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unknown_user 08-19-2011 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninjavega (Post 260727)
Were you selling an inventory list similar to a previously banned account?

While there are a lot of amazon merchants, you need to realize there are not a lot selling "the same thing" if you compare their inventory.

So if you have lets say 20 items up for sale, and get that account banned. Now a week later, a new account gets put up, in the same city as your old one and it just happens to have those 20 items for sale....

Amazon looks at things like that and plays the odds, the odds of a new merchant in your city having an identical or very similar inventory list, they just assume you are the same person they already banned and ban you again

Especially if you trip a velocity review early on the account. Real new people won't typically hit $500+ in a day. And realize it only takes about $750 in a month to trigger your first review. At which point someone sits there and examines your every action. They know your in the same area based on your IP as a previous ban. They sit there and compare you to every person in your IP area that has ever been banned, and if anything about your behavior or your inventory is suspicious, your out.

They can even link you from tracking numbers. If you are using those green forms from the post office, take a look some time, if they are sequential (and mine often are). If they see 2 or 3 accounts all using sets of sequential tracking numbers, they know you are selling from the same pile of delivery confirmation stickers. They also know when you log in. So if they see 2 or 3 accounts log in on the same day in the same order and the tracking numbers typed in are sequential as you are saying they are shipped.... they will assume you are the same accounts.

The kicker is, they dont need real proof, they only need to suspect you are a prior banned account. Its no real loss to them, they dont even have to care if they get it wrong.

the thing is...this is my first time selling on amazon in 2 years and all new information / location etc. all different user data etc. all items are misc different (never the same dvds and or other merchandise) and I sold a great deal in volume but however stayed under the 500 or 750 dollar range plus having feedback....just found it odd when i added a bank account it was suspended without warning. I still think it was the whole 40 items in less than a week thing... and even though i had feedback... didn't matter.

next time i'm thinking about listing a 200 dollar item and selling on 10 amazon accounts and sell 2 of those a month .... possibly 3. think this will work? also the account was located in chicago...my bank account was in florida. that a biggie or????

ninjavega 08-20-2011 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unknown_user (Post 260729)
the thing is...this is my first time selling on amazon in 2 years and all new information / location etc. all different user data etc. all items are misc different (never the same dvds and or other merchandise) and I sold a great deal in volume but however stayed under the 500 or 750 dollar range plus having feedback....just found it odd when i added a bank account it was suspended without warning. I still think it was the whole 40 items in less than a week thing... and even though i had feedback... didn't matter.

next time i'm thinking about listing a 200 dollar item and selling on 10 amazon accounts and sell 2 of those a month .... possibly 3. think this will work? also the account was located in chicago...my bank account was in florida. that a biggie or????

depends. was a new bank account? is the bank account setup similar to an old one?

for example, wer e your old accounts also located in chicago with accounts in florida? what are the odds on that.

there are a lot of variables, if youve read amazon ghost it lists most of them, but amazon are sneaky and have more. they are also thieves, sometimes they just want to hold onto money and earn interest

imagine how many people they have on suspension while they twiddle with your money. thats what happens when a company is founded by a con man and a prostitute, they created the ultimate con game

i wont even go into the list of their own rules they break daily... every standard rule they create for sellers, they do not abide by themselves...

unknown_user 08-20-2011 04:48 PM

I added a bank account (florida) and thats when it all crashed down. due to the account being created in Chicago and VPN i was connected to in Chicago as well... but wouldn't that not make a difference if i had a florida bank account or not?

ovidiu 08-20-2011 04:52 PM

Banks are headquartered all over the place. What difference would it make if you didn't use a local bank? I think something else is at play here. Maybe VPN is the real problem. I am sure Amazon doesn't like stuff like that.

unknown_user 08-20-2011 05:32 PM

i sold on it for a week...but soon as i started to hit about 40+ sales...odd i guess. since i had 10 different items and relisting them.

ovidiu 08-28-2011 06:18 PM

If it were me, I wouldn't sell 40 items in a week. You want your stealth Amazon account to last, wait a month before selling like crazy.

ninjavega 08-29-2011 12:40 AM

yea... amazon gets nuts if you sell too much apparantly. i just opened 3 new stealth accounts. 100% new computers with individual internet connections through seperate wireless dial up dongles, new identities, new phones,etc.. the works

1 was banned without explanation, they just said "we chose to close your store", it had only been open a week, had $500 in sales, but they shut it down before product had even arrived to customers (all shipped with tracking), they didnt say it, but I think its due to lack of feedback to support the number of sales (no one left feedback, no one had gotten anything yet...)

2nd was banned for selling "innapropriate items", which doesnt make sense, i was selling adult erotica, but its the same erotica that amazon and many others are STILL selling on the site. amazon likes to pretend they dont sell porn and randomly bans a few people for selling it, even though they continue to sell it themselves and so do many others on the same item pages. they dont even take the item pages down so i dont understand how anything i was selling is innaprpriate when so many others are selling the exact same item, including amazon itself.

anyway, the 3rd account is under review, luckily it has some feedback, we'll see if it passes velocity review or not

if it doesnt i may end up homeless soon, i cant afford to buy another computer and internet connections i spent the last of my money on these new 3 and it will be 3 months before i get the money back from all the sales we've done (several thousand dollars already...)

ovidiu 08-29-2011 01:26 AM

Just take it easy the first month or so, build feedback with little notes pestering customers to leave positives. It's worth it in the long run. Try to get 10 positive feedbacks before you go crazy selling. At 25 or so, you're golden and can start thinking about restricted categories.

Recherché 08-29-2011 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ovidiu (Post 263782)
If it were me, I wouldn't sell 40 items in a week. You want your stealth Amazon account to last, wait a month before selling like crazy.

Absolutely true. I always make more accounts than I need. The ones I don't use has just one item for sale greatly overpriced. When I do get suspended (only happened twice this year selling in high risk media) I simply transport items from suspended account to new one months old and don't miss a beat and rack up in sales. So far, I've never been put under revue.

Recherché 08-29-2011 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninjavega (Post 263855)
yea... amazon gets nuts if you sell too much apparantly. i just opened 3 new stealth accounts. 100% new computers with individual internet connections through seperate wireless dial up dongles, new identities, new phones,etc.. the works

1 was banned without explanation, they just said "we chose to close your store", it had only been open a week, had $500 in sales, but they shut it down before product had even arrived to customers (all shipped with tracking), they didnt say it, but I think its due to lack of feedback to support the number of sales (no one left feedback, no one had gotten anything yet...)

2nd was banned for selling "innapropriate items", which doesnt make sense, i was selling adult erotica, but its the same erotica that amazon and many others are STILL selling on the site. amazon likes to pretend they dont sell porn and randomly bans a few people for selling it, even though they continue to sell it themselves and so do many others on the same item pages. they dont even take the item pages down so i dont understand how anything i was selling is innaprpriate when so many others are selling the exact same item, including amazon itself.

anyway, the 3rd account is under review, luckily it has some feedback, we'll see if it passes velocity review or not

if it doesnt i may end up homeless soon, i cant afford to buy another computer and internet connections i spent the last of my money on these new 3 and it will be 3 months before i get the money back from all the sales we've done (several thousand dollars already...)

Why all the undue stress? Just go simple and use same desktop/laptop with dial up. It's what I do with great success. Six accounts running using same laptop. Sure, you may access accounts quicker using cable, but other than that I never could understand why some go all out the way with complicated mac changing every time for login and changing router mac, dongle, etc. KISS.

Axcend 08-29-2011 05:35 PM

VMWare, don't buy new computers.

ovidiu 08-29-2011 05:43 PM

but other than that I never could understand why some go all out the way with complicated mac changing every time for login and changing router mac, dongle, etc. KISS.

Same here. I don't have 10+ accounts like some on here, but just bought a cheap netbook after I was suspended from my legit account, and use that to access any Amazon-related stuff.

mercurial333 08-29-2011 06:06 PM

Is Dial-up painfully slow for managing amazon sales?

nobody999 08-29-2011 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mercurial333 (Post 264143)
Is Dial-up painfully slow for managing amazon sales?

yes...but it not technically challenging.

ninjavega 08-30-2011 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Recherché (Post 264133)
Why all the undue stress? Just go simple and use same desktop/laptop with dial up. It's what I do with great success. Six accounts running using same laptop. Sure, you may access accounts quicker using cable, but other than that I never could understand why some go all out the way with complicated mac changing every time for login and changing router mac, dongle, etc. KISS.

See, for me getting new computers was "simple" it just happened to be costly. I would have considered it worth it, if we didn't start getting banned on those accounts.

Anyway, what vmware do you use? I know nothing about it to be able set up the accounts on one computer.

Also, I don't think this computer has dialup. What dialup do you use and what do you do to keep each account seperate with the dialup? Does each need a new dialup account?

doesnt the network connector for the dialup have a mac address that needs to be change?

i'm gonna need to learn this going forward, i have to make this work or im in a lot of trouble.

ninjavega 08-30-2011 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ovidiu (Post 264141)
but other than that I never could understand why some go all out the way with complicated mac changing every time for login and changing router mac, dongle, etc. KISS.

Same here. I don't have 10+ accounts like some on here, but just bought a cheap netbook after I was suspended from my legit account, and use that to access any Amazon-related stuff.

i agree netbooks are cheap and even if they were banned can be resold for minimal loss.

but, how do you ensure that your internet connection ip and mac address of modem/router are also new?

ovidiu 08-30-2011 02:26 PM

No need, I actually moved to Seattle from Portland literally a month after I was banned.

Btw, I was banned while on vacation. Imagine!

Recherché 08-30-2011 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mercurial333 (Post 264143)
Is Dial-up painfully slow for managing amazon sales?

Yes and no. It can be fairly quick at times if not heavily in use, but on certain times of day where there are lots of users on at the same time it can be unbearably slow. The way to work around the really slow times is curtail your login times to coincide with the less heavily used times.

Recherché 09-09-2011 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ninjavega (Post 264422)
See, for me getting new computers was "simple" it just happened to be costly. I would have considered it worth it, if we didn't start getting banned on those accounts.

Anyway, what vmware do you use? I know nothing about it to be able set up the accounts on one computer.

Also, I don't think this computer has dialup. What dialup do you use and what do you do to keep each account seperate with the dialup? Does each need a new dialup account?

doesnt the network connector for the dialup have a mac address that needs to be change?

i'm gonna need to learn this going forward, i have to make this work or im in a lot of trouble.

I don't use any VMWare. Just Windows and different user accounts. Dial-up connections do not have MAC addresses. I use a laptop that has modem for dial-up connection. If you desktop/laptop does not have a telephone line connection for dial-up, then you need to buy external USB modem that connects any desktop/laptop to dial-up.

rsot 09-09-2011 12:02 PM

I use the same way Recherche - mind if i ask what software you using for your dial-up connection? PM if wishing to keep privy.

Recherché 09-10-2011 04:52 AM

Software? Do you mean dial-up services? If that is what you meant than Juno & Coppernet. Other than that, I use nothing else.

incniu 09-19-2011 07:25 PM

if you have multiple accounts, do you change router MAC?


Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelW (Post 258773)
- No VMWare, I'm using windows user account, also different PC and OS (some run on Linux)
- Internet is Cable Modem and I can change IP as I want
- Used VCC both MC and VISA


Christopher 09-24-2011 01:43 PM

same crap just happened to me ugh i sent some crap off and made some disbursements i wonder if they make it lets see

Christopher 09-24-2011 01:46 PM

are you supposed to get disbursements on sat?

Giardino 09-27-2011 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Axcend (Post 251729)
I know what happened. This happened to me a few months back. They linked you through your second Mac address. What caused it for me:

Vmware(Mac spoofed) -> iPhone (can't change Mac)

That was my chain for Internet connection. Amazon can see the 2 closest mac addresses. They linked your accounts and outright deleted them. Same thing happened to me.

There could be a diff reason. How long were these accounts open for?


Eyyyyy Axcend, long time no see.

Are you sure that Amazon can see outside of the VMware chain? A VMware machine is basically a stand-alone computer, and it has its own "virtual" internet adapter that has its own virtual MAC address. Even if the iPhone was your second in the chain, wouldn't the chain first have to go to your host computer in the first place?

What I am trying to say is doesn't Amazon see it like this?

VMWare -> VMWare Virtual Network Adapter -> ???

Even if its like what you said, wouldn't it instead be

VMware -> Host Computer -> Iphone?

Instead of

VMWare -> Iphone?


Sorry if this is confusing to read :P

teufle 09-30-2011 09:02 AM

Contact the Better Business Bureau, I've done that from all 10 of my accounts that have gone down. They always respond & they're ready to deal.

Recherché 09-30-2011 10:12 AM

Contact the BBB even if account was stealth? Did amazon disburse it to your bank account or did they send check? If by even check with different name and address?

rsot 09-30-2011 11:59 AM

@teufle, do you just send a message you have typed to BBB? Or does BBB do it for you.

teufle 10-01-2011 12:49 AM

Go to the BBB website, use that accounts email as your contact email, there form is very specific & they'll take care of it from there. Amazon always sends a generic response about sending a check to the address you created the account with but the BBB allows you to reject there resolution at which point you can request the check to be sent where ever you'd like. I have them send it in the stealth name & use different addresses. Amazon always drags the process out, but so far they've agreed to send 3 checks to the address I've requested. The other accounts are all in some stage of the process.

UnderBites08 10-02-2011 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by teufle (Post 273842)
Go to the BBB website, use that accounts email as your contact email, there form is very specific & they'll take care of it from there. Amazon always sends a generic response about sending a check to the address you created the account with but the BBB allows you to reject there resolution at which point you can request the check to be sent where ever you'd like. I have them send it in the stealth name & use different addresses. Amazon always drags the process out, but so far they've agreed to send 3 checks to the address I've requested. The other accounts are all in some stage of the process.

So are they just running with the money or they will send you a check?

teufle 10-03-2011 05:08 AM

I haven't recieved anything yet, they said it take up to a month. But from what I can tell they want nothing to do with the bbb, if I dont get them in a month I can always reopen the case

snowserpent 10-03-2011 09:31 PM

I just filed w/ the BBB too in exact same situation. I saw that teufle said you can have them send the check to another address if you reject their resolution but my question is if you opened the stealth account with a name completely different than your real name, are you still able to deposit the check if its not in your real name? I know people can sign checks over to somebody else if its in their name but if the name is completely bogus what are the options here in this situation?

Here We Go Again 10-04-2011 12:08 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^^
It turns into a 3rd party check after the name on the check is signed on the back.

rsot 10-04-2011 10:53 AM

HWGA - have you received any of your outstanding balances in the form of these checks?

MichaelW 10-06-2011 01:06 PM

Ama Zon kiiling me :(
 
Another one of my account went down yesterday :(

This account have no A-Z claim or charge back. It was in good performance.

I open this account with webstore service and it auto disbursement every two weeks (not letting me doing it manually) and yesterday is the day that scheduled to disbursement day and I'm dying waiting for this money (almost 5K)

After work, when I get home the first thing I always doing is check my account. And I'm socked to dead :( won let me log in

Contact customer support as dumb and they collect information and said get back to me in 24 hours as they always do.

I then send email to Seller-Performance, Merchant-Disbursement-Inquiry, Payments-Funds, and Resolution ask about my account status and what happen?

Around 9PM I got an email from Seller-Notification that Deposit on the way to my bank. I don't know why and wish for the best.

This Morning I got two email from them:
- 1 from Seller Support said that they don't know what happen
- 1 from Merchant-Disbursement-Inquiry.
In this email they said my account is done :( and they reserving the fund and held it for 90 days for any claim, charge back. On the bottom of the email they state they are Payment Specialist.

I'm feeling stupid now. What happen if I not send them the email yesterday? Will my disbursement go through the process or still got reserve as they always do?

Thank you for reading. I just want to share what happen to me with everyone here. At least this time they told me to wait 90 days.

shoot2kill 10-06-2011 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelW (Post 275560)
Another one of my account went down yesterday :(

This account have no A-Z claim or charge back. It was in good performance.

I open this account with webstore service and it auto disbursement every two weeks (not letting me doing it manually) and yesterday is the day that scheduled to disbursement day and I'm dying waiting for this money (almost 5K)

After work, when I get home the first thing I always doing is check my account. And I'm socked to dead :( won let me log in

Contact customer support as dumb and they collect information and said get back to me in 24 hours as they always do.

I then send email to Seller-Performance, Merchant-Disbursement-Inquiry, Payments-Funds, and Resolution ask about my account status and what happen?

Around 9PM I got an email from Seller-Notification that Deposit on the way to my bank. I don't know why and wish for the best.

This Morning I got two email from them:
- 1 from Seller Support said that they don't know what happen
- 1 from Merchant-Disbursement-Inquiry.
In this email they said my account is done :( and they reserving the fund and held it for 90 days for any claim, charge back. On the bottom of the email they state they are Payment Specialist.

I'm feeling stupid now. What happen if I not send them the email yesterday? Will my disbursement go through the process or still got reserve as they always do?

Thank you for reading. I just want to share what happen to me with everyone here. At least this time they told me to wait 90 days.

Mi rass 5k wtf! We need to talk :D! Regardless of whether you sent the email or not the funds would have been reversed. I got the email so many times and then 2 days later account get suspended or closed. The money didn't show in my bank account! If it does you lucky dog you!:pop2:

Burning 10-08-2011 12:54 AM

Your not the only one with this issue. I tried logging into my account late at night - but was unable to get into the platform....

GreenBean 10-08-2011 01:05 AM

At what point is anyone going to pinpoint wtf this is happening :spy:

shoot2kill 10-08-2011 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreenBean™ (Post 276029)
At what point is anyone going to pinpoint wtf this is happening :spy:

There so many issues on why it happens. I have tried so may tactics and then BAM my account gets closed.

Burning 10-08-2011 01:29 AM

Amazon clearly knows whats going on - it's even occurring to the 'non-stealth' sellers as well. There banning people left and right - trying to avoid people from using the turn n' burn method.


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