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20,000 GBP+500+ sold item stealth account died after to MP sign up/ eBay keeps money
 

So I enrolled my eBay in managed payments a few weeks ago I figured all is dandy and fine as I was receiving payouts to my bank without much of any issues or so I thought

I've been using this account for over a year now using an isolated enviroment with Residential IPs


About a week ago the daily payments stopped being scheduled I contacted eBay and they assured me this is a glitch which their technical team will fix shorty and I can keep selling, so I raked up 100's of GBP of pending funds and sent the buyers the packages multiple of whom already received it and left a positive feedback.


I thought that is decent but a week passed so I contacted them again and this is the response I've gotten:

https://i.imgur.com/WRtpcdc.png

So it turns out there is no real "hiding" for stealth managed payment accounts maybe you will survive for weeks or months but eventually they will do soft and hard credit checks on you and if you fail it no amount of creative ID will save you

this account had 0 deflects 3 late shipments and sold low risk products. while it was managed via payPal there was 0 issues associated with it.

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Many thanks for sharing.

Well that's it then. Stealth is technically over based on your screenshot. It's either identity theft to have multiple unlinked accounts or get permission from friends or fam to use there details or your own real previously banned details (like myself) and hope that they don't ban you again.

One thing for sure you can't make up phantom details and sell like we have prior to mp

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I should add, it looks like stealth MAY work if you keep the sales low / rotate accounts. You say you enrolled a few weeks ago but accumulated around 20k in those weeks which could have flagged a closer look by a ebay rep.

If you can avoid that 'closer look' may be you can get away with stealth info.

Just speculating ... either way that's not how you want to be running your business 'watching over your shoulder'

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and FYI the ebay passed PayPal limitations multiple times before and its high quality so I highly doubt its being detected as not real It is simply the fact that the person doesn't exist it is a made up identity without any info about them on credit recorsd

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was this a business account? had you sent all docs to them prior to enrolling?

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I only sold about 2000 pound via managed payments 18,000 was before MP kicked in

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I was not requested any docs just a bank account and started receiving payments I did find it odd to not request ID after a few weeks of ID I received this email:

https://i.imgur.com/efw7EWb.png

Personal account

After sending them the ID the notice to submit ID has gone away and I could still list and sell as normal but no payouts were being scheduled they first informed me my account has been verified and all is dandy this is a technical glitch after verifying details and i should get payments soon

I contacted them again a week later and that is when I received this chat message.

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was your account suspended or did they just leave it frozen the way it was?

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no my ebay did not get suspended my listings are still live and im still getting sales and offers however ebay just keeps the funds to themself

ive been informed that its their payment processor adyen that carries out ID checks and identity verification then tells ebay if they can do business with this customer or not

likely ebay would still like me as their customer but adyen told them they cant deal with me as the non existant indentity can not be confirmed in any way

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it looks like this will be happening frequently from now. what kind of ID did you send to them?

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Uncivilised bunch of unwashed stinking bath plugs....or bar stewards.


:rip: :rip: :rip:

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And it's Ayden that are allowing REAL previously banned sellers to come back to selling on ebay I would assume as they must be a new department at ebay HQ. And with the amount of sellers ebay are losing to competition and because of this new change they must have relaxed their strict "indefinite suspension" policies.

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I don't see much loosening here , it is rather tightening

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Don't know about most sellers here. I know there are plenty of benefits of selling anonymously with made up details. But if you pay your tax's, run a legit shop selling real goods and not vero. The fact I am allowed to sell again with my real details I am really comfortable running my business this way and it's most welcome.

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they are EU passports of non existant people.

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yes ive signed up with my previously permanently suspended details recently and got 1000/10k limit right off the bat

passed the adyen checks/MP checks as ive credit records in the UK and so far so good

I did get the 1st listing suspension but after calling it was removed without any mention of my precious account by the agent they just asked the usual questions they do on firsf listings.

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this is not loosening though but rather back to square one

as your probably know people doing all the things described above can still be suspended and considering that such decisions may happen deliberately it is rather tightening than loosening

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I understand, but many of us just want to get back to selling.

We've learnt from past mistakes and I would say those mistakes have made us more professional so we are better sellers now.

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Congrats, lets hope they let us stay for good.

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How could it be law to keep someone's money surely this is not true

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From what I've been told, they only keep it for "up to 6 months" to cover any refunds or disputes that may arise. A few people have said that they will automatically pay the money into your bank after about 60 or 70 days most of the time, so its not as bad as paypal, although I still prefer paypal because it was easier to make dozens of burner accounts

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this is very funny !!!!!!!!!

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why not,these people do not exist !!!!!!!!!!

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am i the only one? i am a private seller, i have a stealth account name and date of birth, bank details and address are my real details, everything went fine with ebay and paypal all i did was nickname bank account in stealth name and have been going for about 4 yrs can i just change ⊗⊗⊗⊗ name and date of birth to real name and date of birth then sign up for mp or just make a new account with all my real details? thank you for any help.

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Yeah if you put your real details in then it should work, although obviously won't be a stealth account any more.

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Yea I think it's there law but its not the law of the state

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Hi

I see a few people in this thread mention that they're getting a fresh start using real details... is it confirmed that you can now use previously banned details on a new/existing account and you won't get banned?

I ask because I have a personal converted business account (MP deadline was 11 June.. 4 days ago) which is selling fine and I had another business account which got banned for no reason. It had all my ltd company details on it and I'm scared when signing up for MP if I put the ltd company details on my personal converted business account it will flag and I will get banned... any thoughts?

None of this was stealth info - all business and identity details were legit in my name

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Yep I’ve had the same happen to 2 accounts however these accounts were using real details from family members but with creative docs got the same old crap as stated by the thread master that I need to contact Luxembourg to have my funds released.

I suspect that even if you use real details you cannot send creative docs in for verification because they can verify the docs using Aydens verification software as stated in previous threads.

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I just had the same problem as the OP. Dealing with £986 loss.

Account in question is an 8 year old stealth account. Added real bank details to receive payouts for Managed Payments. This was about 6 months ago.

Everything was going smooth. Was able to set up listings with no problems and was getting paid with zero issues.

Then I sold something for £900 and another item for £86. Suddenly I was requested to provide ID to keep receiving payouts.

Being a complete idiot and without reading the forums, I went and just uploaded the original stealth ID that I used 8 yeas ago :s :lol:

Verification obviously failed but I was naive in thinking they would just manually try to match it with what was on record and give the account the go-ahead.

The money still shows as "available" in my account but there is no scheduled payout. So it's essentially locked. My question is:

Is it still too early to say they release the funds after 60-70 days or is this something that's been experienced here?? I'm literally effed and it's not even funny but oh well. Was my own mistake for being stupid

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passport is the worse document to ⊗⊗⊗⊗,

Re: 20,000 GBP+500+ sold item stealth account died after to MP sign up/ eBay keeps mo
 

was it a personal or business account? were you asked for any documents when registering for MP?

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passport or DL , genuine or stealth does not play any role because no one gets into MP unless they pass database checks. Some people can continue selling for a while but if checks do not pass they will be suspended. This may easily happen to new residents too , for example you move to the UK , live here for a couple of years without doing anything in terms of credit history and you will be suspended as well despite sending a genuine passport

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Business account (started off as a personal account in 2012).

If I remember correctly, I was asked to verify personal details and then bank details.

I just ignored uploading an ID but did add a genuine bank account. I was able to list items and received payouts up until last week.

Then I sold an expensive item and the ID verification became mandatory. Even now I'm able to list items but there is no scheduled payout. The money that's in my account is just sitting there with eBay removing the entire payout system.

I just want to know **IF** anyone has eventually had this money released?? Back in the day, whenever PayPal would ban you they would release funds after 180 days. I got no other option but to hope eBay do a similar thing with me.

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if you care just about the money in this case and nothing else I can suggest you replace the details through genuine details of a relative and later ask to release the money. anyway , the details of the relative will be burned if you do this

Re: 20,000 GBP+500+ sold item stealth account died after to MP sign up/ eBay keeps mo
 

what was actually the approx. cumulative turnover on MP in the entire time?

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Before this £986 problem, I sold exactly £1226 worth of stuff with zero payout issues despite them asking me to upload an id.

But as soon as £900 came in they flagged my account. That would put my account past the £2000 mark. That's the red zone, probably.

After numerous enquiries in online chat, I was finally told I was too much of a risk. Basically I got the same generic response as the OP. I went and changed my account details and went back to online chat. They told me the decision can't be appealed no matter what I do.

It's funny because I have active listings and I know for sure the moment I get paid the money is gonna be stuck with no scheduled payout. I will have to just end those listings unless I can get the buyers to pay me outside of eBay which is another nightmare in and of itself lol

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then write off the money and start over with genuine details , it is partly your fault because ID had already been requested and it was clear it would have to be sent at some point. paypal would not have been any different apart from the fact that paypal use the ID to confirm the details on file and remove the limitation and MP use the ID to confirm the details on file and suspend the account

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Yeah I know I'm a ****ing idiot. If the money does ever get released, WHICH I HIGHLY DOUBT, but if it does I'll come back and give you guys an update.

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When we signed up for eBay, pay pal, there were lots of pages that said what could happen if an account had issues.

In words hard to understand, the comments got made that it was their right to
retain funds.

It was also never stated how the user/seller/us could be royally messed with if there were issues.

Suxs.

:ballchain:

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By the way i recovered most of my funds by sending a refund to the buyers (you can refund even if your mp account is frozen and even issue refunds that dip your mp into negative upwards to negative 1000 GBP) then a message with my bank details and paypal details to the buyers email as well as in a private message explaining im having issues getting the money from ebay

Now eBay is messaging me daily to pay them back the 1000 gbp i owe them as they refunded the buyers from their money but they can suck it

Some didnt pay but a lot paid back when they saw the refund appear on their account

One older woman even crafted me a cheque i scanned with starling and had it deposited with no issues

Just something you guys can use to recover some funds from these "dead accounts"

Overall i recovered maybe 35%-45% of customer payments i refunded which put me at dead even and ebay at -1k gbp