also allow you to create an instant savings account when you are logged into your own account.

No, I understood the 3-4 accounts with each bank part. Just don't see how you get a few hundred out of it. I've looked into smile, they required all sorts of documents though when I tried to sign up. I'll look into opening another with Natwest if i can...thanks!

There are around 80 companies in the UK that you can open an account with, most of them allow up to 5 accounts (a current account, a basic account, a couple of savings accounts). Leads to a fair number in the end.

When I have opened no-notice savings with smiles I have not needed any paperwork, may just be a one off though. There are also companies like One Card Banking that you can open in about 5 minutes. They charge £14 a month or so for the account, but if you look around you can find 6 months free offers. In total I have seen approx 20 accounts that can just be opened instantly. Search for online basic account and MSE will list a number

Okay, how would I make multiple entropay VCC with just one payment ?

You said you got 40 paypal accounts ?

Also, when signing up to paypal, it asks for a bank account address. What do I put ?

Signed up to Ento, load money, and it will be self explanatory.

What is the minimum needed on each VCC ?

So how far would 10 pounds get you ?

As said earlier, if your creative about it £10 can make infinite accounts. Usually creating a new VVC costs £0.10 though

on entropay? Costs .10p? Since when did this start?

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For the last few months when ever I have created a new virtual card my account has had 10p deducted. Easy enough to work around though.

My entropay differs. Costs a but more to make a vcc

How dare they.

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Hmmm, i will have to check to see if this happens to me

i know when i load a new vcc there is a 10p charge/loading fee

not noticed a 10p charge when creating the vcc though :noidea:

Sorry your entirely right, I meant when the card is created and then loaded.

When there's a 10p transfer fee, how could you make infinite cards with £10.00?

The current fees are not an issue for me but I just wondered how you are able to transfer money between cards without it costing anything at all???

Was "infinite" just a turn of phrase?

No, literally infinite., Tbh though it only saves a few £ at most each month.

I think I'll play by the rules and give entropay their 10p per transfer. ;)

are virtual bank accounts from smile.co.uk free ?

and can they be connected to a paypal account ?