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Firefox cookies are not seen by Internet Explorer tools and visa versa. The way i proved this is using purely Firefox. I deleted all cookies in Firefox. I opened my email within Firefox. I saw the new cookies for the email site created. Then, I opened ebay messages one at a time and was able to pick off exactly which ones created cookies. All within Firefox. Of course, Cookie Monster would be oblivious to the Firefox cookies and would not show anything. To do the same in Explorer with Cookie Monster. Use Cookie Monster to delete all the cookies. Open up yoru emails in the Explorer browser (used incidentally by Outlook and Outlook Express). Cookie Monster will show which messages generate cookies. However, I have noticed Cookie Monster not being totally accurate all the time. Liek i will show no cookies and you say delete cookies and it says it deleted 3. So, you may have to stop and restart cookie monster to actually see anything. Should have a refresh button. But Firefox is your best detective because it gives the most integrated control over cookies. |
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Sorry, but I am still not believing. I fired up Internet Explorer (for MAC), Firefox and Safari and tried the test with all three browsers. As I opened up the dreaded EBAY emails (using webmail within each browser)...even the very one that had notified me of the suspension of one of my EBAY accounts, no cookies whatsoever appeared in my browser's cookie windows. Just to make sure the cookie windows under preferences for my browsers were working, I entered the URL of EBAY.com and yes, voila! a couple of cookies appeared from EBAY. But absolutely none appeared when I opened EBAY email after EBAY email within each browser using webmail. Then...I tried it with MSFT Entourage (the MAC equivalent of Outlook Express), and no cookies showed up in any of my browsers either. None. And by none I do not mean a certain amount. |
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Question: Lets say I log into my email to check up on any emails I may have received from my email address registered with a suspended eBay account. 1. If I click on one of those "Message from eBay Member" emails (just click on it to read it. Nothing else), can that get me linked? 2. If I click on one of those emails and reply to it (reply directly, NOT replying through eBay), can that get me linked? Just wondering if eBay can grab your IP address by opening up one of the emails that's sent through the eBay system Thanks |
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I am in the process of opening up a new account after having had 3 previous accounts suspended because they were linked to my originally suspended account. This was before I found your site with all of the information on exactly what eBay tracks, I had no idea they were tracking my IP and all of that. Now, I've been extra careful not to open the emails eBay has sent to me that were linked to suspended eBay accounts. They send things like 'eBay Research: Please answer these questions', etc. which are obvious attempts at grabbing my new IP address. I have deleted these without problem, but today, I got a message from an eBay member about an item I sold them that I know is legitimate. I couldn't resist reading the mail, in case there was an issue with the order that I needed to resolve. Before opening the mail, I turned off automatic image loading so that hopefully my IP wouldn't be tracked. My question is, should I be OK if I just read the email without loading its images (no reply)? Also, does eBay include these tracking images in messages from members, or only the bogus research and questionnaire messages they send? Can they get my new IP by opening an e-mail with another method besides an image? Thank you |
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It's been said that eBay slaps you with cookies when you open up certain emails from them. Usually the random emails, about promotions, questionnaires, those sorts. These cookies, once loaded into your browser can send information back to eBay once you sign into your eBay account. There have been a few people suggesting this, and others saying eBay doesn't do this. In some ways, I know eBay implants beacons in their messages which does send information back to eBay servers, though I don't think they use that information other then statistics. Though I will say, it's never a good idea to open any email from a suspended eBay account. The only way I would do it, is from another machine then my primary one. I've always done this, maybe for this reason, or paranoia, but it seemed to work, and I've had less linked accounts because of it. |
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In the worst case scenario, if I did receive a cookie from opening that e-mail, it will never be linked to my IP because I'll be in Linux whenever I log-in. For extra protection, you can install the user agent switcher extension into Firefox so that your browser will always appear as IE6/Windows XP to eBay. Those of you that still have problems after following all of the guides directions may find that using a virtual machine could be the answer. My new account was opened hours ago, I will keep you updated should it happen to be suspended. | |
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How about this: What if I open the email, and as soon as I opened the email and answer it, I go clean up all my cookies. Will I be completely safe this way? Or what if I forward that email to another one of my email addresses. And then read the email from my other email address. |
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I still don't follow how ebay can possibly link you just by say going to an old email WITHIN your email account (yahoo, aol, gmail, hotmail, whatever) and just poking around in the MESSAGE ONLY to look for information...such as checking on the address of an old buyer for instance...but NOT replying to it in any way ,clicking on ANY links within that message...then exiting right out and maybe clearing your cookies/cache just to be safe. Now I can understand how a link can occur if you click on anything at all within the message, as that would direct you straight to the source, alerting of your presence, but just reading it in your own email??! That would mean that any business or individual who knows what he/she is doing can know every single time you access your email. Talk about Big Brother!! I seriously doubt they have that power, and if they do...why aren't they using it?? We would have heard something by now I'm sure if this was indeed the case. |
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Jack, please read this thread carefully. I don't think is any danger opening and reading their emails. Some, or at least one of us, disagrees. But it doesn't help to say "I really don't think" or "No way." What would help the rest of us is research and experiments. My research showed that no cookies whatsoever are inserted into your browser when EBAY emails are opened, either via webmail or Entourage (MAC equivalent of MSFT Outlook Express). The gainsayer's research claimed that cookies were inserted. After I posted my data, he never came back to us to say anything more, so I tend to think that he was wrong. There is no danger, in my opinion, in opening and reading EBAY emails. BUT it does seem, as you point out, that replying to the email USING EBAY'S SYSTEM might take you back through your suspended account. However, I am not so sure even of then. Allow me to elaborate. Before I was ever suspended on any account, I used to maintain multiple accounts, oblivious to IP address or hiding in any way. Once I was logged in on my browser to one account, and then I opened an email sent to my other EBAY account, within the same browser on a different web page using YHOO mail. I clicked the EBAY reply link and wrote back. Later, it turned out that the link had taken me through the logged in EBAY account and responded through that account! Get what I am saying? The REPLY link took me back through my logged in account, not the account belonging to the sent message. Now, did the responding mechanism deposit some cookies into my browser which were sent along the way, alerting EBAY to the fact that I had just responded to one email via a different EBAY account's log in? I really do not know. |
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You are making this more trouble than it is...keep it simple. Do not open ebay emails outside of the ebay website. Anything else, your taking a chance. |
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howdyfolks, since figuring how eBay works, I've had great success. If it wasn't for VeRO suspensions, I would never been suspended. Jack, read the beginning of this thread. There is a lot of insightful information that relates to your comment. Though we're not 100% sure if eBay leaves cookies on your machine, it's a good idea not to open any emails from a suspended account of yours once your create a new account. If you must, do it on another machine to not risk your new account. |
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Yep, it's fairly easy. You just need the right software to do it and a person can find out if you opended their email, if you clicked on any links and more. Easy stuff, I do it all the time. |
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I use this CCleaner to clean up all the junkies including cookies, internet history.... etc... This should work for you guys... However, it does not change ip address. This also does not remove ebay software such as turbo listing. CCleaner is a system optimization and privacy tool. It removes unused files from your system - allowing Windows to run faster and freeing up valuable hard disk space. It's fast (normally taking less that a second to run). It cleans: Internet Explorer (Temporary files, URL history, cookies, Autocomplete form history, index.dat); Firefox (Temporary files, URL history, cookies, download history); Windows (Recycle Bin, Recent Documents, Temporary files and Log files); Registry cleaner (Advanced features to remove unused and old entries, including File Extensions, ActiveX Controls, ClassIDs, ProgIDs, Uninstallers, Shared DLLs, Fonts, Help Files, Application Paths, Icons, Invalid Shortcuts. So comes with a comprehensive backup feature.) Third-party applications (Removes temp files and recent file lists (MRUs) from many apps including Opera, Media Player, eMule, Kazaa, Google Toolbar, Netscape, MS Office, Nero, Adobe Acrobat, WinRAR, WinAce, WinZip). CCleaner - Free Software Downloads and Software Reviews - Download.com |
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I notice something more about cookies and I would would like to share it with you guys and please correct me if I am wrong. Let's say you connect to Ebay, right after that in your browser (IE) you'll get some cookies. A cookie is a file with a name and a specific content - Now the cookies are trackable by the webserver (Ebay) using their content and their NAME. If you're using Windows (no matter what version) you will have an account when you log in your operating system - The name of that account will be part of the name of your cookies. If your account's name is John the cookie will be cookie:john@ebay.com. Now lets say you delete all the cookies and restart your browser, first time you will hit Ebay you'll get cookies with the same name as the deleted one. These personal login accounts could be pretty common (see: John) and that's why I don't believe that Ebay will search only for this, but for a combined search (multiple criteria sorting) they will might put it in the equation. In order to avoid that I created on my computer multiple accounts - One for each Ebay account and I log off/on to the right Windows account for the specific Ebay account. That way I don't even have to delete cookies as IE keeps separate cookies for each account. If you have any comments please share. |
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