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Worth using amazon?
 

Well, Im currently shifting a couple of VERO items on ebay a week, nothing to get excited about, but I was wondering about amazon.

Is it worth signing up?
Are they as "****e" as ebay?
Can you earn, as there are many competitors and I think i wouldnt even get my products seen.

Someone shed some light on this for me?

Thanks :)

There seem to be a lot of stuff on Amazon for sale. It's trial and error - you get shut down, you start again. Only thing is no bidding so prices are set and work from there.

Seems liek you can still do quite well.

The great thing about amazon is that... it's not a bidding site. :)

You can make a lot more from amazon and the buyers are not as... dumb as ebay buyers. Amazon is harsh on sellers, they're mentality is sellers should be 100% customer service all the time. With amazon you can start selling as soon as you open new account! ^_^

Amazon is not ebay, everyone products are seen. Most of the time the least expensive products are seen first. Also competitors are cut throat there lol

And Amazon has some of the harshest policies - they will shut you down quickly without giving you info AND buyer claims can kill you without returning of product.

What about vero items? I also read there are lot less ⊗⊗⊗⊗ on amazon. Is this true?

I'd probably like to sell legit myself. But do people actually sell ⊗⊗⊗⊗ goods...

What are the charges like? And Im guessing I will need a merchant? Or is everything process through amazon?

IF people are selling ⊗⊗⊗⊗ then they are very GOOD ⊗⊗⊗⊗ or you won't last long. It only takes one customer to shut you down. If Amazon even THINKS that there is a possibility that your items are ⊗⊗⊗⊗, you're done.

You only get charged if you sell an item, also it depends on what you sell. As far as merchant accounts I don't know. I just let the money flow throw amazon then disburse to bank account.

Yeah, Amazon is very tough on their sellers. Like the previous poster says, it only takes one buyer to report you are selling phakes and you're done. 1 or 2 buyer claims or product returns, you're done. Competitor buys your item just to leave negative feedback, you're done. The beautiful thing with amazon (as many have said) is that when they shut you down you get your funds within 90 days, which is beautiful. Also, like previously posted you can use ANY bank account after you're shut down to get your money, doesn't matter if you've used it 10 times on amazon before on other blocked accounts. I personally have about $4000 waiting on me Sept, and about $3000 in October. A 250% return on investment in 3 months can't be beat.

The key though is trying to make your accounts last as long as you can so you can have some sort of cash flow. I've stocked up on ebay laptops and going to use prepaid verizon mobile broadband cards from now on...different IP every time. We'll see how it goes!!

eBay is the kiddie pool. Amazon is the shark tank.

But the swims are SO PROFITABLE!!!

Personally, I think Amazon is way better than Ebay for vero stuff. Of course, there are pros and cons to Amazon, but I think the pros far outweigh the cons. First, they don't require a SSN like ebay/paypal does. Second, if you get taken down Amazon only holds your funds for 90 days, while it's 180 with ebay. Those are the 2 biggest reasons I use Amazon more than ebay. I don't really have an issue with Ebay itself, but adding in paypal just makes me want to puke. I hate dealing with them. With Amazon, I know i'm going to get paid and there are less surprises.

Amazon is much more strict on their rules than ebay. There are no warnings with Amazon, no temporary suspensions, etc. When they boot you, you're done for good. You aren't going to be able to get on the phone and talk to someone like you can with ebay. You're finished and that's that. If you're selling Vero, then that isn't a huge issue because you aren't going to be able to talk someone back into getting your account unlocked anyway.

Another thing, you don't have to worry about owing fees with Amazon. They take out their cut before they give you your money, so you won't get emails like with Ebay demanding payment blah blah blah. That really simplifies things IMO. One less thing to worry about each month.

The one big negative with Amazon is their feedback system. You really have to beg and cry for feedback and one negative pretty much kills you. When I open a new stealth account I also open up two other accounts just to give my new stealth accounts some positive feedback. It's that crazy.

As far as sales go, I make less sales on Amazon than Ebay, but the sales I make are for a lot more money than what I got on ebay...so it evens out. I probably make more money on Amazon than what I made on ebay selling Vero. I don't like the fact that I run multiple stealth accounts and have to keep logging in to Amazon to lower my price. That sucks. I wish there were a system where I could put in the lowest price I will sell my stuff for and it would automatically lower it for me. Soon Amazon will be using Autiva, so that will eliminate that issue. Then I won't have to worry about ip addresses and I'll go off like a madman.

Thanks for the info, interesting read :)

DOes anyone know where I can find a guide to using amazon stealth, like the ebay stealth book?

Aspkin is in the process of writing one now.
It should be finished soon.

There WAS one, but it is hopelessly out of date. Search the fiorums, we have most of what you need here.

I would just add that USUALLY Amazon does not shut you down without warning. In most cases they WILL work with sellers if something seems to be going wrong. HOWEVER - the exception to that is if you are thought to be selling counterfeit merchandise. In that case, they will shut you down immediately and there is no second chance.

Being legitimate does not always help. Competitiors on Amazon are absolutely VICIOUS. So, if your competition preceives that you are "stealing their sales" they will have someone else buy from you so that they can have that person complain to Amazon that you sold them ⊗⊗⊗⊗ merchandise. Then you lose your account. That is just the way it works on Amazon.

Really? Amazon implements new methods and tracking faster than any ebook can be updated.

*Edit by aspkin, "I think not." ;)

Amazon is a classier buyer. They pay and never have a chance to bith about shipping costs, or about being unhappy with terms. If they don't like the terms, then their transaction never gets completed.

No fees until item is sold is a nice touch too.

I am selling more items and at higher prices trhan ebay. See ebay was the best until a couple years ago, my sales tanked, and number of bids dropped, and price sold has been lower. I think ebay ruined itself with changes to search, etc. Amazon came out the winner because they did not change the basics, and left a good thing alone for the most part.

Yeah thats true,,,,Word is that they are onto a NEW One,,,And It is NOT Browser Fingerprinting,,thats ALREADY Old to Amazon

Exactly, Amazon moves so fast it's constantly finding ways to track and identify user trends. I've heard they're onto something else as well, and I'm sure we're talking about different things!

Is it really that bad on amazon? Whats the point in selling at all if:

1. You sell legit, but run the risk of jealous competitors closing you down.
2. You sell counterfit goods, and run the risk of being caught selling knock offs.

Seems like a lose lose situation to me..

Are you able to open stealth accounts with amazon? Are the principles the same? As I've heard opening an amazon sellers accounts is a lot harder.

Different broadband cards for different laptops?

Keep us updated on how that goes! :)

@turbo, Amazon account creation is simple - once you make sure you aren't linked to anything.

Lasting long is the key issue. The hold on funds is much better than Paypal though although their A-to-Z claim is a b*tch if you get nailed with it.

Much better site for sales of stuff in demand - much worse for trash knockoffs.

Hmmm... I got kicked off of Amazon and I had not made one single sale, and my stuff was legit. I haven't been back there since, but I have thinking about giving it another shot more and more. I have a few questions.

What is the payout schedule?

Are funds held and you have to withdraw them, or do they go directly to your bank?

What's the proccess from listing to selling to getting the money in hand?

Are you required to ship first before you collect your money?

Is there a limit for new sellers? How soon can I start posting big ticket items?

I wasn't able to find any of this out because like I said, I was just booted for no reason.

1) Every 14 days. You can request disbursements sooner, but it is not recommended.

2) To your bank account only.

3) Ship items, get paid on the next payout date.

4) Yes, you have to ship first.

5) $750 or over will trigger a review. Your account will be reviewed anyway at some point. So, get it over with. Then you can list more expensive items. However, they may impose limits on your selling depending on how risky you appear to be.

6) You were suspended for a REASON. You may not know what the reason is, but there is definitely a reason. Usually AMazon tells you why you were suspended in the email they send you.

So how many listings can I make at one time? It's not like eBay where you have a auction and it ends, and you have some type of sale. Basically you list something then wait for it to sell right? How do I know I have something that's typically selling, or how do I see the views? I don't have a clue if something is gonna sell tomorrow or next month. It would probably be important to list a variety of things if you have them available no? :noidea: One could say it's the same thing when listing BIN on eBay, but I only use BIN with Best Offer. That way if I'm not selling I can judge what prices buyers are looking for based on the offers. I seriously don't have time to babysit Amazon waiting on a sale.

Amazon
 

Amazon Rules:

Been there off & on since 2001....!!

Amazon truly & honestly paids my bill 100%+

I can relate with the other poster. Even if Amazon puts you off you always have a check on the way. I have $4300 coming in September & $1700 coming in Oct.

Have 3 accounts running well now. I always & I mean always keep one Legit. Even when My Ebay & other Amazon Accounts fail this one is steady making money. Even though I do not do legit accounts well it still pays me $1500 weekly with 100% FB.

With Amazon you you do not have to start slow or fast. Regardless of how you start you will 98% of the time get hit with their ((30)) Day Hold. Me personally I start big because the quicker I get that hold over the quicker they lay off you & the gates so to speak are open. Last Christmas I cleared $67,000 in one month. What I did was I signed up for a prepaid CC. I chose a Prepaid CC that allowed me to transfer money from card to card so I signed up for 5 cards. The thing is I did not have to worry about Amazon but low & behold the dam CC bank put a hold on my funds until I sent them papers explaining where these Direct Deposits were coming from. So Amazon of course gives you a read-out of your payouts & once I faxed that over everything was fine. But I had a blast that month...I was at the ATM more than I was at home. I Luuuuuuv Amazon to death!!

So go big as soon as you open your account to get through the 30-day hold. Amazon customers to me are the Bentley people of online shoppers. They pay alot & expect alot so give them alot!! Its that simple. You do this by 1.)Shipping ASAP, 2.)Package as Best as you can(as if you are packing a gift for Obama), 3.)"DO NOT" request any FB-these are not the customers to do this with-please believe me, let them give you FB at their own will, & 4.)make absolutely sure that you DESCRIBE ACCURATELY your item so they will know what to expect. Amazon Customers HATE this & this will Kill your Account!

Now as far as pay its limitless. They hold your money for the first two weeks when you start. If you start slow then after this you can disburse payments every 24 hrs. The first pay takes exactly 4 days to get to your account after disbursement. But I disburse everyday I have a sale. So I get money everyday(not including wknds). For instance you disburse Sunday, it gets to your bank on Thursday, disburse Monday, it comes Friday, disburse Tuesday, it gets to your bank Monday & so forth.

But even if you start slow & try to disburse everyday, you'll get dinged with the 30 day hold. But as I said get it over with early & the gates are open so you might as well do it early on & get it over with. Its gonna happen regardless.

One more thing to all who want to try Amazon you have to do it now. Amazon is very picky & choosy about their X-mas sales(may I add for good reason). They become "Hunters" Christmas time & will kill any account that is young & look suspicious!!! Why because in my opinion Amazon is a "CASH MACHINE" big time Christmas & they know this & know it well. So if have not established a relationship with them meaning FB & passed the 30 Day hold they will limit you or put a hold on selling certain items for Christmas. Amazon is not stupid & since they do not have any limits set on how much you can make they know X-mas time the sky's the limit & make it much harder on new accounts. So GET those stealth account up now!!! There is lots of money to be made there & Amazon customers pay ridiculously HUGE this time of the year!!

amazon
 

Hi IDK

Here's how you can tell how quickly your item will sell?? Go to p90x & act as is you are going to sell this. Describe your item, i.e, new. like new & brief description. Then press submit. After you press submit, you should come to the page where you list your price. Look to the right & you will see a box with the new & used price as well as the amazon "sales ranking." The "sales ranking" is your key to see how fast your item will sell. For example P90X "sales ranking" is (1). That means you can pretty much sell 10 of these a day or even more. For a DS system the "sales ranking" is (115) still good but you may sell at least 3 a day & so forth. So the lower the sales rankings is the more money you'll make!!

Amazon
 

I had to add this also about Amazon that I simply love & how it is totally different from Ebay. Scenario below:

Ebay:

Sold over $5,000 vero. One customer reported me to Feebay. Got suspended immediately. In addition to suspension, Ebay shut down my listings, no access to account what so ever, alerted Paypal, & the biggest "INSANE" thing of all, Ebay alerted every single customer that I was a Fraud & immediately customers ran to Paypal opening disputes left and right. So now I am negative in my Paypal account $6000+! They even sent emails to people that had their items delivered weeks ago who never thought about opening up a case but now since they have this alert that Ebay sent them opens one up just because!! What a Mess!!! That was a nightmare!!



Amazon:

Same situation. Got suspended for the same items I sold on Ebay. Amazon allows you even though they know you were selling F___s to still ship all items regardless, in fact, they encourage you to. They keep that part of your account open so you an still communicate with your customers. I ship all goods with no complaints & September I get $4300+ waiting for me. No threats from Amazon. Its a clean break! Amazon still makes money, Customers are still happy & might even still shop with Amazon again(why because Amazon did not run & tell their customers that your seller sold you F___s), & most importantly I get a check in the end!

Amazon knows business & they know it well.

Ebay has to be the craziest bunch of A___holes I have ever seen. Amazon rules!!

Thank God somebody still knows how to do business :humble:

Ok in my case i dont have 30 days hold any more.

when i stay below 450 $ in the first month. (i have now 10 accounts).

WOW Kev... That's all I can say.

[QUOTE=kev59;160714]Amazon Rules:
Last Christmas I cleared $67,000 in one month. What I did was I signed up for a prepaid CC. I chose a Prepaid CC that allowed me to transfer money from card to card so I signed up for 5 cards. The thing is I did not have to worry about Amazon but low & behold the dam CC bank put a hold on my funds until I sent them papers explaining where these Direct Deposits were coming from. So Amazon of course gives you a read-out of your payouts & once I faxed that over everything was fine. But I had a blast that month...I was at the ATM more than I was at home. I Luuuuuuv Amazon to death!!

Glad to see all your success. The thing Im curious about is with the bank. With all those CC accounts, moving money from CC to CC, big wire/direct deposits and the bank putting a hold on all your activity, weren't you worried about the bank submitting a form to the Feds for suspicious banking activity. To any legit banking institution. For any high dollar amounts, this would put you on the radar for money laundering, or illicit proceeds from illegal activity.

I'd be careful about this. Especially if you are not using real information.

With paypal, you can get a check in your f**k name, and still get it cashed, with Amazon, it goes directly to your bank leaving a paper trail right to your door.

after reading what kev59 has said it just makes you want to ditch ebay/paypal all together. Im going to make myself a crap load of amazon accounts!!!!! YEEEEHAAAA lol

That is the LONG way to see the rankings....
Here is the short way:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers
Just pick a category and you will see the top sellers in that category.
You can even walk down into the category tree and see the sub categories.
It is even updated every hour by Amazon (they are so helpful).

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Originally Posted by Here We Go Again (Post 160885) That is the LONG way to see the rankings.... Here is the short way: Amazons Top Selling Items by Category Just pick a category and you will see the top sellers in that category. You can even walk down into the category tree and see the sub categories. It is even updated every hour by Amazon (they are so helpful).

Is there a short way, or any way to get the top sellers by category for ebay?

HWGA, useful link I am sure but on my browser shows "Document Not Found" - do i need to be logged into my Amazon account for this link?

^^^^^^
Weird.
No you do not need to be logged in.
Maybe the link only works for US?

Here it is agin.....
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers

Maybe so - still nothing I can see =( Ah well. Good link though for people who get it working ha

the link shows

www amazon com/g/p/bestsellers

change it to

www amazon com/gp/bestsellers

This forum automatically changes the link for some reason

^^^^^^^^^^^
I have seen that on other links...
Totally forgot about that little / that pops in all on its own.

very interesting reads :)

so, one questions...

how do I create my own stealth amazon account? are the methods the same as ebay stealth accounts?

Try the section called 'Amazon', or pay us for our time and we'll look for you :clap: