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Competitors selling ⊗⊗⊗⊗ and getting away with it.
 

Hi. Recently I noticed a sever decline in my sales, i thought maybe it was due to my product getting a little out of date now, but after a quick search I've seen basically 1 seller maybe 2 selling the ⊗⊗⊗⊗ Chinese version of mine. It's all the same but there is a dead giveaway in there pictures. Thing is they have undercut me and I can't afford to go any lower and gave basically taken ally sales. Is there anything i can do about this?

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Report them maybe? Back up your reports with proof?

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Only problem is that the other seller may fight back and target you - just fyi

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stop Whining and COMPETE!

your on these boards, so in the past youve had accounts banned, but you claim 'there selling ⊗⊗⊗⊗' and your not...?

dont buy it, sorry!

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F A K E Products come and go
R E A L sellers do not

maybe its time for a change.

:juggle:

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I hate to say but these phake sellers are playing unfairly while we try to sell legit products. I feel they need to be punished.

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Mate, dont judge him, not everyone here sells phakes.
IMO ebay, paypal, amazon are soo tough to sellers because of cake sellers like you. Thanks a lot

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To the idiot who said I'm selling ⊗⊗⊗⊗. I'm not. I'm just worried that my own account may get scrutinised if I click the report button. Apart from stealth in doing everything fairly and feel it's unfair that these guys are getting away with it.

As for the evidence, it's in there pictures but the thing is it's a small thing that's giving it away but very obvious. Would it help if I was able to contact the manufacturer and send them the item numbers? It's a major brand, one of the biggest and most popular in the world by far so will they even bother?

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If I was selling ⊗⊗⊗⊗ is have no problem dripping my prices but because I don't I can't, I've pretty much gone as low as is possible. Can I accept there are bigger sellers out there who get prices cheaper due to buying in bigger bulk? Absolutely.

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So I just added to my listing that there are many ⊗⊗⊗⊗ on eBay and if anyone wants advice they can contact me and il be happy to give some honest advice. No obligation to buy mine obviously. Don't know if it will make much difference. I suspect some of these sellers will be contacting me also trying to find out what they have done wrong.

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That was not too bright to do that.

Now you marked your own account because a toe rag competitor may report you.

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What would be their reason to report me though?

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While,this is true GB listings that note things like that-Do sell loads.
:pop2:

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Stay true to your user name (to me they just seem like words considering this thread you started) and MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE!!!! This is the business world man (or girl) stop whining and be a winner. Find something else to sell.

And BTW there will ALWAYS be someone that will undercut your price..that's business!! My 2 cents, now end this thread already. :rant:

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agreed 110%

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I've just had a friend purchase a couple of said items from each of the sellers. When recieved I going to get them checked out and get some official confirmation that they are counterfeit (I already know they are) and then going to get him to go thru the whole reporting and resolution process for ⊗⊗⊗⊗ items. it's a drawn out process I know, but hopefully with the official documentation we can get eBay to take some action against these guys.

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These are not cheap items we are talking about aswell, they are £180-200 each, and I've got over £10,000 worth of stock sitting here because some guy has basically cheated, normally id say fair play to him, but not on this occasion as I've got so much to lose out.

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Move on, you can never beat them, what's to say the future isn't China and its phakes, AliBaba was floated on the stock exchange for crying out loud, they are getting bigger and bigger and going from strength to strength! Find something else to sell as has been suggested, you cannot compete on prices with them, don't waste time with this, move forward not backwards!! They are even creating eggs out of chemicals now even though those chemicals cause dementia, it's just the way it is.

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Well it's more a case of who gives in, who is more determined. And going by my name you know that isn't me. Lol.

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Find another venue to sell your wares until he drops from getting busted or NARU'd

Watch his account and protect your own until the heat dies down.

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10,000 stock and you playing games , getting a mate to buy and report will have very very little effect, take a while and cost you money that you could have used to reduce your products.

Wake up or get stuck with that stock for a long time.

if your really worried drop your prices and get rid, I know you say you cant but if its an option of getting rid and moving on as oppose to getting lumbered with stock you can't afford to keep , I know which option id take even if it meant a breaking even or a small loss.

if you could list on other accounts you could try a dilute the effect it is having on you, but I would personally go with the first option.

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I my book you have exactly 2 options:

1. get better prices for which you can buy. Or buy much larger amounts

2. when the stock drops - drop the stock... meaning: as stated many times above... move on to another investment/ product

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Grass......

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Put GENUINE in your title it may help.

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Can't hurt.
:)

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What is his feedback like? Any customer complaints about his items being ⊗⊗⊗⊗?

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Not true, the future isn't phakes, many chinese want original product these days because they can AFFORD it, as they have CASH. The future is the original products within China anyway because of the growing middle class, and phakes is the problem for alibaba and jack ma, just recently the CCP attacked alibaba for phakes yet again, and Ma knows himself that he cannot keep peddling phakes, and he knows china is changing country this is not 1999 where the police used to help pack a container of phakes for clients, this is 2015, and they take phakes very seriously. All you need to do is read the chinese media, and so much phakes are being destroyed.....
If china wants to be the superpower they KNOW selling phakes is not the future, but the problem with chinese they lack imagination, this is the problem. And the lust for greed is another problem. Also with the ⊗⊗⊗⊗ eggs, again many chinese do not trust there own products, and this is why they BUY FOREIGNER brands! Esp baby milk and children products, as they are very worried, so phakes is not the future..... originality always wins.

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Counterfeits have been around since the dawn of time. They will still be around 100 years from now. What is different at the moment, is that China has developed an ability to quickly manufacture phake versions of almost ANYTHING. So everything fom razor blades, to DVD's are counterfeited these days. It is not just a problem for Rolex anymore.

The OP has made one mistake here. Sure it is not fair that he has to compete with sellers offering the phake merchandise. The sellers of real merchandise can never compete on price when the market is flooded with phakes. If that happens, I would move on and sell something else. Because even if eBay takes down one account, three more will just pop up. You are fighting a never-ending battle.

I learned long ago, NEVER fall in love with what you are selling. ALWAYS be researching new items to sell. Because what sells today may not sell tomorrow. Competition can become fierce. Counterfeits could flood the market. Newer items could come out that are better than yours. These days, you have to be nimble to be successful.

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I agree with Jeffweico, We have to be "Merchandise Pimps", we don't have time to fall in love with the merchandise we sell.......we have to evolve on a daily basis.

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I will add this....unless you know for a fact that you are going to sell $10k worth of merchandise quickly, don't keep $10k worth of merchandise. I'm not in the market to lose $10k, I'm in the market to make my $10k back plus some. If you know there are f@kes of your item out there selling for much less, move on to something else. LIQUIDATE YOUR INVENTORY NOW. Take your loss and find something else to recoup on.

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Why worry about eBay? Have your attorney sue them for copyright infringement. That will also stop them EVERYWHERE.

Of course, this assumes you own the brand in question.

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Really big accounts sell phakes very nicely, because they are literally immune to suspensions. Ebay wont kill an account that pays them 100k+ of fees every month. They will kill lot, and send some letter to account owner, but account owner will just relist the item in a couple of days with a bit different name and description. Anyway, it you are really big at EB, you can do lots of things, that small sellers are not allowed to do. But to become big, you should carefully and slowly develop your account by something not that risky.

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PHAKES are here to stay unless the brands reduce there prices
they also break and are painted in lead paint and are made by children in sweat shops for a dollar a day for 12 hours 7 days a week
with no health and safety laws because china want to
crush the USA and UK and Wallmart is the chain thats makes billions from the sweat shops and sells the crap to Americans and pays the minium wage to its employes and the goverment provides health care for them what a sham :attention:

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Not true. There are many people on this board that have had their "really big accounts" shut down without warning. Ebay doesn't care about them anymore than they care about you. GRANTED, yes, they get away with MORE than the small fry will....but they aren't immune by any means.

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What is it you are selling, it may be possible to find a cheaper supplier 😊

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Hard to do in the UK though.....

Rules differ from the USA.

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Why don't u sell item as auction

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In this context, BIG is something with 100k+ feedbacks and like 1 million usd turnover monthly. Never seen something that big going down. Ebay are not idiots to lose a customer who pays 100k every month. Seen lots of these "extrabig" accounts selling phakes, in thousands of quantity, they are still there, working, selling, not getting banned for years. Especially, when people getting banned for listing ONE iphone case, and these guys sell hundreds of such cases every day for years.

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its crazy how some ebayers are selling the same items as everyone else but dont ever get closed down. What do they do right that I guess I do wrong. When I put customer service 110% first including offering refund without any questions asked. hmmmm???? who knows

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The Chinese power sellers are immune.

I am good friends with the MD and owner of a company that makes a certain item. The Chinese copied it and sell it. He reports them daily, the small UK users get VERO infringements and stopped from selling them, however the Chinese never get taken down.

We believe it is because, if they are registered in China where they sell from the copyright does not work because China do not acknowledge patents and IP rights, as they know their economy would go bust without all the counterfeits.

So you 'big' sellers who are say UK or US based, are more at risk because they reside within where the IP rights can be applied for.